The Game within the Game
April 10, 2008 – 12:15 amby Walt “Clyde” Frazier
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KEYS TO SUCCESS
1. SETTING GOALS
2. CONFIDENCE
3. UTILIZATION OF TIME
4. MOTIVATION
5. WORK ETHIC
6. COMMUNICATION
7. TEAMWORK
8. LUCK
9. WORSHIP
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Bloomberg
April 10, 2008 — Cablevision Systems reported 2007 compensation of $23.9 million for Chief Executive Officer Jimmy Dolan and $15.4 million for Chairman Chuck Dolan.
The amounts, which include stock and option grants from previous years, increased from 2006, according to a regulatory filing. Jimmy Dolan’s base salary increased to $1.8 million from $1.6 million a year earlier.
By Noman on Apr 10, 2008
Here is my response to your post # 18 in the previous thread.
“O&B. your example of chicago failed to mention that scott skiles got fired in december despite having a better record than Isiah thomas’ knicks. isiah is still the coach to this day, and he didn’t get to the second round of the playoffs in the preceding year.”
I pointed out in my comment the much better recent history of success that Chicago has had over the Knick franchise. Please don’t misconstrue my statements.
From my post # 13
Lastly you should note that the Knicks are not the only team that have been torn apart by internal division resulting from bruised egos, and a wholesale player abandoment of the coach by the players. Chicago despite a string of yearly success also experienced the effect of bruised egos (ala the Mebury episode in Phoenix) with the hurt egos suffered by Duhon, Gordon et al when Kobe’s name was bandied about in a manner that slighted those players as second class rethreads. Also the awoling of the team on Scott Skiles compounded that internal division and a former playoff team took several steps back.
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O&B. Nobody is asking you to pick sides except your “fellowship.”
The following statement by you at post # 16 appears to imply that choosing one blog over another could invite a conflict of interest, and may direct the exiting or visiting blogger to emulate the decisions of exiled bloggers.
“Vic Corbit
barf and african chose to leave for good, and peaceman and statesman were both permanently banned from knicksdefense. As a result, they started their own site, you can look for the link on hahn’s blog if you wish to follow their lead, as some here have chosen to do. it is for the best, there is clearly a conflict of interest.”
My response at post # 17
Choosing to post at one site or another doesn’t necessarily result in a conflict of interest.
It’s not like one of those you’re with us or against us scenarios.
If you would like to keep in touch with the displaced bloggers do so.
If not that’s ok also. Just be true to yourself
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O&B. “rush to change?” after four years as gm? after two full years as coach and less than a 30% winning record?
Again you are misconstruing the general thrust of that post @ #13.
It actually reads in the following manner:
“Isiah hasn’t been fired yet.
If he is. Oh well. I’ll continue being a Knick fan.
If he stays and his talents are constructively utilized. I’ll still be a Knicks’ fan.
The point for me is that there not be a rush to judgment and wholesale changes for the sake of making wholesale changes.
There is a talent base in this organization. No doubt alot of redundancy also. But many of the players Isiah picked will either stay on and make a contribution to the team.
Sure there is a lack of a bonafide two way star but considering where the Knicks’ have played in the draft, they have solid players generally.
Too blow it up just to give the impression of change isn’t a good move either. To that end you’ll notice how the broadcasters point to Walsh’s measured patient approach. And that he is going to cross his Ps and Qs before making any move.”
Now no doubt there is a vast difference of opinion between our two points of view as to Isiah’s future. While your positions is a staunch he must go at all cost and not be placed in any position of influence in the organization, (If I am reading your post correctly), while my point is that while there is no doubt that the Knicks record over the course of the Isiah regime, and especially the supbar performance of this year should not warrant an Isiah redux at the helm of the organization and neither as coach, Thomas still possesses talents which can be constructively utilized in the organization and that as a result he may still find a place in the organization where his talents can be utilized and his short comings can be better neutralized.
That is of course my opinion but a good talent evaluator and solid drafter can be very helpful, especially in a transitional phase in which the Knicks will look to let bigger contracts expire and retain players at a budget price. That scenario flows with getting younger talented players with upside in the draft who will be motivated to increase their stock for contract negotiations, and who will come at a bargain initially b/c draft picks earnings are capped.
That is my point and I believe it is logical. No doubt it’s not flawless but there is reason to my opinion.
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O&B. clearing payroll could have been accomplished by any CPA that doesn’t know jack schitt about basketball, as gm your responsibility is you have to clear payroll and attempt to be competitive, the knicks have not been competitive in a long time, and the cap space problem is only marginally better than it was at layden’s time of departure.
KnicksD
There is a topic which I could have better elaborated on during post # 13
But here is that paragraph in its entirety and I hope you will notice with objective eyes that I was even acknowledging the reason why many a fan, including I, would have and do have misgivings over the Isiah Thomas regime.
“I sort of understand some of your frustration because the beginning of the Isiah regime was marked by alot fo flash and sweeping changes. People were let go w/o having the opportunity to plead their case or at least get the news from the horses mouth, and a series of player shuffles which has invited long and expensive conracts was also par for the course. But do remember that the Knicks have cleared some of their excessive pay roll and if they stand pat they will clear more. ”
You stated the following @ post # 18
“[C]learing payroll could have been accomplished by any CPA that doesn’t know jack schitt about basketball,as gm your responsibility is you have to clear payroll and attempt to be competitive.”
I believe that argument is understating the value for dollar assessment a GM must undertake in deciding whether to let contracts expire, acquire contracts via trade, or fail to resign players.
The greater context is that New York for quite long long duration of time which encompassed the Scott Layden era and the Isiah Thomas era was sold on the concept tht ‘ONE CANNOT REBUILD IN NY AND THAT THE KNICKS HAD TO RETOOL.’ So over a course of time during the two aforementioned regimes Knicksfans were encouraged to think that a retooling of the team was possible but that such retooling would/and could compromise cap flexibiltiy. Heck even MODI wrote an article about how the Organization’s deep pockets could offset the salary cap liabilities that would have to be paid out for acquiring players over the cap.
That formula has at this juncture not succeeded, and now the current Exec of Basketball operations, and the Garden are acknowledging that the team will have to rebuild. But although the Knicks are a losing franchise, they are at this juncture not a team with older rethreads, as in the Scott Layden regime, there is currently a corp of talented young players who could compliment a championship calibur team in the years to come. And while the Knicks are still in salary cap hell many of the cotracts on the books will be coming off within the next one to three years.
Even Isiah recognized that retooling wasn’t possible, I’ll have to find the qoute and cite it, but at this juncture having a person sell you water when your thirsty who you previously bought a flat tire from is not goign to sit well with any fan base. Ala the emergence of Donnie Walsh, whom I hope all Knick fans can call Donny W one day.
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Please don’t anyone come on here trying to recruit people away from this site. If you want to blog with the Nazis, that’s fine. but try to show some class. don’t come on here with the smugness talking about “good luck to you,” “good night to you,” and then turn around and do otherwise on here, and say otherwise on other blogs.
Again if DLT, Vicbit, Steady, the remaining Force MD’s, Paulnoize, JohnQ, FollyMach, MinnKnickFan, SaipanKnickster, and all whom I’ve failed to mention choose another forum. They are free to do so. They are also free to call KnicksDefense their blog home. I have no opinion one way or another and I will not make a value judgment on people for choosing to blog at your house or at any other locale.
“Smugness”
You are misunderstand me. I thank you for the time you’ve allowed me to blog, and for the obviously strong commitment to building your bloghome, and making it accessible to former blog fugees such as myself.
I am not a vindictive individual, and there is no purposed served in whishing for another person to fail, and even worse to celebrate anothers decline (mind you that I am not declaring your decline). I sincerely whish you well b/c of the aformentioned reasons stated in the above paragraph. We have different views on the Knicks at this juncture that is all. But I won’t impose mine on you and figure that you will not do that either.
However, the term Nazis is quite excessive. There is facism, which encapsulates and either or approach to differences, and designates as an enemy those with different views. Nazism was at the extreme b/c it took on a racial component which many historians and social scientist will say was the illogically logical conclusion of western imperialism.
Let’s not overstate our differences going foward.
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The people that can think for themselves are the only people I care to associate with, O&B.
Then the question is the following. Do I fail to think for myself b/c I disagree with your point of view? I think not. Knicksdefense is still a forum where differences can be debated rationally and persuasively? Yes? If so then where I am stood corrected I will acknowledge it. Where my argument’s validity is recognized… well that’s ok also.
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I’ll leave you with this final thought for the night O&B, and you can appreciate it or ignore it or go talk shit about me on hahn’s blog again, whatever.
much has been written here since October on not accepting the mainstream media’s presentation of the new york knicks under isiah thomas, right?
so then the general question becomes, if you’re in a room full of people who are in total agreement in their opinion, does it necessarily make that opinion true?
Perhaps you already know the answer to that question. You’ll find for some, it depends on how much they wish to fit in with that group, yet others will think for themselves and come to their own conclusions despite what said room full of people considers to be true.
The answer is that no opinion is true, especially when an opinion is based on speculations over facts which the opinionator is not correctly aprised of or about.
So to that end you have your ops I have mine, the point shouldn’t be about whose right or wrong, b/c the points are about opinions after all, its about your and mine ability to put forth our opinions pursuasively and respect and acknowledge the logic of the other party’s opinion when put forth pursuasively.
Again I whish you God Speed.
By Orange and Blue on Apr 10, 2008
KD, I appreciate this forum, your insights, your passion and letting scrubs like me let their essence flow. I disagree with your assessment that Thomas is taking parting shots. He in my opinion is stating facts. I was in elementary school when My Heroes won championships in 70 and 73. When you talk about great NBA teams, those Knickerbocker teams are mentioned. Not 1 Knick team of the 90’s is mentioned when great teams are talked about. Our teams of the 90’s were an over-achieving group of blue collar workers other than King Patrick. We messed up when we traded Action Jackson and Rod Strickland at the point. We settled for an aging Doc Rivers and Derrick Harper who also was at the end of a nice career. I hold no animosity toward Zeke. His reign in Gotham is coming to an end. He has left the franchise in better shape than he received it. We are 2 years from being players in free agency. Something we talked about here at length back in August. All of a sudden with Walsh taking over, he has this master plan to have our Heroes in position to players in the free market in 2010. Rubbish. KD you of all people should see through the MSM venom. As for asking where is everyone, I wasn’t referring to former and exiled bloggers. I was asking for the usual suspects. KD ego based answers casue friction within the ranks. Essence based answers, opinons and facimilies there of will get you much farther ahead. I don’t know your age but judging by your recent tirades you don’t remembers the real Knick glory days. That said, I can understand your distain for Thomas’ comments. Keep essence in your passion and opinions KD. You lead this blog and a word of advice, keep it real. OB, my man, keep it poppin!!!! Holla at your boy. I hope you stay around my brother. Peace.
By Vic Corbit on Apr 10, 2008
It amazes me the lengths that people will go to to defend Thomas. Thomas has done as bad as any other GM we’ve had here ie Scott Layden, David DeBusschere. People have been saying that Thomas had injuries this year. We forget that that during Layden’s tenure, Antonio Antonio McDice was injured. Had he been healthy, who knows was injured when he was here, if your into making excuses about injuries then Layden can be excused too. But I said it then and I’ll say it now, you can use injuries as an excuse.
The rockets lost their all Star centers Yao, yet they’re playing great basketball. Why are the Rockets playing so well? Its called having a great coach. Thomas also failed as a coach.
And don’t say I’m biased. If you remember back when Brown was fired, on Knicksnation, I was one of those saying that they should give Thomas a chance. He got a chance and failed.
And not only is he a bad gm and coach, but he abused an employee to the extent that it cost MSG millions. Thomas is a failure as a coach, GM and is a dirt bag as a person for the way he treated Sanders.
By edward drossman on Apr 10, 2008
Vicbit
A Holla back!
I intend to stick around. I have no personal animosity. Items of that nature are not good for anyone’s health. KD did well give blogfugees a place to stay. To each their own with who we scroll with. I still have much love for the vast remainder of the KnicksDefense family.
I will note that the reported statement by Thomas, assuming it is true of course, that the Knicks’s fans have nothing to be proud of since the 73 can be taken as a slight depending on how well you recieved the Knicks of the 90s. But it can also be taken as a statement regarding things for which one might percieve fan pride to be based on- I believe Thomas was alluding to championships.
As I stated before pride is a fools concept when it becomes a fixation over slight degrees of success or status over another. Dignity is a word I prefer all to carry themselves with. To that end I do believe the Knicks of the 90s carried themselves with more dignity than the current batch. Did they leave a high mark level of success for fans to poin to with pride about. Perhaps not. But is there grace and diginity and self respect as to how hard they played and how hard they strived. Surely that is the case.
So if one is upset by Thomas comment I could surely understand it, especially when considering the Eunuchs and stiffs of the Scott Layden years, and the spoiled babies and head cases of the Thomas era.
Hope this place keeps steady.
Peace out Vicbit!
By Orange and Blue on Apr 10, 2008
Mr. Drossman, nobody here is defend Mr. Thomas’ tenure or comments. The facts are the facts. You on the other hand have and rightfully so a dislike for him. You bring up Ms. Sanders as if you were there. I wasn’t so I can’t say what or care to take sides. Ms. Sanders won the case, Mr. Dolan shelled out more millions and added to the mess at hand. Remember this Mr. Drossman, in 3 years when our Knickerbockers are in the NBA finals with players from this current regime, who will get the credit? Ask Billy King how does it feel to watch what you built blossom after getting the axe? Mr. Stephanski is sitting pretty. I know Mr. Walsh will reap the benefits of what Mr. Thomas laid out. This of course getting rid of the rubbish, Big Snax, Malik, Q, Fred Jones, Curry or and Zach. Mr. Drossman it is easy to kick a man when he is down but what is your real problem here? OB what up? Glad you’re staying in the place to be. I will shout out to you later, peace.
By Vic Corbit on Apr 10, 2008
The facts are the facts. If you looked at my comments on knicksnation, after Brown was fired you’d see that I gave Thomas a chance. In fact, I was trashed there for my support of Thomas. Vecsey, Isola and many on Knicksnation were critical when I said let Thomas finish last year. And Thomas was given even more then that.In fact I didn’t start to become nagative on Thomas until after the Sanders trial.
He was given more time then Larry Brown, a hall of fame coach.
Thomas had his chance and failed. Knicks won’t be in the finals until they get a gm and a coach (two different people) who can get along, a center who can play defense, a point guard who can distribute the ball and they need to rid themselves of Q, who can’t shoot anymore and Jared, who plays neither defense or offense. Funny that you think we need to get rid of Zach, I think he’s one of the few keepers, which include Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Crawford. Because Thomas never played Collins and Randolph Morris, the Jury is still out on them. But to say they’ll make the finals in three years is just silly. I’d be happy if they win the Atlantic in three years.
Saying the Knicks will make the finals in three years makes you sound like Peaceman. Let’s have realistic expectations. The Knicks had their chance in 1994 and John Starks killed them.
By edward drossman on Apr 10, 2008
Mr. Drossman I sound like Vic. I don’t compare human beings to one another. We are all individuals. No knock on Peaceman. Once again a cheap shot to the fallen Mr. Drossman. You enjoy piling on apparently. I remember you clearly at Isola’s Facist Forum. A hypocrites delight. Also a place for people who have memory loss as well. Mr. Drossman your lack of objectivity is a concern but the world will continue to turn. Essence Mr. Drossman not ego will open your mind to the truth. You don’t like certain people. I will leave it at that. The name is Corbit, Vic Corbit, Esq., to you.
By Vic Corbit on Apr 10, 2008
You go VicBit!
It is always a shame that when one’s opinion tends to side with that of others a laberl or simplistic catergorization is made.
I read you over at KnicksFix. Good read way to defend yourself, and the position taken.
By Orange and Blue on Apr 10, 2008
“Mr. Drossman your lack of objectivity is a concern but the world will continue to turn.” You shouldn’t be talking about objectivity. I’ve been able to say positive things about Thomas, mostly before the Sanders trail, like the players he’s drafted and I thought that Randolph Morris was a steal. But then he refuses to play his draft picks. That doesn’t make sense and it shows why Thomas shouldn’t have both jobs. He overplayed Jared and Q to try and prove that his signing Jared and trading for Q were great moves, but both Jared and Q struggled.
Had Thomas played Balkman and the younger players, he would look great. That Q trade still looks terrible.
If you read my postings on Knicksnation, you’d see that they were positive towards Thomas, until the Sanders trial. You can check if you want. But after the trial Thomas became like Larry Brown and featured too many starting line ups, refused to play the younger players and played favorates. Anyone with half a brain can see that Thomas’ favorate players (for some reason) are Jared and Q. Those two players don’t have to produce and they’d play.
If you remember back to the brawl with Karl, my comments were 100% in support of Thomas and the knicks played their best basketball after the Brawl, but then when the players came back from being suspended Thomas went back to his old ways.
By edward drossman on Apr 10, 2008
I think I became negative after the trail. Also how can Thomas say he can do more with Brown’s Knicks and not be able to win 25 games with this team?
By edward drossman on Apr 10, 2008
Vic,
I had an open mind, until the trail, but when you have Thomas’ abusing Co employees and not producing, then I’ll say it. I had Thomas’ back after the big Brawl and I was one of the people calling for Brown to be fired whe he was.
After all, wasn’t it Thomas who said he could have won with Larry Brown’s Knicks? Oh yeah, then why can’t he win with this year’s team?
By edward drossman on Apr 10, 2008
Hey all, i’ve not been posting & toasting much due to real life pressures.
Ed, most of your posts contain questions. But for the most part, they are questions posed to people who no longer read them, they’ve moved on to other forums - some a very long time ago, like Kandiman. You might remember me from Knicks Knation a ways back - i was the one who enlightened African and the rest to the definition of the word “Dross”.
But i have also, in the absence of others, attempted to answer your hypothetical questions which are posed to no one. It doesn’t matter, you ignore the answers and continue to rephrase the questions. To what end sir, to what end?
This community has undergone a severe change - can you change with it? i have challenged you recently to change it up - and in fairness, i feel you have made some strides in this area. But for those stalwart Knicks fans who will remain here at KnicksDefense.Com for the rest of this year and into next season, we ask that you leave the past in the past.
i know you love the Knicks, but i cannot bear the thought of reading thousands and thousands of future Edward Drossman posts asking the same questions about Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas. You will drive more away from this blog. You will certainly drive me away, no big loss, but i think there will be others.
Did you enjoy posting in the virtually silent Knicks Knation for most of this season? Evidentally not, because eventually you wandered over here.
Edward, for the love of God, please stop living in the past and instead shift your gaze to today and tomorrow. And quit it with Larry Brown. He was here for one season, one season only, and a bad season at that. It simply has little or no significance in the rich tapestry of Knicks history, nor does it have any lessons on how to help us move forward tomorrow. Breathe deeply, sigh and let him go.
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
PaulNoize,
Some funny but true stuff to Ed!
WriteON a hundred times.
By Anti-NYSN for time being on Apr 11, 2008
Adding a former Post as a reminder to ED Drossman and one of my favorites this year from PaulNoize:
Speaking of trolls: Ed Drossman. Still posting the same arguments IN THE SAME PHRASES AND WORDS FROM TWO YEARS AGO! Ed, YOU have to be bored to tears with your own posts. They’re despicable. At least mix up the phrasing here and there, update a factoid with a link supporting your worldview, etc. Tell a joke, if you know any. It wouldn’t make your posts more interesting, but at least they wouldn’t be quite so frustratingly moronic.
And consolidate the three or four thoughts you have into one post at a time please. You’re one of the worst, stubborn, boring, ill-adjusted, guileless personalities i have ever had the misfortune to come across in the blogosphere. Go pound sand.
Comment by PaulNoize — March 26, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
This was nicely written and some poignant, funny stuff with the use of words.
“Go pound sand.” (a funny and a nice thought picture, I laughed, when after reading.
By Anti-NYSN for time being on Apr 11, 2008
at #5 - O & B, we will strive to stay steady, each according to our gifts. You always bring energy and tone to the community song my brudder!
Starburyfan, i wouldn’t throw the term Nazi around lightly. It’s another “N” word, and you made your bed on that issue long ago. i was the lone voice back then who supported Charles Follymacher’s call to not use that word for one day - MLK Day - in an attempt to honor one of the Greatest American Heroes. Charles and i were completely owned by a tight-knit group of bloggers whom i called “Blog Elders” at the time….they no longer post here, or even read here as far as i know. They have found a positivity and forward direction with their fellowship and for that i am thankful and grateful for their forward momentum.
But on the N-word issue, they had no forward positive momentum, they simply circled like sharks and ripped viciously - and baselessly, slanderously - into Charles Follymacher until he bowed out and retired. He went down fighting, and took on six or seven lockstep brothers - and destroyed their posts, logically speaking. But it didn’t matter, they made it clear that right or wrong, the vitriol would not stop until he stopped posting. i defended Charles then, and found to my dismay that Steady - who i long respected - was always sniping at me on my every post, just for the sake of sniping at someone who dared defy the Blog Elders and tried to defend Brother Folly.
But i digress. The N-words. Nazis were racist devils. The British & French knew this and resigned themselves to a hopeless fight against an evil, unbeatable foe…..while frankly, the cowardly Americans stuck their heads in the sand and pretended nothing was happening. If the Japanese hadn’t been so stupid as to attack Pearl Harbor, this blog might actually be in German - and there’d likely be a lot less schvartzes and Joos in the world. They were pure evil.
Making those former “Blog Elders” compared to pure evil is laughable on one level, but sad on another. Call them out for the things they said to you, sure. But such a comparison does not reflect favorably on you with me, speaking for one loyal KD poster. Your credibility is already lessened, sadly, by this womanly spat with the former (now departed) blog elders. They largely acted like women too, both with you & with Charles. There are exceptions of course, some of those Blog Elders are shining stars who deserve no ill tongue from me, you or anyone frankly!
Man, i really digress. Haven’t had my morning coffee, sorry for my usual LAP. In sum: kill the Nazi references yo.
On the winning streak: fuck a lottery position, we weren’t getting Rose anyway. Or Artest. The answer was as African cited long ago: we have to do a better job of “coaching up” the boys who still strap on the orange & blue next year. It’ll be the same cast of characters, largely. Wholesale change is unlikely, because there will be no fire sale, and that is the only way we’ll get rid of some of these expensive scrubs littering the roster. Just coach ‘em up, maximize their roles and let the contracts play out. Over time, they start to fit a little better, and as the months peel past their contracts become marginally easier to deal.
i like the win streak because it will be a flotation device in the offseason, a moral and professional object for our boys to cling to while they bob in an ocean of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). We should keep it going!!! LGK!!!!
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
Hah, thanks ANYSN, Steady has pointed out the i am complicated and contradictory at times. i’m certainly no angel and not perfect, and i probably shouldn’t blog at odd hours or during hours of insobriety.
But sometimes the funniest, most inappropriate yet inventive shit can pop out that way, many of our greatest moments in jazz were created in moments of pure folly and self-destruction.
Am i comparing myself to Miles? i must be a moron with an ego run amok. i apologize.
Maybe i should head over to the Blog Elders new spot, expose myself to some renewed sniper fire from Steady Frontin’, keep that ego in check LOL!
Some nice points on Taz in here, in the constant shuffling of deck chairs on the Titanic (small forward position) todays news is that Chandler and Jeffries are in, while Taz & Q are out. This may change again and again and again, and serves to make all four dudes underproductive and insignificant as trade assets. Perhaps Isiah’s motive in sticking stubbornly with Q was to build up his trade value so he could dump him? If so, it hasn’t worked.
i call on the Knicks coaching staff, whoever’s in charge next year, to pick ONE starter, ONE backup and bench the other two guys to be used only when needed (injuries, blowouts, end game sets plus the occasional specific player matchup which calls for a particular type of Defender).
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
Oh - and i think those guys should be Chandler and Jeffries!
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
w/r/t Isiah dissing the 90’s Knicks….if he holds championships as the one true measure of success, so be it.
He should probably stop defending his Pacers and Raptors tenures as success stories, though. They were failures by that criterion, case closed, no nuance needed (dig the alliteration?)
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
Anti, Paulnoize
Good to read both of you and know your alive and kicking.
Please explain to me the meaning of the word Dross?
I will provide my response to Edward under my theory of the Thomas Legacy Mode Choke Theory, which I have already advanced elsewhere.
All I really seek is a a solid effort towards a measured form of objective towards the pros and cons of the subject matter- persons, organizations etc- discussed on this or any forum. Where I falter, I am sure someone will properly correct met.
Stay strong brothers!
By Orange and Blue on Apr 11, 2008
Vick,
He was here for one season, one season only, and a bad season at that. If you noticed Larry Brown had a bad season his first year with a each new team he’s been on and he’s improved his teams every year. But Thomas built Brown’s Knicks team and buil this 20 game winning knicks team.
Brown failed as a coach. Thomas failed as a coach and gm.
By edward drossman on Apr 11, 2008
When people like Vic Corbit say in 3 years the Knicks are going to be in the finals with Thomas players is just silly.
I know Mr. Walsh will reap the benefits of what Mr. Thomas laid out. This of course getting rid of the rubbish, Big Snax, Malik, Q, Fred Jones, Curry or and Zach. Big Snax, Malik, Q, Fred Jones, Curry or and Zach were brought here by Thomas.
The Knicks have 4 good players, Lee, Balkman, Zach, Chandler. I have priased Thomas for his ability to draft, but then he doesn’t play the draft picks like Collins, Chandler, Balkman, so its really hard to see if they’re any good. But four very good players doesn’t make a championship winning team. You need 5 starters and a great bench. The Knicks still need a center and four or five bench players.
Comment by Vic Corbit — April 10, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
By edward drossman on Apr 11, 2008
So today Thomas said they Knicks haven’t had anything to be proud of since 1973. And that when he wins a championship here, people will realize how good he is. News Flash, he’ll probably get fired and if he remains, the knicks will win 20 games every year he’s here.
So I guess the Knicks didn’t make the finals twice in the 1990 and had numerios playoff appearences and they had a hall of famer in Ewing. Thomas is delusional. The Knicks were great during the 1990’s.
By edward drossman on Apr 11, 2008
Good AM Defenders!
@PN
Very intersting post at #16, very interesting indeed. Admonishing KD for you using the word Nazi brings us FUll CIRCLE and you touch onit breifly in your post, but not necessarily accurately. I am also fascinated by peoples recollection of the incident…Truly amazing
On the last THREAD I too expressed displeasure with KD’S post but not for the use of the word Nazi, a similar stance I took with Peaceman when he use the N-Word. I don’t know any Nazi’s or Niggers, and I am certianly neither, so it doesn’t pertain to me. As Cris ROck’s Mother has written in her new book, “What do you answer too”… You are what you respond too obviously…Steady, Bronx, TMAN, JB, Statesman, LIVES, OB, DVJ, and others also where not supporters of the language, but unlike Folly we did not see the need to repudiate, reject, or denounce. One, because it had been use on the blog before, but not with such force or anger or vitriol. As I wrote to Folly on the night of the Incident, “We are all grown Men here and we all know the difference between right and wrong, and every tub has to stand on its own bottom, and live with the consequences of their actions. You mentioned in your post only you and Folly spoke up, but did it really make a difference…I’m certain it did not…
Silence was not an act of agreement, on this blog we used the proverbial “Skip Pass” but the incident took on a whole new life because Folly and others wouldn’t let it go, which only produced more venom from our Brother Peaceman,and a varied response from many posters. When I spoke out the other day it was due to the misrpresentation of events on KD and KD’S improper flexing and state of denial. I’ll repeat, ‘TWO WRONGS DON”T MAKE A RIGHT….The word Nazi was irrelevant…
On the issue of Folly, another gross misrpresentation…Folly was a flip flopper, trite at times, condescending,and a good poster in many instances who brought a different flava, but mostly an easy target that people messed with because they knew they could, but we often encouraged him to fight back, but IMHO, belonging and acceptance was more important to Folly than being TRUE TO HIMSELF. I actually wish Folly would peek in again, but that is his call. No different from the razing African took here on his position with Curry. Everybody let him have about his Pink eye verses his Critical eye. But African never waivered, nor did Modi…he caught hell too…both on the THREAD and in person…We’re still PARTNERS…IT NEVER SHOULD BE PERSONAL
PN, I always admired your ability to weave through the BS and maze of those that will prick at you and challenge you with words. We have some who dish it out, but often cannot takes or ask others to do what their not willing to do themselves. It is all part of the Human Dynamic and our process of interaction. That is why a DROSS should be ignored based on his content, not as person. He’s a member of the Human Family too…Surely I have over stayed my visit, have a great day Defenders and always remember on a TEAM (TOGETHER EVERYONE ACHIEVES MORE)
Keep it POPPIN!
By Cooleyhigh on Apr 11, 2008
COOLEYHIGH,
HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Co-signed 100%
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Apr 11, 2008
Good to see your post Cooley, admittedly we view the same events from different angles and internalize different interpretations of the facts. Truly amazing, as you say!
i also wish Folly would peek in, and in fairness his open hunger to BELONG rather than simply BE was a little creepy (took me a minute to see it).
However, there have also been posts calling earnestly (or arrogantly preaching, depending on your viewpoint) for Fellowship instead of just posting & scrolling.
Folly wanted fellowship but was rejected by those same who say he is meaningless without it…i offer no conclusions or wisdom on this matter, i simply note it.
i myself tend to move beyond stick and move towards stick and move on. Certainly i’ve had memorable flareups on here & KK in the past, but i find little in those confrontations that sticks to the ribs. Time stands still for no man, and our common passion in being KNICKS FANS is a fluid and dynamic situation which constantly offers new stimuli upon which to agree or disagree. Thus does bickering fade into the past, and new alliances are born - for instance, if Eddy Curry shows up in mini camp looking ripped and playing mean, i have no doubt that African will find more than just my own meagre, lukewarm defense of his stance on Mr. Curry (if anyone else supported African’s stance i apologize for not remembering, all i remember was a fairly unified beatdown, LOL).
i come from a different spiritual background than yourself Cooley, but your honor and class speaks for itself. i view the Folly incident differently than you, and i do seem to recall recoiling from one post of your own in a visceral way. One post does not invalidate the many great things you have posted as the blogs scroll though, and i look forward to more rewarding give and take (or is it kid -n- play?) as we all move forward. =)
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
It’s interesting Paulnoize that although Follymach took his lickings by many on KD he is still well remembered by many a blogger.
Some of the boyz over at the Fanatics would like to reach out to him to lend his voice to that new collective project.
What do you thin of the draft speculation that the Knicks will likely go after OJ(ok) Mayo. I’m not to with that b/c although he was billed as a PG, word is his handle aint so tight, and he is more of a scorer than true orchastrator.
I hope we either get lucky or wisely use our pick. We already have Crawford for the duck and chuck. We either need a post presence for defense, or an orchastrator for the teams fluidity.
Anything else would be foolhearty- unless drafted then traded for the desired items.
Anyhow keep up the good work peeps.
Dross you’re a broken record, the more you repeat the same line and dance the less force it carries and the more it becomes a nasty rash blighting the blogosphere.
By Orange and Blue on Apr 11, 2008
i think if we slide to the sixth spot, we’d do well to use the pick as an asset to wash down some of our undesirables in a trade.
It is sadly apparent that many Knicks fans still do not recognize that more than half our roster are actually worth LESS THAN NOTHING to other teams. We need to package assets with them in order to make them disappear, and even then we may get back overpaid stiffs in return, preferably overpaid stiffs with smaller, shorter contracts.
The gameplan is to be under the cap the summer BEFORE the 2010 season, which means we have to deal Zach for shorter contracts. No one will bite unless we take back worse contracts (Sacto’s Kenny Thomas / Shareef duo plus other gah-bajj).
Or we package Zach with assets - a first round pick, Lee, Taz, Chandler and Nate are our only assets. Jamal is a borderline case - he may have positive value for some teams, not many.
Keep in mind when i talk about value, that does not mean talent….Isiah has deftly assembled a hugely talented squad. In the NBA, value is defined as production per salary cap dollar, and this is where the Knicks drift to the bottom of the pile. Zach’s a 20 and 10 stud, but when you factor in his weaknesses and huge contract, he is virtually untradeable. Zach plus Lee plus our first rounder this year MIGHT get us a Theo Ratliff type useless player with expiring contract. MIGHT. It also might not be enough to get that much - that’s how shitty Zach’s value per cap dollar is.
i know it hurts, but truth is truth. If we don’t luck out on Rose or Beasley, or trade down for multiple and/or future picks, then maybe we should just view the first rounder as a down payment on the ZACH RANDOLPH LAYAWAY (or LAYOFF) FUND.
Blogzilla - FYI your Older/Newer links at the bottom of the main page are criss-crossed. You should reverse them at some point. =)
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
So where’s the NEW hangout knick blogger spot, PNoize?
By Anti-NYSportsNews on Apr 11, 2008
Great stuff Knicksdefense. I look forward to an interesting off season here
where we can discuss our teams future. Hopefully, we can get lucky in the
draft.
Good stuff!!!!!
By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Apr 11, 2008
Noize,
comment 19 couldn’t be more right on the money. Great point. Thomas is a walking contradiction.
I can’t believe the boys can’t see the value of a high draft pick ! What has this win streak accomplished besides to screw us come draft time ? I’m hoping the fix is in and we can still come away w/ the 1st or 2nd pick. It is a lottery after all. Only once has the worst team gotten the 1st pick (LBJ). Here’s to hoping that the balls bounce our way come June.
By JohnQ on Apr 11, 2008
“It is sadly apparent that many Knicks fans still do not recognize that more than half our roster are actually worth LESS THAN NOTHING to other teams.”
“Isiah has deftly assembled a hugely talented squad. ”
Those two statements contradict each other. Either he has assembled a hugely talented squad or our roster are actually worth LESS THAN NOTHING to other teams.”
If “Isiah has deftly assembled a hugely talented squad, ” then we should at least be in the playoffs in the pathetic East.
Thomas has gotten some good players, Lee, Balkman (but no one knows how good Balkman is because Thomas hardly plays him), Chandler, (but no one knows how good Chandler is because Thomas hardly played him this year), Zach, but the rest of the team isn’t worth jack shit. Nobody wants Marty Collins (partly because Thomas never played Marty so teams don’t know if he’s any good, Jared Jefferies, Randolph Morris (who the Jury is still out on), Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Fred Jones, Marbury, Q, Nate and Rose. Maybe we can get something for Jamal Crawford, Fred Jones. Marbury, because of his contract ending might be of some value, but I doubt it.
By edward drossman on Apr 11, 2008
Anti
Contact me at the following email and I’ll put out the address to the new blog.
illaatoq@yahoo.com
By Orange and Blue on Apr 11, 2008
Ed, i did try to explain the difference between talent and value. This squad is talented, but offers poor value due to large, long guaranteed contracts which no one wants. Every team has to have a few huge contracts, but those cornerstones are generally already in place. The two statements do not contradict each other if you understand the difference between talent and value-per-cap-dollar.
i don’t believe the players tanked, but i believe that Zeke deliberately tanked this season - i have already written a post on that some days ago so i will not paraphrase it here. Stephon has to at least share the blame there - both men are behaving very badly, and have conspired to one end - this season, literally and figuratively had no point.
Fred & Randy are gone. We either re-sign them, sign-and-trade if anyone makes us an offer, or they simply walk as free agents. Fred’s had useful stretches and may get some offers. Randy will be lucky to get a job in the league next season - even a 10 day contract may elude him.
Some (like Clyde and a couple of Defenders) like Mardy. He might have value on a team like Dallas, Detroit or Phoenix - a veteran team with lots of scorers, where he could come in and play his role. We’re aren’t at that level and have no use for him - he should probably simply be waived. i think he’ll land with someone eventually - maybe not play, but get a roster spot somewheres.
Balkman needs a change of scenery to a running team. Orlando would be a nice fit for him, or a West Coast team. Problem is, Zeke didn’t play him much so his trade value is very low, plus there are whispers that he has an AI-attitude ’bout practice. He needs to change that if he wants any burn in The League.
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
LOL, don’t tell Peaceman about this Peta2 contest!
PRIZE (1): a pair of Ron Artest’s signed and played-in size 16 shoes along with an autographed Kings jersey and the composite ball he’s holding in the ad.
RUNNER UP PRIZE (1): signed jersey.
Blogzilla - i think this offseason you should quietly add the new blog on the block to your front page links and then simply cease referring to them. It’s the quickest path to forward progress and an open field…..the end zone beckons in the distance brudder!!!
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
P-Nice and OB you are two asstute brothers. Your assessment of Mr. Drossman is dead on. No need to dwell in the babble. He is in his own zone, twilight that is. I was emailed back personally by Marc Berman on his take on Thomas’ comments about our storied franchise. The MSM along with the Drossman’s of the world have amnesia or they are true hypocrites. No, the Thomas run Knicks are what they are, terrible. Is the product on the court better than it was in December 2003? I say yes. The results of Thomas and Layden’s tenures are similiar but yet different. Layden did nothing. Thomas tried to do something. Layden believed in the Eisley’s and Anderson’s of the world. Thomas believed in Marbury and Curry. Who will Walsh believe in? I stand by my comment that in 3 years, our Knicks will be in the finals with several players on the current roster making huge contributions. Walsh has chips to play with Thomas did not when he took over the Knicks. These are not excuses but facts. Everybody who knows anything about basketball accumen, know the Knicks have an abundance of talent. What they lack is team chemistry and overall unity. This is where basketball saavy executives thrive. Walsh is a saavy suit. He not only will bambooozle several teams in taking some of our players but will replace them with hungry ballers with short term deals that will make us relevant overnight. This is not a pipe dream (blunted) but why Mr. Stern is in his office just salvating with the prospects of the Flagship Franchise doing well immediately. We won’t be next year’s Celtics but we will make the show. Right it down, April 11, 2008. I said it, meant it and here to represent it. I cool, I’m calm, oops, thats another script. Holla at your boiiiiiieeeeeee!!!!!!!
By Vic Corbit on Apr 11, 2008
Speaking of P-Nice, i know this blog has an affection for older hip hop culture so i will share a nugget i stumbled across today.
Seems a BoSox sympathizer snuck a Red Sox t-shirt into a concrete mold used to build the visiting locker room at the new Yankee Stadium, to try and start a curse. The article posted comments by Pete Nash, a Hall Of Fame employee and Red Sox fan who also owns a baseball memorabilia store in Cooperstown.
The article also reveals that Pete Nash, baseball historian and published author, was once known as Pimp Minister Pete Nice from 3rd Bass!
After the fold….Steppin’ To The A.M.
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
Noize,
I read that too. I saw those guys in Island Park back in the day w/ Naughty by Nature. Good days.
By JohnQ on Apr 11, 2008
Amen, PaulNoize and O&B. Drossman has a trumpet but he only plays one note.
I think it’s pretty hilarious about the T-shirt in the concrete. Made me wonder if Frankie S would have the crew jackhammer it out…nothing like a little extra color to things. Maybe someone’ll stick a used Yankees jock in the foundation if they ever replace Fenway.
As for Isiah’s comments about ‘73, they go both ways. On one hand, he’s telling the truth. The Knicks haven’t won it all in 35 years. On the other hand, by saying “you”, and implying pride in the team comes only in winning the championship, he’s being as insulting as he can be. You think a guy as thoroughly skilled in confrontation a Isiah is, doesn’t know exactly the meaning of statements like that?
He’s shrewd–he knows how to manipulate people (that’s a big part of how he won in Detroit–and Magic, though not as devious, was the same way in LA…and Michael, usually by being threatening, did no differently in Chicago). But Isiah’s unintelligent–he genuinely doesn’t know how to succeed at this job. Both together make him completely insufferable.
But that’s old news…Knicks are still what, in 5th place for the lottery?
By Mike on Apr 11, 2008
Oops, that’s Hankie S. Steinbrenner’s name isn’t Frank…
By Mike on Apr 11, 2008
Hey Mike, i am dying to ask - did you post on AOL message boards way back in the day?
Yeah, Zeke the Piston is dead to me. He could conceivably repair some of the damage he has caused ,by staying here and making amends….there are many true Knick fans who feel that way. Peeps whose opinions i respect, and their arguments are righteous and sometimes even convincing.
But i have passed the point of no return. Zeke never was a Knick, and he never will be. He never even wanted to be a Knick. He must go. Immediately.
By PaulNoize on Apr 11, 2008
GOOD AM DEFENDERS!
@KD, first and foremost I want to thank you for letting post #24 flesh its way through word press and allowing the post to reach the THREAD. Greatly appreciated, considering the risque language utilize to make a broader point. Thanks again.!
@PN, I respect and appreciate your response and I also respect your right and privilege to interpret stimuli differently. And, I do recall the incident you referred too in your post, and I definitely resemble that comment, and recall finding your post about my overt indulgence in the ‘Holy Water’ witty, comical, and quite appealing, because ofynouruse of words and the point you were trying to make, and you and I never had a crossed word, because I respected and enjoyed the exchange and did not take it personally or feel I was above critique or critizism if I did not represent. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT. I recall an incident with Rockstar nad African, and the former was actually coming to my aid and said some pretty strong and nasty things to and about AfricaI, and i did not reject Rockstar, but engaged him on a very human level along with one other Defender, and because of that engagement, Rockstar expressed his regret and apologize on his own volition. THIS IS THE OTHER POINT! PN, thanks for engaging with me on this matter, and I appreciate you, your perspective, and you are a valuable VOICE on this or any other THREAD. Continue to be TRUE TO YOURSELF MY PHILLY G…
Regarding the Draft, the Script has been written and as I mentioned earlier we will see what type of Business Man CDolan and JDolan really are since they brokered the deal with Lil General to remove cheating and coruption from the Front Pages of the MSM. I always follow the money….Time will tell all!
Keep it POPPIN!
By Cooleyhigh on Apr 12, 2008
cooley keep steppin and poppin to the am. keep the vibe alive!!!!!
By Vic Corbit on Apr 12, 2008
Pride is about self esteem and self respect, not whether you win or lose. Most people know this.
But pride is also very subjective.
I may be very proud of my daughter’s straight A’s she got on her report card, while you may look at your son’s diploma from Northwestern and laugh at my pride. Guess what? I don’t care about your son or Northwestern. I have no emotional stake at all in him.
And even if we are talking about it from a competitive standpoint and your son was first in the class while my daughter was second, I am not only still proud of my daughter, but I still don’t care about your son’s achievement. The pride I have in this case comes from the love, the emotional investment I have in my daughter.
It is no different with sports, and the absence of pride in a fan would make it impossible to root for a team as the absence of self pride and team pride in a team would in fact make it impossible for that team to succeed. Case in point; Our present day Knicks. No pride, no chance.
Some talked about no one remembering who comes in second. I submit that I will always remember who came in second in ‘94 and ‘99 because I was personally emotionally invested, and “my” team was the team in question.
I will also remember the fight they put up in ‘92 when they took the Bulls to seven games in the semi’s (in my opinion their best chance to beat Jordan and yes they failed but I was still proud of them).
No other team in the league gave the Bulls wars like my New York Knicks in those years. I always knew that once the Knicks/Bulls series was through, the rest of the NBA Playoffs was purely academic. So did most true basketball fans.
I will always remember that my team made the playoffs for fourteen straight years before the current cablevision regime, and were serious true contenders for the title for at least half of those years.
Was that something to be proud of? I guess only if you were “A Real Fan”. If someone had words about the Knicks in those days, I had words for them. I would defend my Knicks to the end. I still do to a point even with this mockery of a team, although now it’s more like defending your idiot brother against an outsider. It’s more out of duty that anything else. I believe this is called the slow agonizing loss of pride. Thank you James Dolan and Isiah Thomas.
I will always remember who came in second to Ed Pinckney’s Villanova squad in the 1985 NCAA tournament. Is it because I was a huge Georgetown/Ewing fan at the time? Could be.
I will always remember if the Knicks finish this year with the fifth worst record in the league, and who was responsible for it (in my opinion) even though a Laker or Piston fan may not remember or care. I am certainly not proud of that “accomplishment”. Again, thank you Isiah.
I have given Isiah the benefit of the doubt for a long time. I don’t hate the man. I am apathetic towards him. I have no emotional investment in him one way or the other. He is not a Knick, he is certainly not THE Knicks and he is not New York. He has made that definitively clear since he walked in to MSG talking about Chicago and telling New Yorkers what it means to be a New Yorker.
Isiah is Chicago, Pistons and Indiana. Just look at his transactions and hires. The same bias Scott Layden had with the Jazz, BYU Cougars, and Utah. I don’t blame Isiah for that. But the fact is he has failed. I didn’t want him to. I was rooting for him and MY Knicks, but he failed, and it’s time to move on. It’s time to see what a real coach can do with this team, and then make a decision on what to do with the roster.
By the way for those who say Isiah is the worst coach the Knicks have had, you are flat out wrong. there were four that were worse than him out of twenty three coaches in fifty two years. Facts gentlemen not hyperbole please.
I know I was always proud to be a Knick fan in the nineties. Bulls fans may have thought I had nothing to be proud of, but I bet the Clippers or Hawks would have taken my team and my team’s record in a New York minute and been very proud.
We did not win it all in 94 or 99. That’s a true statement. I was and am proud of those teams. That’s also a true statement.
If Isiah’s Pistons had peaked at the same time as Jordan’s Bulls like the Knicks did, then Isiah would also have zero championships. That is an opinion, and I am entitled to it.
Timing is everything in the NBA as it is in life.
P.S.
@ Mak
You state how Isiah was technically correct in saying the ’90’s Knicks had nothing to be proud of, and then right away you say that the team played with pride. To have pride is to be proud. I ask you: How can you play with pride if you have nothing to be proud of?
@KD
Although I don’t have the time anymore to post regularly, I have read every word of your blog since the beginning. I check it at least twice a day. Keep up the good work.
By bokonon on Apr 12, 2008
Good Left Coast AM Defenders!
@Bokonon
We have not heard from you in a NYC minute, but I must say, ‘STILL WATERS RUN DEEP’ and my Brudder your post was exactly that on a Right Coast PM. Substative and passionate and quite accurate…I submit with great pride and honor that I Co-Sign Post #44.
Reading your post reminded me of one of my favorite Rap Songs by my Brudder Guru, ‘Respect the Architect’, and the FANDOM and FANSHIP most of US engage in gave birth during a time when IT was in Nut City if you get my meaning…And yes, I am telling my age cause I am an OG but your post Bokonon took US back in Time and Space in the 90’s when True Knick Fans had a reason to cheer and be proud…(I go back to the 60’s & 70’s, the glory years, and the unpredictable 80’s which were entertaining and sad at times)
In closing, IMHO the NBA Script has been written, the Lil General had NY Knicks fake left so he could fade right and the cheating, coruption, dishonesty if wide spread, drifted away like like smoke from a british pipe into the ether. Draft day and the days to follow should reveal whether my so-called theory is right or wrong.
If I am am wrong, then we need DUST OFF ISIAH THOMAS LIKE A WISE GUY WOULD WITH AN NYC GANGSTER LEAN…In his case we would ‘Wreck the Architect’ Gotta bounce, but I’m glad I peeked in, because Post #44 was definitely worth it…
Keep it POPPIN!
By Cooleyhigh on Apr 12, 2008
Paul–sorry, different Mike. I guess thre are too many of us running around with that name. : )
Bokonon–interesting point about the timing of Isiah’s teams, coming between the Celts/Lakers and Bulls runs. It’s a great what-if debate, which of those four teams was greatest (I think it’s between the Celts and Lakers, personally, because of their depth). But could Isiah & co. of the late 80’s have hung with the championship Bulls? They had opposite strengths: the Pistons at the point and inside; the Bulls on the perimeter game. That’s why I was so sorry when Jordan retired before the lockout season: Bulls-Spurs would’ve been a fascinating matchup (Duncan/Robinson vs. Jordan/Pippen).
Oh, well.
By Mike on Apr 12, 2008
Bokonon
You articulated the concept of pride as it regards to personal steak in ones endeared endeavours in way I was unable to articulate.
Solid post and very welcome.
I learn something new everyday.
Shout out to the Defenders still here staying strong- Steady, Mike, Vic Bit, P Noize, Cooley High, Steady (where are you brudder?), KnicksD (Time for a new ready if you’re up to it), Anti, DLT and all whom I’ve forgotten. OBTW where is follymach I miss his witty posting.
Will check back in latez!
By Orange and Blue on Apr 12, 2008
Mr. Jerome James got 5.8 million this season for less than 5 minutes of PT.
http://www.connpost.com/sports/ci_8905637
By dward on Apr 13, 2008
# 48 was Edward.
By Edward on Apr 13, 2008
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=fitness&category=workout.plans&conitem=63c38650d1195110VgnVCM10000013281eac____
By Edward on Apr 13, 2008
Tom Brokaw Chimes in on why he will not renew his Knicks’ season tickets.
http://njmg.typepad.com/knickknacks/2008/04/talking-lebron.html
Hey if any of the defenders want to witness Isiah on trial for his coaching reign. Contact me before thursday evening at illaatoq@yahoo.com and I’ll provide you a link to the forum for the live debate.
By Orange and Blue on Apr 14, 2008
defending your idiot brother against an outsider
well said, well said.
By HarleminMD on Apr 14, 2008
Deeeeeeeee-fenders
Let’s hope the Knicks fans just say goodbye to Zeke without booing him.
He DID try his best!
By D L T Knicks on Apr 14, 2008
chandler got hurt.
i was concerned about history repeating itself with mardy collins redux, and mentioned it a month ago when randolph started to play from out of nowhere along with chandler.
rondo’s weight went into his kneecap.
looked like the injury channing had a few years ago when nate pushed the opponent into channing’s knee.
i hope he is alright because the kid is a baller;
despite the fact that isiah didn’t want to play him for 90% of the season.
By knicksdefense on Apr 14, 2008
msg x-rays are negative.
they’re calling it a sprain (this is the same organization that tried to hide mardy’s injury/surgery for several months until summer league started)
i guess this will be wilson’s last game as a rookie.
hope the dude is alright.
By knicksdefense on Apr 14, 2008
The Knicks’ starters can’t even beat the Celtics without their big three.
By ed drossman on Apr 14, 2008
The Knicks have been this bad only twice since 1985. Meanwhile Boston won 24 games last season and so far they’ve won 65 games already. Dolan should be ashamed of himself for saying their was marked improvement from Larry Brown’s knicks to Thomas’ Knicks. Marked improvement is going from 20 games to winning the Atlantic and maybe more. Meanwhile, it was funny yelling to the Celtics fans that Giants beat their football team. Although, I really doubt that the fans at the Knicks game tonight were actually real Boston fans.
Don’t worry about all those Thomas lovers, you were right all along Thomas is a terrible coach, a bad gm and a bad guy for the way he treated people who worked for him, ie sanders.
Boston went from winning 20 games to 65, yet I have to hear about how Thomas is doing a great or even good job.
By ed drossman on Apr 15, 2008
NY Post, April 15, 2008 — TOM Brokaw has finally had it with owner James Dolan and the Knicks. He’s giving up the season tickets he’s held for years, disgusted with his once favorite team’s losing streak and lousy management. “As a season ticket holder for a long time, I won’t renew because I don’t like the attitude that that ownership has brought to the community,” Brokaw told Jim Gray on XM Satellite Radio. “I just think that they have failed their obligation to the city. I think that we have great sports franchises in New York. I think Fred Wilpon of the Mets and George Steinbrenner of the Yankees measure up, and they bring to the community winning teams as best they can and make real statements about being supportive of the community. I don’t think that the Dolans have done that, and I think the Garden has lost a lot of its luster . . . They get these huge prices for people to sit in those seats, all kinds of tax advantages to owning the Garden, and yet they operate as if they were a sovereign country and want to play only by their own rules. So I’m not very happy about that.”
Check at the Post’s cartoon today.Worthy!(not James!)
By Tman on Apr 15, 2008
http://nymag.com/news/sports/45787/ great article.
By edward drossman on Apr 15, 2008
Well I hate to one up you guys but it seems like Dave Checketts, the former garden president and GM also had some strong words against the Isiah Thomas GM/Head coaching regime. I think that critique can be found and heard over on the 1050 ESPN.com pod cast. It is a recent comment so look into it.
Since I know you guys love Isiah bashing! LOL!
By Orange and Blue on Apr 15, 2008
O&B: I wouldn’t describe myself as an Isiah basher. When he won in detroit, when he was a NBC announcer, even when he led the CBA to bankruptcy, as a Knicks fan, I didn’t care about him very much. I see myself not an Isiah hater, but a knick lover that is tired of the direction of team during the past four plus years: south.
If and when he is sent packing, I’ll go back to not giving two shits about the man.
Actually I did care about Isiah during A Mother’s Courage, the Mary Thomas Story. I was touched by that movie back in 1989 when it aired on TV and remember it to this day.
By knicksdefense on Apr 15, 2008