“I think he’ll flourish,” said Mike Krzyzewski, who coached Duhon for four years at Duke. “My feeling is he’ll be one of the leaders in the league in assists in Mike’s system. That will make everybody better.”
“I think he’s the kind of guy that the New York Knicks always had,” Walsh said. “A guy that just goes out, plays hard, fits in with the team, has a role to play, will defend. Those are the kind of players we’d like to see on this team.”
So Donnie, care to elaborate as to which players you’d like to see leave this team?
I don’t know about you, but to lead the league in assists implies to me that you are a starting point guard.
Read the full Howard Beck written, New York Times article here.
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according to sports illustrated, walsh just turned down a deal the clippers offered for zach randolph. all the knicks were going to get was cap relief, and apparently that was not enough for mr. walsh to give up zbo.
I think the Knicks were right in not giving Zach away. Although we suck and everyone on our team sucks – Zach is technically our best player. You absolutely cannot give your best player away just because everyone knows our strategy is to get Lebron in 2010.
Smart move. If they really want Zach, they can give us next years protected first round pick and a throw in
Tru da PC
I don’t think we should just give him away.We need players.Zach is a player…well not on the defensive side,but a player.
@KnicksD
Is there an article on that Zach propose trade you can share?
Also,I’m excited for the Knicks and Duhon.He does have a lot of mouths to feed and should get 7-11 assist a game.
KnicksD,
I<A HREF=” http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/07/11/randolph.clippers/index.html“found it,the deal for Randolph that was rejected by the Knicks
The Article on Randolph to LAC
Knicks unwilling to trade Randolph to Clippers in salary dump
The Knicks have rejected a proposal from the Clippers to trade power forward Zach Randolph, league sources told SI.com.
Terms of any proposal were not known, but the Clippers have enough salary-cap space to accept Randolph’s contract without having to give the Knicks equal salaries in return. The Clippers, seeking to replace the departed Elton Brand, were trying to take Randolph off the Knicks’ hands while offering little more than cap relief to New York, the sources said. Randolph will make $14.7 million next season, and he has three years and $48 million left on his contract.
While the Knicks are known to be interested in clearing cap space by 2010 to make a run at LeBron James or other potential free agents, the sources said New York wanted more than simple cap relief in exchange for Randolph. The Knicks appear to believe that Randolph will provide a highly productive season under new coach Mike D’Antoni, which could raise his value much higher than it is today. That’s why the Knicks were not interested in nearly giving away Randolph’s contract, according to the sources…SI.COM
Like I said on every blog before. Just to trade a big contract for the sak of trading it is stupid. And in a way such a move puts 2010 on a pedestal above that of common sense moves that the organzation will need to make to transition itself into a viable market for th overlylauded 2010 free agent class.
Again to that end all the hullabaloo about tradig Z-Bo b/c of his contract on Lee b/c he will cost too much to resign better yield some servicable replacement players at the 4 spot Those replacements whether had at the time of the trade or in a subsequent trade better board at least as well as those two players. Becuase if we don’t the Knicks will have an engine for [D]‘anotni’s offense but it will not have the spark plugs that secure the rebounds that produce the overly discussed fast break!
I’m glad they didn’t ditch Zach for merely a 2nd rounder! I understand the need to part ways w/ him but who in their right mind gets rid of a 20-10 guy for a 2nd rounder ? The other problem is what is left on the Clips now that is worth getting ? Mobley ? pass. Thomas ? no 2nd run for a guy who shows up only in a contract year. I’d take Gordon but we all know that aint happenin’. I’m hoping Walsh might be able to include another team and maybe expand this trade. Worst comes to worst, we at least have to get a 1st rounder for 2010 out of any deal IMO.
O&B, John Q I agree with you two gentlemen, Walsh should certainly look to get more
from the clips or any other team for Zach. If the deal was accepted we would end up starting Lee @ the 4
who(with all his hustle and energy) does not shot well enough and lacks the ability to effectively guard many 4 men. We should get something back even if it’s to fill another gap on the team ie shooting, shotblocking, a lockdown perimeter defender or a future 1st round pick (since we may not have next years and will definitely not have one in 2010)
then how does this sound to you guys?
Walsh may be holding out for Eric Gordon”.
if that ever went down, I’d imagine Jamal could be shopped heavily.
Just bloggin’
Good PM Defender!
I hope all of you are having a Marvelous Saturday. Must of you know I am a true advocate for individuals to express their honest opinions and I also believe we should be able to disagree without becoming disagreeable.
But the chatter I have been reading on the blogosphere concerning ZBO and the possible trade scenarios have been hilarious. First and foremost, ZBO is one of the few true 20-10 players. You don’t give away that type of player for a second round pick or for Cap Relief for a 2010 Pipe Dream(The future is a mystery, the past is History, the only true gift is the PRESENT, this MOMENT). Secondly, the offensive scheme run by our new coach is based on a wide open run and gun style spread offense that is suited to ZBO’S game because of two factors. You can’t run without the ball, so his rebounding is key and he can hit the open jumper,can take most 4′s off the dribble, and we also know he can pass when he wants too. Now and if you move him for nothing, is DLEE our man? Not in the spread offense, because his does possess the prerequisite offensive skills like Passing, a Jump shot, or off-the driblles moves, plus he plays no D. He is not suited for this system. We need a back-up defensive minded Big and another quality PG with a bit of size who’s skill set is more offensively oriented and we’ll be straight.
To Dump ZBO or Curry is a foolish move at this juncture. IT’S system was not suited fot he two bigs to play together. D’Antoni’s scheme is suited for the bigs. The only person you discard at this juncture is Marbury. He is a Poison Pill in the Locker Room. And, before you get rid him, we need to to evaluate if he is ready to be the PG he can be and play selflessly to get that last payday. THE ONLY PLAYERS OUT SHOULD BE JJEAT ALOT, FJONES, RMORRIS, AND MCOLLIN…I AIN’T JUST BLOGGING
ONE LOVE DEFNDERS!
Keep it POPPIN!
Cooleyhigh
Always imitated never duplicated the originator One Love My Brother!
Seems like Saipan, Dlt, you and I are in consensus that common sense must guide any trade transactions or talks about either Lee or Randolph.
Common sense says we need rebounders as much as we need leadership from the point so to let go of Z-Bo or Lee for bag of chips is Frank Asswhola type garbage!
Keep it Poppin (Should have ™’d that Cooley!)
keep it poppin was cooelyhigh’s innovation
just bloggin’ was senior steady’s as far as i’m concerned.
lee may suck at defense or sticking a 15foot jumper, but he is actually a very good passer. you just don’t see it that often because lee is not an offensive threat, so he does not command a double team, the best opportunity to make a great pass.
zbo totals more assists because he has many opportunities to pass due to the fact that the defense is always doubling him.
zbo has great range, but his reputation from portland was that if you give him the ball, you would never get it back. last season with the knicks he only reinforced that reputation.
zach has the ability to pass, but once he gets the ball, he puts his blinders on. without surveying the situation of his four teammates, he is convinced the best option is for him to shoot it. that’s not team basketball.
both zbo and lee play hard, can follow up missed shots, they both can get offensive rebounds, but i agree under d’antoni’s system zbo is probably more valueable.
doesn’t mean zach was a good knick last year or that he should be a knick long term.
his stock is down and it makes sense to hold onto him for now.
i remember his attitude in the games though, when he mouthed off to isiah during the game with both his arms up in the air, when he and nate threw stuff at each other during a time out.
you can’t say 17 and 10 and automatically deduce he’s good for your team.
zach randolph does not play defense. during some months last season, it might have taken zach about three games to get a block or a steal. he does not jump high enough, isn’t long enough to alter shots down low.
zach randolph is a freelance scorer, just like jamal crawford, another poor defender.
we need to get the team players in here, and then we can compete.
Defenders,
Looking at this Clipper roster:
2008-09 Roster
NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
Baron Davis G 6-3 215 04/13/1979 UCLA 9
40 Paul Davis (FA) C 6-11 270 07/21/1984 Michigan State 2
10 Dan Dickau (FA) G 6-0 180 09/16/1978 Gonzaga 6
20 Nick Fazekas (FA) F 6-11 235 06/17/1985 Nevada-Reno 1
23 Eric Gordon G 6-4 215 12/25/1988 Indiana R
DeAndre Jordan ** C 7-0 260 07/21/1988 Texas A&M R
35 Chris Kaman C 7-0 265 04/28/1982 Central Michigan 5
22 Brevin Knight G 5-10 170 11/08/1975 Stanford 11
14 Shaun Livingston (FA) G 6-7 182 09/11/1985 Peoria Central HS (IL) 3
5 Cuttino Mobley G 6-4 215 09/01/1975 Rhode Island 10
1 Smush Parker (FA) G 6-4 190 06/01/1981 Fordham 5
21 Josh Powell C-F 6-9 240 01/25/1983 North Carolina State 3
13 Quinton Ross (FA) G-F 6-6 193 04/30/1981 Southern Methodist 4
Mike Taylor G 6-2 165 01/21/1986 Iowa State R
2 Tim Thomas F 6-10 240 02/26/1977 Villanova 11
12 Al Thornton F 6-8 220 12/07/1983 Florida State 1
3 Marcus Williams (FA) F 6-7 207 11/18/1986 Arizona 1
Who would you want in return for Randolph?
They badly need Zach………
Give us the expiring contracts and a 2010 first round pick,or take JJames too.
“Dickau to the trim………….IT’S GOOD”…….can’t wait.
DLT Knicks: i hear they’re (the clips) looking at making an offer to charlotte’s emeka okafor, but since he’s a restricted FA, MJ can match anything LA will throw at the defensive specialist. why don’t they like thornton, why do they want to bring in zach so bad? i guess they see thornton more as a 3.
d’antoni excited about what he is seeing from gallinari and chandler:
(most of the article is about Q however)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/sports/basketball/13knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball&oref=slogin
whoever this guy is he isn’t happy about the knicks keeping zach
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/37038-the-new-york-knicks-are-a-poison-i-would-not-wish-upon-my-worst-enemy
KnicksD
The Bleacher creature reports appears to be a third rate operation. Either you or I or any of the fine Defenders or Fanatics Bloggers can do better than that. He poses more rhetorical questions than actually doing any analysis of why at all Walsh chose not to merely do a knee jerk reaction trade.
Donny appears to be playing chicken with what I believe to be the following logic. Zach has trade value, and even in the worse case scenario and under incredible time pressur to remove him from the roster before 2010 Zach should at the very least be worthy of a salary dump trade ala the Clippers proposal. But seeing that more comprehensive trade packages were sent to the Knicks by teams like the bulls, Bucks, Nuggets Walsh has figured that he might be able to up the anti. Walsh might alos be considering that Zach’s numbers and play may be rehabilitated under D’antoni, which will open up trade proposals later in the season from teams thinking Zach might put them over the edge if they are on the cusp of the playoffs or a potential playoff team looking to address a team weakeness. To that end for Walsh it is to early in the game to trade Zach for a bag of beans that might happen later if nothing more persuasive is presented. But for now Zach might net more for the team with some PT a sell job (heard that NYMSM) and some measured patience.
O&B: they will actually publish anything any fans send into the bleacher report. but there is one knick fan out there that feels the way that guy did so figured i would mention it as more our our diversity.
here is a preview for the knicks summer team:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/summerleaguepreview2008.html
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/scoreboard.jsp
I am glad that Donnie W did not panic and go for the clips paltry offer
the GM (still Elgin right) must have assumed that Donnie W was smokin some of Bill Walton’s brew
I like the fact the Walsh is showing value in his players,especially a 20-10 guy.Can’t just give him away.The days of the Knicks making bad trades are over.RESPECT US!!!!……..I agree with Walsh,even if it means keeping that big contract.
Whasssup Defenders!
Glad to see the Faithful among US still weighing in and dropping some NY Knick Fanship and Flava on the Undisputed No #1 Fan Thread in the Nation. Props to KD for keeping KNICK HOPE ALIVE…Keep it rolling KD! I’ve got MAD respect for you.
As you may have noticed, many of the FORCE MD’S are on sabbatical. Steady, Harlem, My Straight up Homie Bronx, Modi, and our ADOPTED BRUDDER LIVES are a serious group of MEN, with Big Time occupations, off the charts acumen in a variety of endeavors, with varied interest and gifts and hobbies, and these Men of Distinction are very serious about having the greatest impact on Humankind.
The common thread that brought us together was our LOVE for OUR NY Knicks…What keeps US together presently is the mutual respect and esteem we have for each other, and our fellowship continues to reach new boundaries, and I am confident in the very near future this group will collaborate to make a difference in this world and expand our respective resources. I’ve said all of that to say, these Brudders are the Greatest and Purest of Knick Fans IMHO and believe me they are still tuned in, reading your post and hoping like hell that our NEW YORK KNICKS are turning the proverbial corner; and I’m certain they will make guest appearances on this THREAD and share their unique brand of KNICK LOVE with us real soon.
On that note, I hope this regime continues to exercise great patience and use good judgement in expanding the BBALL Bandwidth of our TEAM and add one or two more pieces that add a defensive presence and more athleticism to our new up tempo brand of BBALL this season. I am a fervent believer we are not that far away from a return to glory….
Have a great Sunday Defenders!
ONE LOVE!
Keep it POPPIN
The Clipper GM has to be commended for trying to steal Z-Bo for absolutely nothing.To be honest I would try to boost his trade value if it was possible.Now E.Shitty on the other hand,give me a pack of Newports and he’s yours!! If the Clipper GM needed Curry that bad Walsh would’ve shot him out of a cannon to LA.HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cooley:
Count me in but also on sabbatical leave until training camp.
Keep the faith poppin Cooley and know that I still revere your stuff
and this site as one of my first hits on my daily Knick news/blog list.
Much admiration to you KD and O & B. Looking forward to watching
the team in summer league play. KFFL and LGK
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32151-2008-2009-knicks-the-circus-is-leaving-town
Possibly more optimistic
Good to read you Post-up Prince.
I also look foward to reading you on the blogosphere come the regular season.
In the meantime, KnickD and the rest of the bloggers here and at Knicksfanatics will keep the torch lit.
KnicksD
Do you know if they will replay the summer league game today?
Me and many a Knick fan will be trapped in the 9-5 drudgery… please fill us in.
big shout out to some of the original gangsters who have check in recently, glad to read you indeed:
George M.
saipanknickster
PC
DLT Knicks
Orange and Blue–the ambassador
CooleyHigh–lifting us up on sunday, thank you brother
Post-up Prince–whats good Post-up? Been a while!
And also to some of the new cats, Knicks Realist and Jackie J.
Welcome back, or welcome, as it were.
Looking forward to seeing this summer squad get down in a few, for those that don’t have MSG or are at work until afterwards, check this out (you have to register for NBA broadband, but I think it is free):
http://www.nba.com/summerleague2008/scoreboard.jsp?date=07/13/2008
these are yesterday’s games, but if you click “recap” it brings up a video new browser, and you can, for example, right now watch the entire Memphis game yesterday featuring Mr. OJ Mayo. He put up some solid numbers yesterday, what was it 26? They don’t have commentators to go along with the video footage, but sometimes I prefer it that way.
O&B: according to the box schedule, MSG network will also be replaying the Knicks summer league game at 8pm.
@Post-Up Prince,
One of My Favorite Hot Boyz! All of the Force MD’S have MADD respect for your game and Dig your Flow Fellow Defender. Glad to see you peeked through the back door and great to know you are still committed with it…
We’ve got to get you down to the capital city so you can swing with the Brudders some call Big Chips…We be rolling on Cruise Control and the flow be A+, cause everybody Got Game…Plus, for US, it is all about keeping it REAL. Post-Up-Prince, as long as your eternal KNICK FLAME is lit, We’re ALL GOOD!
Have a great week my Brudder Defender! I exend that same Prayer/Wish to all of my Fellow Defenders……………………………
ONE LOVE
Keep it POPPIN!
Thanks for the Kind words KnicksD
Also thanks for the info, I’ll be sure to catch the rewind. Those of you who can catch the game fill me in on what your seeing. Give me an assessment on the rook and the system.
Here’s a bit I wrote on the Fix.
Alot of the players were either so terribly utilized or under underutilized. Last year the offense was either a muddled sumo match between wheather Z-Bo or Curry would initiate the offense from the post, and when teams bogged down, there was no motion to free up a shooter. Then by the time the 24 second clock ran down the team creatively replayed the Jamal Crawford and 1 mix tape tour.
This year sounds good so far, motion offense, every one getting touches, no muddled down offense, and a kid who recognizes the importance of getting his teamates touches.
I think in an era were many in the Atlantic division are copying the power tandem that the Celtics presented with Garnett and Perkins- Sixers, Toronto, even the Nets with their big Rookie and 4s already on the roster- the Knicks brass might be seeing the rising of the crest and might be adopting an approach that challenges that pace and tempo. Should make for exciting basketball, and remember when the powers of the east fade, the Knicks should be under the cap- assuming that to be true- to deezo up and clean house.
I can see a very innovative calculated gamble going on in the near distant horizon!
First off, it was Thomas who made the mistake of trading for Curry and Marbury. Second, if you can’t trade Marbury because no one wants him. And after this year Marbury’s contract comes off the books. Look Thomas built a bad team, now Donnie has to fix the mess. I not sure he can because he screwed up the Pacers when he was there. Anyway, back to my point, after this year when Marbury’s contract comes off the books the Knicks will be able to get a quality player. Right now trading him would only get another large contract. Keep Marbury and in 2010, you’ll have all kinds of money. Your boy Thomas Screwed things up and now we must re-build with Lee, Balkman etc. I can’t get over how you still defend Thomas. Thomas is a bad gm and a terrible coach.
The way I feel you have two options with Marbury. Tell him to leave (and continue to pay him )or let him know that this is the final year of his contract and if he wants to play in the NBA again, he must have a great season.
robitussin hitting the first two for the knicks as the pg.
chandler and gallinari both overplaying on d.
gallinari has two fouls, but you can’t foul out summer league.
chandler looks good. hit his first outside shot and picks up the block.
chandler’s hops look unaffected by the knee injury.
mardy is not looking good so far.
tracktor traylor is on the cavs team.
he basically jacked up tmac’s back in the late 90′s.
fat boy brendan suhr sitting right next to d’antoni in the crowd, looks like he is still with the knicks just like isiah.
nate is not playing.
jamal said that curry hasn’t shown up yet for the voluntary camp. sound familiar? curry didnt’ show last year when zach was new.
jj hickson looks lively for the cavs
i don’t know why, but they are doubling gallinari, he hasn’t been a factor yet this game.
jamal said he’s working on his core instead of bulking up. he’s at 200 right now instead of 207 from last season.
clyde keeps calling gallinari out on his “weak defense..” at least gallinari is making good passes.
renaldo is playing good d, but looks very expendable out there the way chandler is ballin’
robitussin looks a solid, if not undersized two guard.
nate will be with the team on wednesday.
mardy hit a three point play before half time.
KD thanks for the shout-out… much respect
I too like O&B am looking to catch the 8 pm re-broadcast
gallinari is bringing the ball up very often.
he is finally scoring the basketball in the second half after not much in the first.
had a nice drive to the basket he reminds me of a taller manu ginobili.
gallinari has a fighter’s spirit.
watching chandler and gallinari both find their shot in the fourth quarter is encouraging.
our defense is as bad as you’d think.
robitussin (deliberately misspelled for comedic purposes) has about 20 points in the game.
renaldo taking it to the basket but looks goofy compared to the smoothness of Chandler.
saipanknickster–hope i’m not ruining it for you homie
mike dunleavy the coach is in the crowd, wonder if he’s eyeballin some of our knicks in another attempt to acquire zbo.
robitussin looks like starks out there with the perimeter shooting from a shorter guard.
KD
you are not ruining it at all
It is good get a report of the game flow as it’s happening, but when I look
the game I will be actually envisoning how players can be used , looking for improvement etc.
and in Gallo’s case just to see how the newbie puts it down
Thanks for real, cause truth be told I was wondering how it was going anyway
KD thanks once more for the time invested big props to you
I am about to bounce from the office, so I can get settled comfortably in to catch the later showing
stephon sounds like he knows he may get moved.
“it doesn’t matter where I’m playing, as long as I’m on the court, playing.”
Chandler looks healed, Gallinari looks like he’s still getting used to life after Euroball, and the knicks got the W. Roberson looks like a keeper. a 6’2″ shooting guard out of UF. he probably knows d lee.
saipanknickster
no problem, enjoy the replay. if you’re checking out gallinari, the second half is much more promising than the first.
but chandler and roberson were great the whole game. nate will be with the team on wednesday so we’ll see how that effects the 7-second offense…
Hmmm.
Early reviews…………….
First the kid(Gallo).I like his stoke and hustle.He is the type of player that can keep the defense honest when dumping down low to EC or Zach.Worry about his defense,but that shot may make up for that……….B+
Wilson, played great,confident, good shot selection and defensively he blocked some shots.Good first game off a major injury………….A+
Balkman,still hasn’t found his shot yet and it will be hard for D’Antoni to find mintues for him if he can’t even shoot free throws about 60%,but he still has great hustle and energy……………………………………………..C+
Collins,still does not make good decisions with the ball as a point guard should. He did play good today and looked to be in good shape.He did have the fire at the end of the game to take it to the basket.This is his 3rd year,Duhon is in his 4th. If he would show potential we would not need Duhon
But, he had a good day………………………………………………B+
Best of the rest…………………
I’ve seen Von Wafer play better,was not in the flow today,only had 2 shots and some free throws.Let’s see the next game,he needs to get in the game flow better.I know he can score………………………………………C
B.Hunter,did not score but 2 points,but I think we could use a banger like him inside the paint.He did have 6 rebounds and a powerful presence on the floor.He could have a role on this team(see Anthony Mason)……………………………………………………………………..B
A.Roberson, was great,probably the MVP for the Knicks today.Good stoke, good decision making. He has a great handle too.I hope the Knicks can find a spot on the roster for him………………………………………………A
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