www.KnicksDefense.com

LETS GO KNICKS! 4 more years for Zeke! Walsh is a 15 million dollar Gopher!
Gotta love these KNICKS!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

I agree with Isola: Ernie Grunfeld would be a good choice for the next Knicks GM.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

KNEE-DEEP,

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn,

Peace & Blessing

By Statesman on Mar 25, 2008

Harlem,
Here’s the link to why the NY fans hate Mark Jackson! We wanted to keep Rod Stickland over his slow azz
but Strick got traded in the worst Knick trade ever!

tp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDE1239F937A25756C0A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Harlem,
soory try this link:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDE1239F937A25756C0A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEEDE1239F937A25756C0A96F948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

hahahaha

what a complete waste of my time…
as if the season couldn’t get any worse…

hopelessness in a man is so unattractive

By BARF on Mar 25, 2008

Who should replace Zeke then Peace ?

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Would someone step up to the plate and start a true Knick fan site?
This shit is such a bore.
The same ole Isiah must go bullshit is getting old.
This shit has been going on for far too long.
The same guys that were applauding Zeke’s picks just a few months ago, now thinks he’s hitler.
Gimme a fucking break! Knee Deep!
Barf, States, Lives this is your call, this ship be sinkin’ and sinkin’ quickly.
No insight. The ship is rudderless.

By African on Mar 25, 2008

John Q,
The real question is what players should we replace and what deal is on the table, and believe me
there’s a mega deal in progress!!!!!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

African,

Thomas is not as bad as Hitler!

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

If you don’t have anything nice to say…

So I guess you are the true authority on what a Knick fan should be. Give me a fucking break.

Go start the start already. Don’t wait for someone else.

Your hatred for other bloggers is what is old. Fuck the alpha dog shit. You ain’t it.

We’re 19-50-whatever and fans don’t have a right to feel frustrated? Philly is better than us and we should be happy and wait for sucess?

Get the fuck outta here.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

LOL African!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

My exact words Harlemin Md.

By Alan Hahn on Mar 25, 2008

I’m still an Isiah fan. #11 is a legend AND STILL HE MUST GO.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

Crazy day! Can’t we all just get along? lol

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Bird should be fired too, but who cares about Indiana. Let them wallow in their pig shit with their prodigal son. Fuck that. King of the fucking hill buddy. And we are tired of this shit. So take your royal indignant ass somewhere else. That shit is tired.

Lets go Knicks.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

New blog @ Coffee with Drossman’s and Darren’s Knicks.com

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Halem;
I AM outa here.
This blog had degenerated to a pulp.
This a waste of time!
My hatred? Who do I hate? I hate no one. I hate the bullshit I’ve been reading here.
This is no better than Isola and Berman.
Pure FUCKRY in here!

By African on Mar 25, 2008

Frank Isola has been the Knicks beat writer for the News since 1996. He is also a regular analyst on NBA TV and is the co-host of the NBA Radio show “Tip Off” which can be heard daily on Sirius.

By F. Isola on Mar 25, 2008

Now all we need is Berman’s invite!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

KD has a right to be angry. He is a fan, invests a lot of time in his team. Built a site in their honor. Yall mofos come around and shit on him too often. Yall need to give it a rest already. Yeah, some of the topics might get weary. Well, the losing is fucking dreadful. Should this site read like ESPN.com? Should it read like we’re paid by the NBA, offer sage advice? No. We’re fans. So if he wants to say FUCK YOU ISIAH!!! I understand. I see a legend sitting on his ass looking like a bitch when he should be reading the riot act to these imposters, like a Calipari. If IT can’t take the heat, he needs to go. Even playing the kids should bring out fire, should have him barking orders (like Larry). Chandler, a talented kid, looks lost out there and the coaches are not saying shit. I don’t know about the practices or the time outs, but appease me goddamit. Yell something to these lost players. MIKE DUNLEAVY SCORED 36 POINTS ON US twice!!

Time to start stabbing until something is done. Fall on the sword Isiah. It’s time.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

This is the result of too many losses! We are eating each other …as STEADY says!
If Thomas is to be replaced …be it someone other than the freaken Prunes that are
suggested! But I must agree with Gus Johnson….Zeke made these guys RICH and they didn’t hold up
their end of the agreement! Zeke can’t play defense for them! Shit we already spit out not one but 2 HOF coaches!
If we change Coaches….let it be for a “Paul Hewitt” or another upcoming talent! Not rehash the same old
worn out names!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

The ship be sunk!

Down the spiral staircase

By Orange and Blue on Mar 25, 2008

I agree Peace. But how many passes does he get? He brought in Marbury. I thought it was great. Didn’t work. He allowed Brown to talk him into acquiring Francis. That didn’t work. Now we have Zach. I again thought it would provide problems on offense. didn’t work.

I as a fan am allowed to mismanage. I’m not being paid millions for my thoughts on the Knicks.

Accountability. You have to produce in this arena.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_70_9JPqR8

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

I agree that we should try someone other than Walsh. That’s why I suggested Mark Jackson or Greg Anthony. They’re playing the Analyst game, biding their time. They are staying close to the business. Give them a shot rather than the retreads.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

It’s been a gritty season. The Knicks are a mess. But right now, Isiah is the right man for the job. He’s the man to take the Titanic to the bottom of the ocean. And he’s doing a good job at that. I thought there’s no way they would be second only to the Heat, but that’s a real possibility.

I feel for you all. This past weekend was my only chance to see the Knicks live and I wasn’t about to waste the money. It’s time to gut the franchise.

But there is hope. With players with heart and a new coack, it can be done.

Knicks defense… thanks for all your hard work. It’s a thankless job.

By Minnesota Knicks Fan on Mar 25, 2008

Walsh kind of reminds me of Glen Sather. Good guy about 10 years past his prime.

By Minnesota Knicks Fan on Mar 25, 2008

This is not a time for a new “experimental” GM. Dolan made the right move in getting a proven basketball mind to run this mess. That you guys think that we should throw a newbie into the position proves how little you guys really know. Experience has to count for something.

Why don’t you clowns who come here to beat up on the host slither back to Hahn’s or Isola’s joint ? I’m sure Dross and Mak miss you.

KD, I applaud your honesty in your opinions and your unbending stance in the face of the blind Zeke-riding masses who masquerade as Knick fans here. What does Zeke have to do in your eyes to be worthy of dismissal ? You guys have been hood-winked and bamboozled by the greatest snake oil salesman of all time. WAKE UP !

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Boy what a Kiss ass #30 is! If you wore lipstick someone’s ass would be bright red!

By Rockstar on Mar 25, 2008

That was for #31

By Rockstar on Mar 25, 2008

Yo KnicksD..

This is YOUR site, bruh….

98% of us appreciate what you do immensely….some folks, well, you can’t please everybody.

Being a Knick fan doesn’t mean blind obedience, or turning a blind eye to the bullshyt and mismanagement…

No matter who he is, or what his color is.

I called for LB’s head when it appeared his ship was “rudderless”, so Zeke will not be spared my wrath.

They are several reasons for the failure of the Knicks in the last four years, but the common denominator is Zeke.

Plain and simple.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is looking at this thing with an acute case of the “pink eye”.

So I say to you, my man Knicks D…

FUCK THE NAYSAYERS!!!

Do your thing, bruh….the lodge is rooting for you!!!

By Bronxboy in Md on Mar 25, 2008

the only reason i take 2 months off is to save you the abuse. the knicks suck

you question me on my handle when yours was “starburyfan”??
c’mon now. lets be civil.

You’re on a higher plane because you’ve succumbed to the faithlessness of the MSM and their readers?

i had respect for you when you had the audacity to be a fan of starbury…now? not so much. now you sound as random as the commenters on berman’s site.

you take on this air of snobbishness when “be a real fan” was always about getting off the “the knicks are a storied franchise” garbage. that’s plain smug and pretentious talk. barf was not about blaming thomas for the state of the knicks. the reason people think nyc is not a place to rebuild is because of the fan’s unique blend of arrogance and ignorance…meaning they are know it alls. mix that with the NY media’s 24-7-365 operation and you have a environment of pure folly. if you are considered an enemy by this press then you are an enemy of the worst kind.

gimme a fuckin break “starburyfan”. quit ur bitchin. you sound like isiah stole something from you…if anything…he’s given you the balls and inspiration to start a blog you probably wouldn’t have otherwise…with a community that no other MSM blog has.

whatever man. you’ve managed to turn a bad season into a terrible season by making kd a fan-driven version of berman’s comment section with your constant, cookie-cutter complaining. So much so that now DROSSMAN is a regular here. HA!

and i’m supposed to be inspired to contribute after youve gone DAFFY DUCK? “Mine, Mine, Mine, Down, Down, Down”?

whatever dude. I’ll be watching. Uninspired.

The funny thing is…and its real funny to me…

Most probably, Isiah’s coming back.

Right? We agree on that?

So what then? An entire off season and regular season of you whining and crying about how old timers and “real Knicks fans” are suffering through atrocities because of Isiah and JimmyD?

Ha. Real funny.

Good luck with that.

By BARF on Mar 25, 2008

how much “experience” did Van Gundy have when he coached here?

how much “experience” did the Phoenix GM have?

How about Danny Ferry in Cleveland? Do you think he was “schooled” before he got his gig? He’s much younger, so it can’t be an age factor.

What about Jim Paxson? How is that working out? Chicago is about to get rid of all of those high draft picks. That’s working out great and he went to, uh, no where. What did you say?

Yeah, you know it all JQ.

It’s that same philosphy why we NY fans have to put up with guys like Larry Brown. Sometimes the old vets of the game have nothing left to give. Sometimes

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

Sometimes hiring someone new to the coaching/GM experience is good for the organization. Someone new is going to work real hard because they have to prove their reputation.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

Those who lost the argument and can’t stand criticism of Isiah, can leave. Without announcing it 20 times to those who don’t care in the first place. If you’re already gone, good.

We can criticize coaches and GMs based on their performance. Look at the record. Isiah’s made losing the norm here for the Knicks. Elgin Baylor has been floundering for years. Billy King…it’s not gone unappreciated, that the Sixers are now stylin’ due to his recent moves. He started poorly in Philly, but he sure turned it around before he got fired. Today, the Sixers have a winning record. Dumars has certainly done excellent things in Detroit. A simple job appraisal is just that.

Where Isiah turned this personal for so many fans, is how he acted and spoke so insultingly, implying the fans don’t know the game, don’t have the right to criticize him, and are actually responsible for his team’s poor performance on the court. That kind of know-it-all, empty talk crosses the line from simple bad work and incompetence, to insult and even malice. Why do so many Knicks fans hate Isiah, or even talk so badly about him? Because in a lot of ways, he started it. It’s undeniable that he’s helped create this extreme antagonism. (I think it’s all he knows. That’s how he played, too.)

As bad a job as Bird and McHale have done–and they’ve done really bad jobs–at least they’ve had the sense not to smear and insult their fans as they went along screwing things up. This year, Bird has sounded as upset and confused as any Pacers fan. Should he keep his job? Probably not. Has he tried to blame the team’s problems on the press and the fans? Not even once.

There’s a thing called competence, and another thing called professional integrity. Some have both, like Dumars. Some have one, like Bird. Some, like Isiah, have neither.

By Mike on Mar 25, 2008

Statesman, BARF & African -

The funny thing is that your posts were both inspired by the same thing that powers KD’s thread! Boredom in the face of an unchanging, uninspiring status quo.

You had an opportunity to suggest new tangents or items of talk that would interest the best community of Knicks fans in the world, and instead you simply bitch and moan about the quality of conversation here.

That doesn’t add anything to the mix. If you think KD is too negative, then shift the conversation to something more interesting and progressive. If you can’t think of anything along those lines, why would you think that KD or anyone else could?

Or continue posting dross….it’s your choice.

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

Glen Grunwald kind of takes a hit in this whole matter. He was brought in to manage Isiah’s front office interests….now Walsh takes over as GM, where does that leave Glen?

Just more bloat in the front office. Reminds me of a coaching staff that doesn’t have a single above-average defender in the bunch.

i hope that source from the Pacers front office is right and this is not a done deal yet. It probably also sours Artest on coming here a bit. =(

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

Geez it’s sad to see the peeps here having at each other over a coach that coaches as if he doesn’t give a damn, and over a City’s whose tabloid journalist continue to pour salt into the wound that is our NY Knick fandom.

It’s like Knick fans who choose to think for themselves are caught between a rock and hard place.

It’s a real shame no doubt!

By Orange and Blue on Mar 25, 2008

O&B, yeah you said that perfectly bro!

Steady had a nice post in the last thread, worth reposting here:
“In all, let’s control what we can control–our emotions and venom/hyperbole against another blogger who may just disagree.”

And my response (REPOST) was:
i will co-sign on post #48, Steady! =)

Too bad you put it on this expired thread, instead of the next current one where African, BARF & Statesman jump on KD for “yet another boring anti-Isiah post”.

Peaceman & KnicksDefense are both worthy of defending from personal attacks though….in my opinion, anyway. Solid soldiers both IMHO.

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

@32…….rockstar you have no insight just rhetoric, in escense, you are a joke.

@36……..Harlem, you I respect. I’m all for taking a chance on Jackson or Anthony for coach, but I’d rather have a pedigreed GM than a start up. GM = experience and head coach = new voice. Thats all I’m saying bro.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

i support Anthony for the GM position, i think he is savvy and has an appreciation for the defensive side of the basketball. i also think he is ego is in check, while Mark Jackson worries me a bit on that score. Plus, if i were a Knick player and Jax started hollerin at me to play some defense, my eyes would be rolling back in my head….

If Walsh comes in it will be to finish the job that Grunwald started: provide Isiah with a strong enough team to realize his vision for the Knicks.

In retrospect, Isiah probably shoulda stuck with Wilkens. Lenny was actually very similar to Isiah as a coach….they’re cool, calm & collected, they let their assistants handle the X’s and O’s while they focus much more on nurturing and supporting the fifteen players on the roster….and managing the media. They are both guarded personalities who exude a sense of style, class and intelligence on camera.

Marbury loved playing for Wilkens because Lenny let a balla ball….he didn’t call plays, he just let Steph & Jamal run up & down the floor and make plays. And yeah….we were a losing ballclub that wasn’t building to anything, but we were competitive at least. Lenny’s won more and lost more games than any other coach in history, so he was past all the concerns on W’s and L’s, his legacy, job security, etc…..the perfect fall guy / caretaker candidate to hold onto the team until it is ripe for ascension.

Oh well. Monty it is. i think we’re starting to realize why he kept Chandler under wraps, though….for all his potential and flashes of skillz, he is still the fourth best small forward on our roster today IMHO.

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

“Plus, if i were a Knick player and Jax started hollerin at me to play some defense, my eyes would be rolling back in my head….”

hahahhahahahahahaha too true. ok then Anthony for coach and Ewing to school our big men.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Actually, i am loyal to the Big Fella….but his body of work as a coach isn’t real inspiring. Maybe it’s because he’s been asked to walk before he can run, and he thinks it is beneath him….in Orlando they say he spends more time watching the dance team than he does working with Dwight Howard on his game.

i would clap and have a big shit-eating grin on my face if Patrick came back, because i think the Knicks can only get stronger with such a warrior spirit on our side. But that loyalty still springs from his service as a player, not as a coach…..if he came to NY to coach, he’d need to step up his game from where it is now.

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

Paul,

They really say that ? I thought that Yao aand Dwight have both elevated their games under his tutiledge. Would you say that is just their natural progression as players ? Tell me what I’m not seeing.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

i’ll see if i can find a quote on the web, but i think i heard it during a game telecast rather than saw it in an article.

Yao & Dwight both have positive things to say about Ewing, no doubt there. i’m sure he’s helped….but whether that’s in the technical mode of a Mark Aquirre showing the physical timing aspects of footwork and shooting motions is another matter. He may have helped just by being a friendly, accessible, serviceable workout and scrimmage partner who has a couple of tricks to share along with a litany of old school advice.

It doesn’t help that there’s not much overlap between Dwight’s game and Patrick’s. Ewing never had the explosiveness and speed that Dwight has. Good thing for Michael Jordan dickriders that he didn’t, because the 90’s sure would’ve looked a lot different if he had.

i’d also be nervous about Ewing coming in on a staff where Herb Williams, his former caddy, would now technically be higher up in the pecking order than the former franchise player. Herb damaged his reputation a bit when Isiah got thrown out this year and Herb looked hesitant and unprepared to sit in the Big Seat. Very out of character for a man who has been built up by the reviled NY-area MSM as a loyal soldier, who works hard and quietly in the background.

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

Pat was a terrible choice to coach Yao because their games were too different. Ewing looked to score in the low block, exclusively, while the strength of Yao’s game is in his passing and shooting. It took Ming half of this season to start distributing the ball well again. Between Van Gundy and Ewing, he’d forgotten it was allowed.

That said, I think he’d be a good mentor for Eddy, another back-to-the-basket guy who could sure use some lessons in professionalism.

By Mike on Mar 25, 2008

@ Mike,
When did you come here? And who the Fuck are you to bid bloggers who have been together for
years a goodbye? Your not qualified to bid anyone a goodbye…you are UNKNOW!
Eveyone has a right to support who ever they want! I support Thomas and I could give a shit
what you think!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

“But Ewing asks that he not be labeled. “First of all, I’m not a big man’s coach,” he quickly corrected. “I don’t want to be pigeon-holed. I just want to be a coach. I just want to be a coach, even though the center position is the position that I played.”
- http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-spknix025598669mar02,0,4985479.story

“(Assistant coach) Patrick (Ewing) gets on me about shooting more hook shots, but if I can get in there and dunk the ball on somebody I’m going to take it every time.” - Dwight Howard

“Setting up some 15 feet from the basket, Howard turned and faced up to his defender and then used a hard jab step to create space. Then, in one fluid motion Howard rose up and kissed a shot softly off the glass.

The shot, still very new to Howard, looked so much like a blast from the past. It looked like… well, it looked like Patrick Ewing.

“In my mind, yeah,” Ewing chuckled. “You know us old guys.”
- http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7530

By PaulNoize on Mar 25, 2008

Paul,

I know the game you are referring to. Herb looked like Bush in the 9/11 classroom film that day. I would think he has to be bumped upstairs in some capacity (ideally)or released w/ Thomas (unfortunately). He is still not ready to sit in the big seat and I honestly don’t think he will ever be.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Peace will soon be starting an alternate site to all those disgruntled KD bloggers at

RidingZekesNutsack.com

Calling all blind Thomas supporters. Sign up today !!!!!

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Terrible

By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 25, 2008

Lives/Cooleyhigh–So true, we men can be emotional sorts.

Gentlebloggers,
We are better than most of what is exchanged here.

KF_L(Love will come back in June)

By Steady on Mar 25, 2008

Ernie Grunfeld would be a much better choice than Donnie. And the worst moves they Knicks made were trading Camby, trading Kurt Thomas for Q,trading Ewing, trading for Curry and trading for Marbury. Hiring Thomas was also a dumb decision.

By edward drossman on Mar 25, 2008

LMAO @ #53…..

“RidingZekesNutsack.com”

By Bronxboy in Md on Mar 25, 2008

John Q,
Go fuck yourself! If you took all your hoop knowledge and shoved it up a bacteria’s asshole…
you wouldn’t have room to double park!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

KnicksDefense,
Why don’t I have a right to my opinion on your blog?
I never put you down because of your opinion!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

John Q

I can’t believe that out of 10,000 sperm, you were the quickest!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Been saving that one peace ? I’m still waiting for the corny drumroll DA-DA-DAAAA. Peace you have to try and get on Dolan’s payroll. Your blind faith is hard to come by and Dolan loves to pay idiots w/ a dream.

The record stands for itself man, open your eyes ! Are you so anti-media that you have to see things from the opposite point of view ? Isola and Berman said Zeke sucks so you have to stand up for him ? Do you see the record ? Do you see the undermotivated players ? Do you see the underdeveloped rookies ? Do you see the substitution patterns he’s been using ? Do you see that the infastructure of a once proud club crumbling around you ? Do you see the bickering amongst the players ? Do you see that they are just not listening to him anymore ? Peace ! Come on man ! Anyone with a reasonable mind can see the facts and you can’t.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Thanks, Defense. I don’t need the help, but thank you. I don’t try to attack anyone personally, because I think that’s beside the point. I like to talk basketball, plain and simple. When I want to talk other things, I go elsewhere (such as, PaulNoize, if you want to talk global warming, gimme your e-mail and I could rap with you a little more). That said, Peaceman’s the least peaceful man here. If that’s a nickname…it’s an ironic one. Fightpicker would be better. I’ve got plenty going on in my own life, family and friends I love, and things posted on this blog don’t hurt me, so I don’t get hot. Basketball’s a sport, man. It’s not my job, it’s not my mortgage, it’s not health issues. It’s our entertainment, and I treat it like that. Even when I’m unhappy with thing, and I’m definitely unhappy with the Knicks.

(Though I’ve often thought that African and Peaceman, especially, should start a site called isiahdefense.com , since that’s their real point. Go ahead and have that opinion, guys, I just don’t agree at all. In four years the team’s gotten steadily worse and that’s all the evidence I need. I don’t think race has a thing to do with this. If there aren’t many blacks among the ranks of good or great coaches and GMs yet in this league, it’s because not enough have gotten the chance, and those who have, aren’t done yet. (Dumars, and Mike Brown, and Doc Rivers, and Nate McMillan, and Moe Cheeks, and Reggie Theus, to name just a very few, are on their way.) Isiah’s had more than a fair chance–he’s had several chances–and he’s done really badly. The Knicks are almost a billion-dollar business. If you had a billion dollar business, wouldn’t you want to pick the best CEO you could find? If the business kept getting horrendous PR, and wasn’t maximizing its revenue (never mind sellouts from discounted tickets. Playoff games and merchandising count too), wouldn’t you want to find a CEO who could turn it around? I sure would.)

By Mike on Mar 25, 2008

Peace,

Come w/ an argument as to why you would keep Zeke. Or would you rather continue saying childish things about nothing ?

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

@ John Q
Like I said before, go back to last years draft…the Buzz was we we going to have an exceptional
year! It didn’t happen….now everything about the knicks is negative! I can’t fault Zeke for
believeing in this group…we all did! WE ALL THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE A SUPER SEASON…so we are
all fools? Shit happens and it wasn’t in the cards for us! It’s no reason to give up or blame Zeke for
everything gone wrong! Like it or not he will be here next year trying to correct what went wrong this year!
This is my team…and I supported Larry Brown right up to the last game he coached here!
I’m not going to join in trashing a man when it’s a popular time! This is my team and I will stand by them
even Zeke! Good things will happen next year! You can’t fire the entire damn NBA, and we’ve been through too
much and too many Coaching changes in the last 4 years..it’s time to stop and circle the wagons!
The players who bring it will be here next year..those that don’t will be gone or let go!
Zeke got burnt by Marbury ….you ever get burnt by someone you trusted? That’a not a crime and he
should learn from it! All this team needs is a slight upgrade and a Floor leader! We will be fine.
We don’t need a worn out retread and a rebuild! That is what will happen if Zeke let go, and all signs are
pointing to him staying! Like it or not that is a fact….so go root for the Nets if you don’t like the coach!
The Knicks NOW and The Knicks 4EVER!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

So Pat Riley is the WORST NBA COACH because the record speaks for it?
What was the Mav’s Record last year and what was GSW?????? The record is deceptive!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Personnaly me think Isiah is the reason the Knicks are putrid this season. If not all most of the blame certainly falls on his shoulders, no doubt.

I’ve been a BIG TIME Isiah Thomas supporter—for those here who know me can attest. But now that we are at the end of the season the Knicks are no better than they were last season. In some some ways i see more regression than progression.

Something that was bothering me this season in watching the Knicks,is Isiah coaches he has by his side. Where is the Ewings or Kareems, even Molones would be nice to help out our bigs.

It’s a very sad to thing to realise that the Knicks season was over as soon as the ABS trail started and ended.
With that trail— the Knick season went with it. Who would think that the NY Giants made me more happy than the the Knicks. A sport that I never played or would even attempt to play. A sport that I’m still trying to learn and all its or plays and players positions.

One more thing: The bickering should stop! Don’t let the Knick bitter season make us go bitter on each other. Because when it gets right down to it, all of us here just want a winning basketball team we can call our own—and then blog at a spot where we can call our own. Knicksdefense.com is the place and NY Knicks is the team. LETS GO KNICKS!!!!

NUFF SAID

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Mar 25, 2008

African,

Thomas is not as bad as Hitler!

Comment by ed drossman — March 25, 2008 @ 1:44 pm

I never made that statement, african made it on my behalf.

One way to make this site better would be for people to log in so they can only make statements as themselves. Maybe make it so people will have to use their actual email to make posts.

Why do Peace and African spend so much time defending Thomas who isn’t a great person and is a terrible GM and coach? Would the defend Brown the same way?

I said I would have hired Ernie Grunfeld instead of Donnie. Donny didn’t do that well with the pacers.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Peace,

Now thats an argument. I love your passion dude, misguided as it may be.

“All this team needs is a slight upgrade and a Floor leader! We will be fine.” I agree 100 % man. I don’t think all of Zeke’s moves were bad. If we get Rose in the draft, Artest by sign and trade and get a C who plays D (Bynum rumors here would say) we will be fine. I still don’t think that Isaih is the man to complete the job as GM or coach. Walsh for GM and Anthony for coach. It will work. The boys aint listening anymore and once you’ve lost your team its time to pack your bags. I still believe in some of Zeke’s acquisitions (minus anyone named JJ) but it was his chess match to play w/ the pieces he got. What happened ? Checkmate. Fresh voices from the bench and from upstairs is what’s needed now. Spring cleaning you might say.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

Let’s begin the transformation by not taking things personal. We’re all cloaked here. We’re talking about millionaires and their problems. They will do what they want to do anyway–DESPITE what we type here at KnicksDefense. And so what if someone defends IT or JD? When or how does one lose that freedom? Let’s move on folks, no drama happening here. Don’t start none, won’t be none.

KF_L(Love won’t live here until June)

By Steady on Mar 25, 2008

Does that mean you are changing the rules? I don’t agree with that. You should respect everyone’s privacy.

It’s a little loud in here today. So what. Every day can’t be kissy-kissy.

I’ve been the biggest IT fan. But, as JQ said, please give me a reason to keep him around.

A good reason.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

I was a little loud because beating up the host is becoming nauseating. He’s mad. So what? That’s part of being a fan. If sports doesn’t make you emotional, why invest your time? It’s part of the entertainment.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

We all will be more civil bloggers tomorrow I guess. We’ll assume our complacent position when Miami is whipping our ass.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

My Have things changed, I went back to last summer and copyed DVJ’s blog about Zeke and the Knicks!
I don’t have the time but most of the people who are calling for Zeke’s head can be pulled up in a different light the same way!
Until you guys stop the blame game this blog will suffer. We should be talking about the draft, trades instead of Blame!
Here’s DVJ last summer, Check it:
Posted by DaVonn J | August 15, 2007 22:38 I don’t know about trading Nate but I guess if Sac wants him….you have to send him along with Jeffries.

Somehow..I think Isiah is going to keep Nate. He really trusts Nate to improve his game each year and so far he’s doing it.

He had a great summer league and I see nothing but a bright future for Nate.

Great points about Lee Alan…I think he WILL BE a star in this league and it’ll be soon. The kid is a gym rat and he wants to get better. Zach is also a gym rat.

Why do we keep getting passed over. The Nets are not better than us and neither are the Raptors or the Celtics.

We had the most injuries as a team last year. If you add up our missed games compared to every other team…it’s not even close.

Jeffries was going to start last year at the beginning of the season. He got hurt in preseason and missed the first 22 games.

Crawford missed 20 something games….

Q missed 20 something games…

Lee missed 20 something games…

That’s more than 80 games right there…

Marbury missed like 15 games…..

Nate was suspended for 15 games…

Jeffries was suspended for 4 or games…

We were a total mess last year towards the end of the season. We were in the 8th playoff spot…then everything started to happen as far as the injuries. Let’s not even include how many games Francis missed.

We will show people this year that Isiah has something special here in NY.

Great point Alan about holding all your chips until the Kobe Bryant situation has passed.

That would be the mega deal that no other GM in the league could top. Unless they made a deal for Lebron LOL….

I keep saying it and I’ll always say it.

Kobe in NY is as big as it gets in sports.

If you don’t think Kobe, Zach and Steph can win the East…your out of your minds….

Of course I would love to keep Lee, Balkman, Curry and Jamal….but we’re talking about the best player on the planet right now. To make the situation even better….he will be the best player on the planet for another 5 years or until whenever he decides to retire.

Like Alan said…the Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas relationship is going to have a lot to do with whether Kobe ends up playing in NY. Plus Phil Jackson is an old Knick (even though that probably doesn’t mean much)…

In order for the Bulls to get Kobe..they would have to send the entire team to the Lakers….Kobe would be better off staying in LA…

If he were to come to the Knicks…he would still have a dominant low post threat and a good point guard. Depending on the trade…Isiah will still have some pieces to make the run…more than likely we’ll still have Wilson Chandler, Nichols…if Curry is apart of the trade…we will still either have Lee or Balkman…

We may package…Curry, Lee, Jamal and Collins and 2 future first round picks…the first one will be unprotected.

That is more than enough to get Kobe from the Lakers…

I don’t know if that trade works financially but it would be a sweet offer for the Lakers.

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Is Walsh brought in to work w/ Isiah or replace Isiah. JohnQ, & Harlem, please explain what Walsh has
done the last 4-years to get the Knicks job? Was it the Murphy, Dunleavy trade for Steph Jackson? Was it
the Pacers record in the drafs? Was he hired because the Pacers have been professionals on and off the court?
Please explain?

HarlemMd,
There are no trips to Disney World for kissing Knee-Deeps’ AZZ. The blog host is not treated any different
than anyone else. He says dumb, whiny shit, and acts like a woman in labor when he is challenged.

Peace & Blessings

Peace & Blessings

By Statesman on Mar 25, 2008

We had a bad day bloggin, Check it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHsMvMXuHeo&feature=related

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Drossman is an asshole!
Check the email address!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

Good Evening Deeeeeeeeeeeeeee-fenders

Got to catch up on the posting. I missed a lot in 24 hours.

@Peaceman,

Your are my man,along with Steady….but,Kobe?….no way.

No Zeke, and no Kobe in 2008-09

I wish,hope I’m wrong and your are right…about Kobe.

Our players are not good assets for a Kobe trade.

By D L T Knicks on Mar 25, 2008

Statesman donnie is not a great choice. Grunfeld or West would have been much better. But why should this surprise anyone? Newsflash, Dolan is an idiot. But I must say that anyone would be an improvement to Thomas. Maybe now the Knicks will get a new coach, like Carlisie, or Mark Jackson.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

DLT,
That was a post of DVJ’S that I copyed and pasted from last summer…it wasn’t mine!
He stated Zeke would make a good showing this year!

By Peaceman on Mar 25, 2008

I don’t get peace and African. Those guys will defend Thomas until their last breaths. But those defenders of Thomas would trash Larry Brown in a second. Why was it okay to trash Brown but not Thomas now? Thomas this might not win as many games as Larry brown did. And I must ask peace a question. Yao Ming is out for the Rockets. You claim that teams with even a few injuries have excuses, yet the Rockets have been able to win without Yao Ming. Why is that?

The Rockets could have cried and gave up, but instead they’re playing very well without Ming.

Crawford missed 20 something games….And he’ll probably miss 20 games next year. Its called injuries that’s why you have a bench of quality players.

Q missed 20 something games…And he’ll miss more games next year. He misses lots of games every year. The Knicks must cut their loses and cut or buy Q out.

Lee missed 20 something games…That’s a shame, but that’s why you have a bench and people like Balkman and Jared.

Let me add this year the Giants won the Super bowl, with the most rookies and reserve players of any super bowl team. Why? Because of injuries. Did the Giants cry about injuries? No they won the fucking super Bowl. The rookies and reserves played a big roll in the Super Bowl win. Jay Alford had a sack, Steve Smith had several huge catches finishing with 5 catches for 50 yards, Aaron Ross provided blanket coverage and Ahmad Bradshaw led the Giants in rushing (45 yards), Zak DeOssie had a HUGE game changing special teams tacket, and TE Kevin Boss had a great game turning 45 yard catch. The Giants had more injuries then any super Bowl team, but instead of crying about them like African and Peace.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Drossman,

Ernie has a great situation in Washington, and he’s not leaving. In the last year he wrestled
the Presidency away from Abe Pollin’s right-hand woman. He runs the entire basketball operations
and the media is not as intrusive or antagonistic in Washington as NYC. Dross wishing for Ernie is as
unrealistic as wishing for Kobe in a trade.

I do not believe that any signing is better than Isiah. The Knicks should not make change for the
sake of change. If change will be made, then hopefully someone that has been productive in the last 5-years will be brought in. West, Walsh these guys are done, look at their last few years and you will see that at best they have treaded water.

Peace & Blessings

By Statesman on Mar 25, 2008

Why is it that states, African and peace would want to fire Larry Brown, who I admit did a terrible job here, when there was no candidates of value interviewed to take the job, but Thomas shouldn’t be fired when there are candidates available, for gm including West and Donnie and coaching candidates including carlisie and Mark Jackson?

Why would these guys defend Thomas who has done nothing good as coach or GM and trash larry Brown, who has actually accomplished great things as a player and coach. Yes Thomas was one of the best NBA players in history, but he’s done terrible as a coach and gm.

Here’s a quote from Thomas on Larry Brown” Larry Brown is not just one of the best coaches in the NBA today, but in its history,’ says Knicks President, Basketball Operations Isiah Thomas. “He has made every team he has ever coached a winner, with a legendary approach to teaching and motivating his players. His value to us as a franchise at this time is immeasurable.”

Yes, Larry Brown sucked here, partly because he lost on purpose as a ploy to get Thomas fired, but Brown actually has a coaching resume unlike Thomas.

States, peace and African would defend Thomas now matter how badly he does here mainly because they aren’t Knicks fans, they’re Thomas fans. Thomas could win 25 games for the next three years and they’d continue defending him.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

I think I have to disagree with you.
If I remember correctly, Jerry West’s last season with the Grizzlies
they won 50 games under Hubie and also went to the playoffs in a
competitive western conference.
Don’t put West in the same league as Walsh. Walsh isn’t even close
to “The Logo”……
I said it before and I’ll say it again…We should bring in West!!!!!

@Peaceman
I remember the day I wrote that post….
I can remember the exciting feeling I had while I was writing it….
It’s incredible how I fell for Isiah’s foolishness and his blame game act.
No more my friend….

Don’t forget to watch Rose tonight.

Change in 08!!!!

By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 25, 2008

States,

Why would I be a suckup to someone I do not know? I call it like I see it. I don’t know KD, have no intention to know him. It’s not about him. You’ve had your claws out for a while. You’re the one saying his posts are boring. You’re the one taking shots at him constantly. I remember you going as far as saying something about his girlfriend. I’m saying it’s unnecessary, that’s all. I don’t give two shits about the man, but I’m courteous. I may be loud, but I’m not going to be disrespectful.

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

Rick carlisle or Mark jackson as coach with Pat Ewing as an assistant.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Peace, who’s winning your bracket?

By HarleminMD on Mar 25, 2008

Donnie Walsh Hasn’t Agreed to Run Knicks

By CLIFF BRUNT – 6 hours ago

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — The Indiana Pacers insist Donnie Walsh has not agreed to oversee basketball operations for the New York Knicks after the season.

“Donnie said this morning there’s nothing clear about his future,” Pacers spokesman David Benner said Tuesday. “When there is he’ll make a statement. He hasn’t agreed to anything with anybody.”

They might not even get Donnie. If they don’t get Donnie, they must get West.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

States,

Donnie was a pretty good GM before handing the keys to Bird and the palace brawl. The Dunleavy trade was to wipe away Stephen Jackson and the stench of the Palace brawl. If he was put solely in charge he would do a good job.

By JohnQ on Mar 25, 2008

The Pacers are just doing their part, saying, Donnie’s next gig is his business, don’t ask us. If they did confirm anything behind his back, it might even lend to speculation that there was some kind of tampering going on here (which there probably was, but nobody seems to want to make a big deal of it). It’s all barely more than speculation at this point. Handshake deals, financial terms not settled yet, exact nature of his authority…so far it’s just a bunch of rumors and guesses. Fun to talk about, sure, but rumors and guesses.

Everything’s strange about this situation, including why Dolan would want to leave Thomas twisting in the wind, if that’s what he’s doing. It’s not like Isiah’s lobbied publicly against Jimmy or anything, like Brown did against Isiah. Never mind the basketball or the players, Isiah’s followed Dolan’s press policy to the letter, and that ought to have earned him some kind of good faith from the rich fat man. It’d be strange for Dolan to punish someone for following the rules he set. This whole situation is weird. “Not a model of intelligent management,” the commish said. How right he was.

By Mike on Mar 25, 2008

HarlemMd,

I do not recall saying anything about his woman, and if I did I am sure it was taken out of context.
I try to respect someone’s women because I would not want anyone to disrespect mine. Knee-Deep
find the quote regarding your woman and you can put my e-mail address out there if you want. Harlem
I do not use claws, bruh.

Obama,
You are mistaken, also look at West’s last few trades and signings, (Troy Bell, Brian Cardninal(MLE),

Dross,
Donnie has not performed, and don’t try and bait me.

Peace & Blessings

By Statesman on Mar 25, 2008

And Thomas has performed? Come on. Donnie isn’t my first choice. My fist choice is West. But the Knicks don’t seem to want anyone but Donnie. In my opinion, the knicks should have never fired Ernie Grunfeld. When Checketts fired Grunfeld, he did so to save his own job.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

States, I’m not in charge of the Knicks’ hiring. If I were, the Knicks would be a playoff team. If I was in charge West would be my first choice.

What I know if that the Knicks need to rid themselves of that cancer Thomas. It amazes me what the Knicks have become. Once a playoff team now people like peace, african and states are proud when Thomas finish in the lottery. I remember when Don nelson won 44 games with time still remaining in the season and got fired. I’d take 44 wins.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Dross,

Ed you are correct regarding Checketts and Grunfeld. You appeare to be fixated on Larry Brown
& Ernie Grunfeld. It is as if we will never forget. Is there a reason why?

Peace 7 Blessings

By Statesman on Mar 25, 2008

There IS a reason for the fixation…Peaceman answered it once. The Ol’ Soul and D L T are not suffering from this condition. Others still stuck at the other place have a bad case of this fixation… Click on the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVXoLQD5FB0&feature=related

KF_L (No Love until come what, June?)

By Steady on Mar 25, 2008

I’m not fixated on larry Brown. I think he deserved to be fired and I said it at the time. But I find it hypocritical that people like you, African and peace trash Larry brown, but can’t be critical of Thomas. If Larry Brown deserved to be fired theb Thomas certainly does also.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Some folks not into tight jeans, open collars, hairy chested with gold chains brokeback pre-quel may prefer this version of the same fixation…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOzCJauEbw&feature=related

KF_L(No Love but a kiss from a Rose would do)

By Steady on Mar 25, 2008

But Larry Brown has a history of doing badly in his first year with a team and then getting better ever year (that is if he stays in one place long enough).

That said, I had the same issues with Brown that I now have with Thomas. Too many starting line ups. Pick a line up and go with it. When you pick a line up and use it often, you built team chemistry. Everyone knows their roles. Under Brown and now under Thomas no one knows where they fit in.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

Nate, Crawford, Zach, Balkman and Lee. That would have been my line up. I know what’s comming next where’s the center. Well, Curry surely isn’t one that can be counted on. I forget who traded for Curry and Marbury and now totally trashes them every chance he gets? I’ll give you a hint, he’s the coach and GM. He also traded, Kurt Thomas for Q, which was a terrible trade.

By ed drossman on Mar 25, 2008

And finally, as I dross the blog and the Defenders with Baygon to whisk away the bad air that the millionaires have brought upon us, let me remind us fans why all this venemous hyperboles come out now/today. DVJ/Anti/BARF, ya’ll got da skills so maybe you could put the music to some vintage footage. Funny that this last selections come from the era when we played like Kings of the fucking hill. We’re still KFH but there’s a cryptonite nugget in our midst. So, get a listen and go back–way back to that feeling. That winning feeling…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Wa4AUkvl4&feature=related

KF_L (Love don’t live here anymore, ’til June)

By Steady on Mar 25, 2008

Re: Posts #3, #77 & #94 by STATESMAN…

Statesman, don’t play the coy schoolgirl with HarleminMd….you’ve been angry and trolling for awhile now. Happy to see your last post had some nutrients to it instead of the usual thin bitter gruel. Everyone in here knows you can bring the goods, so this senseless witch hunting of Folly & KD does little but demean you. As Steady has implied on a couple of occasions, you have better in you…so let it flow rather than focusing on the negative.

No doubt, you have a point on Walsh’s diminishing performance….but he brings something that Jerry West, Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkens et al could NOT bring…..and that’s a track record of having Isiah’s back. Walsh has done that. He’s gonna get a fatty check to come in and make sure that 2008-09 is a do-over for 2007-08…..we’re just gonna pretend this season NEVER HAPPENED, and attack next year with the same personnel and the same schemes because we are that close.

Peaceman, i see your posts about how excited everyone was heading into this season…..just wanna remind you i predicted 39-43. i saw “the core” we are building around will never be even an average defensive unit. No championships lie in that way of thinking. If one or more of our guys decide to “step up” and transform their game, then all bets are off….it only takes one guy to start a revolution! They need help though, and something i always thought was a huge team strength - the largest, highest-paid coaching staff in the history of organized basketball - seems to be slow-rolling on developing our younger players. Is it a lack of desire, a lack of talent….or simply because our young players aren’t as good as we thought they were?

i did not ever think that Zach & Eddy would be so horribly unproductive though. Those guys make Ewing & Cartwright look like Kid & Play!

By PaulNoize on Mar 26, 2008

If Thomas is still coach when Donnie takes over as GM, then I don’t want any part of Donnie.

Thomas has too much power with the Knicks and I can’t figure out why. As a executive and a coach Thomas has done nothing good. Yes, he can spot college talent, so maybe he should be a scout somewhere.

By edward drossman on Mar 26, 2008

It’s time to fire Aguirre.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Emotions are hard to control sometimes. Starburyfan, you’ve done a great job maintaining this site. It is understandable if you cannot continue. Hopefully next season you might get a fresh bust of energy to continue.

The season is lost and the best the Knicks can do to salvage something out of it is to lose more. In 2 or 3 years we will be hailing that star whether IT is here or not.

I for one don’t think IT is the reason the season went bad. The season was lost from the way they started. Last season they started they same way and IT had to wake the point guards up by benching them. Marbs did not revolt then because there was Steve Francis. This year was different, he knew the Knicks needed him. That is how the season was lost. Some people have suggested that IT had to kiss up to Marbs instead of benching him. I don’t buy that. What about leadership and a willingness to win from your star point guard? Any quality point guard would have turned the season around.

No one knows how the off-season is going to shape up but on the management side, I am sure the main reason Walsh was even approached was because of IT. Greg. Anthony and Mark Jackson are not the answer.

There is always next year.

KFFL

By Jazz on Mar 26, 2008

Rick Carlyle is Galactus. He devours franchises and cause their ultimate destruction in a short amount of time. Detroit was beginning to implode when he was dismissed and Indiana is a crotch hair away from a flat line.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

JB,

106 & 108……..both great points.

What the hell is going on w/ Walsh ??? Did the NY media jump the gun because of speculation by BSPN ? I hate not being in the know.

By JohnQ on Mar 26, 2008

Everybody wants to be first. There is no backtracking in media these days. If you get it wrong, f-it because it gets attributed to “sources” which gives the appearance of research and confirmation but boils down to bullshit and what ifs. The more dramatic the headline, the more of a chance they make the front or back page. They could give a rats azz about accuracy.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Excellent point, Jay Bee….the Internet has fragmented attention and advertising dollars, while simultaneously the blogosphere has exploded with thousands of talking heads opining on everything from politics to sports to Janet Jackson’s latest wardrobe malfunction. This has increased pressure a thousandfold for real journalists to get “scoops” at any cost.

One of the problems i have with the KD.Com community’s definition of “the MSM” is that y’all tend to discount this pressure, and instead blame individual reporters for what is an industry-wide problem. It is a perfect storm of ethics, economics and professionalism colliding in a way where AT LEAST one of those three factors must get pushed aside or marginalized.

I’m sure there was a an old-school Knicks sportswriter who never fabricated stories or quotes, never “outed” off-the-record comments, played by the MSG media policies handbook, and wrote fair, objective reporting instead of cherrypicking facts to make them fit a preconceived view of the Knicks. That dude (or lady) probably also NEVER got any scoops at all, and was a prime salary to target when budget cuts came around. Some aspect of these pressures were probed in this Season of The Wire, for instance, and i think the problem is far more fundamental and difficult to solve that just “a few asshole local beat writers” who need to be replaced.

Some smart aleck will probably quip that i am sucking up to Hahn, Isola, Berman etc. - i am not suggesting they get a pass. But i am saying you cannot evaluate or understand their behavior before you first check out their work environment, how the competition handles things, etc. They must produce headlines or die, and milquetoast headlines about how well Wilson Chandler is responding to PT is not nearly as juicy or good for a resume as how poorly Zach Randolph is responding to increased play for the young’uns. Just sayin’.

By PaulNoize on Mar 26, 2008

PaulNoize @#104,

I do recall you going on sabbatical from the blog because you felt misled/misguided by some
of the “Elders” on the blog. Now it appears that you are asking me to be guided or directed by
some of the same individuals that led you astray. PaulNoize, introspection trumps second-hand analysis.
Get a better handle on your situation before you give advice, otherwise, “You Talkin Loud, & Sayin Nutin”.

Noize, I dribbled through the double teams and press that was implied, or directly stated, because my
opinion, is my opinion. Becoming a part of a two-hit wonder has never been my goal, but an invitation
to join the Temptations would force me to reconsider. This does not mean that I am not open to different
perspectives, but I will not co-sign for the sake of co-signing.

As the Knicks are OVERTLY TANKIN, I am disappointed to see that those who rally cry was “In it, til
mathmatically eliminated”, are no longer discussing in-game analysis, and the potential of the current
young players. These same Elders that implied “You are not a REAL FAN” for advocating Lose Now, Win Later,
have been exposed as Individuals that did not believe in the CRAP they were writing (sans Peaceman).
It was PSUEDO FLEXING at best. Where are the Real Fans?

Noize, I will chill for a minute & allow you and the Real Fans sort things out

Peace & Blessings

By Statesman on Mar 26, 2008

Good PM Defenders!

Interestingly, earlier today I was communicated with some Defenders about not chiming in on the THREAD recently because we Have Washed, Rinsed, and Dried the IT, Dolan, the TEAM, any and every aspect and facet of OUR BELOVED NY KNICKS and this disappointing season. And, I for one am not too disillusioned becuase I believe it can and will get better, because to me Failure is not the antithesis of success, but the actual stepping stone in its direction..Now that’s ME!

Clearly frustration has taken hold and losing can cause cannibalization, when fuses are short, or others like to control the conversation and are only interested in being RIGHT, and others seek to blame, pass judgement, be critical and appear complex, or some will prioritize and find more substative things to do with their valuable time. Either way, the discourse on KD has reached a new low today…

On that note, I will drop a little pearl to those that are interested in refoucsing their energies on something else other than who’s Right, who’s Boring, who’s got all the Answers, who’s the BEST Knick Fan, or who can say the worst things about another and then act like they’ve got some sort of SWAG…this bears repeating, ‘IT IS A MOVEMENT, NOT A MONUMENT.” That is what Fanship is all about…The conversion of Fanship to Fellowship is part of that MOVEMENT…After a season long investment of your time, and your posture and interaction remains Static with fellow Defenders, there is reason for PAUSE…

Trust me, those of US that have experienced the CONVERSION may not always agree on a myriad of topics, but the mutual respect and admiration and trust that has been developed is priceless DEFENDERS….I’m AUDI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Today’s Quote
One of the most valuable things we can do to heal one another is listen to each other’s stories.

Today’s Scripture
“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1).

Today’s Word
What are you hoping for in your life today? The Bible says that faith gives substance to the things you hope for. Notice this verse starts by saying, “Now faith.” It’s not “later” faith or “one day” faith. We have to believe that God is working behind the scenes right now. Faith is simply believing that God is a good and faithful God-that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. Can you believe that God wants to move in your life, today? Do you believe He can provide for you need, today? Do you believe He can heal your relationships, today? Do you believe He can give you that promotion, today? Whatever you are hoping for, open your heart and expect that God is working on your behalf. Stand strong and declare that victory is already yours. As you face each day with faith and expectancy, you’ll increase in strength and see God’s hand in every area of your life!

A Prayer for Today
Father in heaven, today I choose to believe that You are working behind the scenes on my behalf. I trust that You have a good plan for me and that You are leading and guiding my every step. Help me stand strong in You, today. Amen.

Until the Next Time Defenders!

Keep it POPPIN!

By Cooleyhigh on Mar 26, 2008

BTW, Jazz and Anti, EXCELLENT POSTS DEFENDERS! I respect the positive attitudes and the willingness to express them!

Keep it POPPIN!

By Cooleyhigh on Mar 26, 2008

Cooleyhigh,
Useful and timely as always.

At the end of the day and alluded in your thoughts here, this matter is not life or death. These are machinations of the millionaires and the scribes who follow them. When one’s belief system and values buttressed by faith get violated, unconditional faith remains. Our courage to stand steadfast on those values is testament of those values built by faith.

The boat show is creating another bottleneck down south but like Rose, the perfume will be better indoors

KF_L (Loving the ones I’m with, not tanking)

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Statesman,
How in the hell do you do in-game analysis, when it’s obvious the team is tanking???
I simply don’t watch them! Fuck tanking! I hope we pick 12th!

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

If Thomas is still around when the Knicks draft, I see him trading the pick for an overrated player who will be injured half the time.

By edward drossman on Mar 26, 2008

Peaceman,
While you’re running point, can we win the million on the re-up? I don’t remember my password so please send so that I can revive my bracket. Sticking with UNC but Davidson and that Curry kid is peakin’ at the right time. Like his Daddy Dell–he’s a streaky one.

KF_L (Love is on the rocks, til June)

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Statesman, little in your post #112 made sense. You say i’m asking you to be lead by others, when in fact i was asking you to provide your own original thoughts and topics for discussion instead of just bashing the topics (and topic-writers) that others came up with.

How you drew the precise opposite conclusion is baffling.

Many have indicated that the Knicks season is so depressing that they’ll limit or cease their contributions for awhile….fair nuff. You face this choice as well as all of us. But to limit your posts to insulting the content level of this blog does nobody any favors. We’ve already got African for that!

i’m not saying you have to quit disliking KD or calling out his posts for being lightweight or repetitive, what i am saying is that unless you contribute something positive in between acting like a douchebag then you are in essence a troll.

Speaking of trolls: Ed Drossman. Still posting the same arguments IN THE SAME PHRASES AND WORDS FROM TWO YEARS AGO! Ed, YOU have to be bored to tears with your own posts. They’re despicable. At least mix up the phrasing here and there, update a factoid with a link supporting your worldview, etc. Tell a joke, if you know any. It wouldn’t make your posts more interesting, but at least they wouldn’t be quite so frustratingly moronic.

And consolidate the three or four thoughts you have into one post at a time please. You’re one of the worst, stubborn, boring, ill-adjusted, guileless personalities i have ever had the misfortune to come across in the blogosphere. Go pound sand.

By PaulNoize on Mar 26, 2008

Peaceman, take that back man. Nobody likes to see evil profit….but picking twelfth?

Come on, man. You’re jinxing us now. Or is it like predicting game scores backwards?

By PaulNoize on Mar 26, 2008

I’ll post what I want, feel free not to read. I just don’t see why ther same people who wanted Thomas fired, want to keep Thomas, who has failed as coach and as gm.

By edward drossman on Mar 26, 2008

I’m going to the game tonight, maybe the Knicks will show up.

By edward drossman on Mar 26, 2008

This Bud’s for you Ed–you tell us! Attaboy! You go now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOzCJauEbw&feature=related

KF_L(No Love but a kiss from a Rose would do)

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

I’m in for the playoff train Peace. Pretty pissed at Jamal’s comments in GameOn where he says that we’re not making the playoffs so it’s o.k. about not getting as much playing time. That SOB confirmed that the tank is on. But I’m no hypocrite. I’m still hoping the kids catch fire. Damn the old heads and their tankin’ ways. They’re dreaming of ping pongs with DaVonn. Hopefully the kids’ll show us something tonight against another tankful organization, Miami.

Lives probably can’t do a pregame to this because there’s no history for the guys playing on either team. So it should be fun. The youngins showing what they’re capable of. But you’re right Peace, we still have the slimmest of margins. LGK. No exclamation points today.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

STEADY,STATESMAN,BRONXBOY,JAYBEE,African….check your emails! ASAP!
Live and Harlem are already in! I sent cooley an invite too but haven’t heard back from
Him!

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

So far Balk is playing great defense. Fred is f-n up a little but is aggressive. Crawford is jacking shots making some 3-9. Mardy had a lazy pass stolen but they’re moving the ball around and are in control of the game offensively. The surprise of the game so far is Randolph Morris. He’s playing comfortable and is being aggressive offensively. Knicks 48-40 at the half.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

There you go Jay Bee. Missed ya bruh!

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Miami comes out strong after the Riley fire and brimstone speech 10-5. Knicks 53-50.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Do that Jay Bee. Those Knick City Dancers don’t look like they’re tankin’ tho.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Mar 26, 2008

Only two points down–running the 4th. Morris should get burn; was dominating when he was in. Free Balkman.

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

The heat might be the only team we can’t lose to because we can’t out tank them if we lose every game left….
so we may win tonight!!!! THE SWEET 16 TOMMOROW…fill out those brackets tonight guys!

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

I’m planning to have a hundred or so alumni come in for a regional meeting this weekend. Gotta feed them, entertain them and get the University’s administration to give presentations. On top of that, I still have a job to do.

I’ve been a busy Bee.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Third quarter was some hot garbage by both teams. Jamal is a flow killer. Zach is out for his and is jacking up threes and fighting hard for rebounds. Jeffries doesn’t have it tonight. Those three are point shavin’

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

I’ll get the bracket done tonight Peace.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Maybe Jeffries should go to Bigman camp or work with Marcus Camby this summer..he’s got the size and handle
to play a lot like him!

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

Lee is playing a strong game tonight.

By Jay Bee on Mar 26, 2008

Riley taking the N B Actors to a whole nother level. Looks like our boys are trying to make a W effort tonite.

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Drama Kings! Damn!!!

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

Doing my bracket now Peace–Sickened by the theatrics.

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Tank looks empty–we MAY get this.

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

We got this! Love has come back for one night. Now lemme see if it can be a trifecta.

KFLL (if only for one night)

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

Bracket’s done! Knicks Won! All is well in steady land.

By Steady on Mar 26, 2008

And what have you learned NY KNICKS AND COACH THOMAS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11BQQvVy8LI

By Peaceman on Mar 26, 2008

Well maybe the Knicks aren’t the worst NBA team that medal goes to the Heat. But they aren’t that much better.

By ed drossman on Mar 26, 2008

I think the Knicks leaned tonight that they could beat a team composed totally of NBA DL players. This isn’t the Shaq, Wade heat anymore, its a rebuilding team that really seems to want the first pick in the draft.

The Knicks have come along way when he have to be happy to beat the worst team in the NBA.

By ed drossman on Mar 26, 2008

peace have we learned that there’s nothing like playing the worst team in the league. It amazes me what Knicks fans are satisfied with. People like peace are happy with barley beating the NBA worst team. Years back we could beat anyone on any night. Now with Thomas, the bar is set so low that people are happy about beating Miami, the NBA whipping post. If you, African and states took your heads out of Thomas ass for a second, you’d see he’s done badly as Brown did. In fact, the Knicks might not win as many games this year as they did under Brown.

Paul, the fact that the things that went wrong with the Knicks two years ago haven’t been corrected is just sad. If you don’t learn from history you’re doomed to repeat it. The Knicks will repeat history until they fire Thomas.

By ed drossman on Mar 27, 2008

Ed, your post #146 showed flashes of you being a living, breathing human being rather than just a spambot with four text boxes to paste at random.

Flashes, man. Don’t get happy. Or rather, do….remember that a blog is unforgiving, there is little nuance to be gleaned from black text on white background, therefore words need to be chosen carefully. i myself tried to be sarcastic earlier this year and i “quit” the blog after it became apparent that the fifty wins scenario predicted by many on this blog did not come true. It was my intention to shed light on the mindset of the overly optimistic fan, and to make a more grounded, reason-based approach to fandom seem righteous. It flopped miserably, because i was not sufficiently skilled to make people see the ruse….they largely took me serious, or just plain ignored me.

In person it is easy to lend nuance to ideas, stories and opinions….in cyberspace it is much, much harder.

In place of nuance, you typically substitute repetition. That’s a one trick pony who waddled out of town into the sunset a long time ago (perhaps it carried the long-gone Kandiman with it?). It serves you no good, nor us (the audience). You should, in my humble opinion, seek another path.

By PaulNoize on Mar 27, 2008

Fourth quarter we were killing them, killing them. Then with about two mins. to go, Ricky Davis and Daewoo Cook start making it rain like Pac Man erasing what was a comfortable nine point lead. Tied the game and sent it to overtime. In OT Miami showed the Knicks what tanking was really about and went back to their script. Wilson Chandler fouled out with a pretty strong game (10 points 10 rebounds on 4-9 shooting). Randolph Morris had a couple of minor lapses but in 21 minutes he had 8 points and 8 rebounds. Zach like I said “got his” 16 pts and 14 rebs on 8-19 not much defense to add to that. Most of those 19 shots was grade A garbage, contested three pointers, shots with two or three defenders draped on his back like a Spartan cape on the movie “300″.

Like I said about David Lee earlier this was a great game for him. He challenged shots, made the hustle plays that earned him his reputation, played pretty good help defense and had a dubba dubba as well with 15 pts and 16 rebs on 7-16 shooting.

Jamal led all Knicks with 24 points, 4 reb, 5 assists. Fred had 4 assists but no other NYK had more that 2.

Fred Jones’ defense was really lacking tonight. For a guy who’s contract ends at the end of the season and should be playing for his next contract with whatever team, he made a few shots but missed assignments all night and was notorious for not closing out on three point shooters.

It was a good night for Ricky Davis 7-10 from three despite being covered pretty well on a few of them.

Balkman’s energy and activity on defense completely dominated the game while he was in but he only played 23 mins.

From the stat line:

16 assists - how a team wins a game that went to overtime with 16 assts is baffling.
99 total shots to their 86.
40% from the field to their 37%
7-20 35% from three to their 15-31 48%. That’s what kept them in the game. We didn’t close out well on the shooters.
20-99 shots were from three where we’re shooting 35% is inexplicable. Zach 0-3 and Fred 2-6 were the jacksters tonight.
Knicks shot 59.3% 16-27 from the free throw line. Cmon man! Wilson 2-5, Jeffries 3-6 were the main culprits.
Knicks with 6 players in double figures in scoring and almost 7 with Morris’ 8 points.

Nite guys, I’ll see you next time.

By Jay Bee on Mar 27, 2008

Re: #137 - Riley’s not acting he’s not ashamed at all. His comments during the game were that this is the way it’s been done since the lottery has been in the league and until they change it, it’ll probably continue the same way. He has also stated in recent weeks that he needs to see if these guys are in the future of the franchise, which makes total and perfect sense.

By Jay Bee on Mar 27, 2008

Rod Strickland trade wasn’t one of the worst trades. The worst trades were the camby, Kurt Thomas and Pat Ewing trades. After leaving the Knicks Strickland did nothing. But Mark Jackson is one of the NBA’s assists leaders. It was a mistake for the knicks to draft Strickland at all.

If Kurt Thomas didn’t get along with Marbury, they should have traded Marbury. Now Thomas will probably get a ring.

All I want from Paul, African, States etc and others is one thing and then I won’t bring up the worst NBA coach and GM ever. Why did you guys trash Larry Brown back then (I think he did a terrible job here), but let Thomas go without critizing him. Thomas might not even win the number of games that Brown won when Brown was here.

By edward drossman on Mar 27, 2008