looking for light in the darkness of last place
March 18, 2008 – 5:52 pmThere are a few positives I take away from the Knicks’ current misery having hit rock bottom of the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference, only ahead of the deliberately tanking Miami Heat.
1. This season has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to me that Isiah Thomas is absolutely not the coach for the New York Knicks if they’re to try and WIN basketball games. The players aren’t buying into the system any longer.
2. With all the losing the Knicks have accomplished this season, there is a good chance Derrick Rose will be sporting orange and blue in November of 2008. They might also pick up Ron Artest if he finds a way to opt out of his contract after this season, although that still seems like a long shot. Getting Rose and Artest would be a great reward for all the suffering this 19-48 season.
3. A new GM might be brought in to correct the redundancies/errors on this roster, depending on “El Duce,” James Dolan. The strategy of Zach and Eddy in the game at the same time on the same team did not work. It failed, it smelled, it set the franchise back a few years to the pace of Larry Brown’s 23-win season. If Isiah goes, I would hate to see Mills and Grunwald stay, that would be like having George W. Bush step down only to be succeeded by John McCain, who essentially will continue the same foreign policies.
As our friend DaVonn Jefferson has hinted, this team needs “Obama” level change in order to become competitive again. Removing the problem of Zach and Eddy should be the first issue dealt with. Defensively, this combo has been a nightmare. Eventually, only a handful of current Knicks should be spared. Most of the current players are not Knicks in the truest sense of the word, but Isiah Thomas Indiana/Chicago transplants that did not step up and produce in the big apple. True Knicks give 110%, sacrifice their body on defense, do what it takes to secure the win.
The leaders on this team are just good statistical players that have no idea how to win a ball game through team play. The players that could/should have been true Knicks have been slowing down. Stephon, Q, and Malik should all probably retire soon considering their limitations on the basketball court. They’re simply not as effective as they once were in this league. A good indicator of who should stay is this: if you are not still on your first/rookie contract, you probably shouldn’t be a Knick long term.
Of course, with James “El Duce” Dolan in charge, what seems obvious to some, may be contrary to the position he’ll take. Isiah could still have the keys to this franchise, through this season, into the next, five years from now. There is no end in sight, no accountability for another season sans playoffs. It was my opinion before training camp started that if Isiah didn’t get these Knicks into the playoffs this season–no excuses, not even natural disasters, awol players, anything–Isiah should go.
So here we are, no playoffs–again. You know what that means to me?
Time to go, coach. You too, GM.
Knicks fans deserve better than 19-48.
105 Responses to “looking for light in the darkness of last place”
You said it, D. I won’t believe Isiah’s gone until he leaves the Garden for good, but here’s hoping. Foundations, blueprints, legacies…just empty talk from a practiced empty talker. I say why wait? Flush the toilet now, Jim.
By Agramante on Mar 18, 2008
I would invite the Defenders here in the community to openly blog about their interpreted
meanings from the jibber jabber coming out of Stern and Dolan. Let’s put the MSM aside for 1 hr.
more. What does that mean when the Lil’ General uses such a strong nouveau term as
transformative when describing the 2009 NYK.
“El Duce”, for the lack of a vocabulary, says that “we will be next year’s version of the
Celtics”. Now that upset me to no end because a true NYer never compares us to NE or NJ–We’re
Kings of the F’n Hill (that’s right Tom). The Dolans ain’t NYers, they just got NY money. And I
ain’t their friend so they could care less whether I or the MSM think they should sell their
major asset. These cats are in business. They will make a business decision. Un/Fortunately
keeping Monty may end up being a “business decision”.
We, the fans, don’t get to know or see everything that goes down with the team unless we get a
scoop, have a connect, or get the intel from an insider. Could it be that:
1. Marbury revolted, rejected, renounced tanking so he set the wheels in motion in Phoenix?
2. Monty knew all along that the season was going to be a tank but he let the world believe that
the team was going to be competitive and actually make the “playoffs”?
3. Curry was the first to learn the tank script so he came to camp uninspired, unfit, and
unprepared for PT? [I had him as the culprit that shall sit when I read/heard him say that it is
up to IT to make the Z-bo/ECity combo work, not himself].
4. Monty had already established the set of events now unfolding as the “vision” into which
“El Duce” bought into lock, stock and barrel?
5. The rest of the world is so suspicious of NY since the “frozen envelope” that everyone was
left in the complete dark about the tank? We the fans at KD were by and large fooled (though
some here with Clintonitis may type vehemently otherwise)? It sure doesn’t look like the NYK ever
recovered from the ABS BS.
6. Decent coaches will stay away from the NYK unless they know there is a commitment to winning
or competing to win as opposed to tank in order to preserve their good name in the sport? Look
at the HOF ABS coach and now Monty who will end up with FOUL numbers of futility in one season?
I suppose I will have all summer to answer my own damn questions and see how this script plays
out. Since I’m in a community and I ain’t know, I thought I’d “ax sumbody”.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 18, 2008
KD…good analysis, right on point,however I wonder if we do end up with Donnie Walsh replacing
Isiah as projected by the media, will he actually want Ron Artest back on a team under his watch.
By Top Shotta on Mar 18, 2008
Yup Steady
That comment about the transformative offseason for the Knicks indicates that there are some machinations behind the scenes that might result in a different script for our beloved Team.
I guesse with the Knicks in TANK mode at this juncture, watching the kids on the squad, and those in the NCAA is the task and endeavor left for those who chose to remain here in Knicksdefense.
I could use some education on the NCAA. I hardly watch but I submitted my email to peaceman so he can put me in his tournament pool. I’ll have to learn on the fly.
Ok everyone get back to me soon.
By Orange and Blue on Mar 18, 2008
Re#4:
You are our lone Orange & Blue. Your cloak is one of the reminders of what brought us here.
Notice how we cover the field. Blogzilla made a blazing analogy with the current political discourse. Everyone is on the Black Magic tip. (Cooleyhigh, still coming up from the depths sunk from Bobby Jr.’ untimely and senseless loss–Dr. Phills is a friend and has not been the same person ever since). JayBee covered El Tigre yesterday. Tman is a Shakespearian: a quiet man.
So don’t sweat the small stuff hermano mio, you already have enough bball IQ to compete and win. Peaceman is running point and will give you a script to follow. Remember that the culprit shall sit so try not to be a culprit
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 18, 2008
@ Steady…
any of those questions cold be Yes! They also could be NO?
From the start of the ABS season….nothing seemed right!
Ron Artest did every thing he could do to get here except
straight out demand a trade to us! The powers that be saw him here
this upcoming year…and may have told him be patient!
The Heat have a lock on the 1…..(the Celtic engima won’t happen)
and Riley would never talk Beasley, he loves Centers! So we could swap
picks in a deal that would give us Beasley or Rose and send Curry with either lottery pick Lopez or Jordan
to Miami for expiring contracts of Jason Williams and Ricky davis and then Williams and Davis and Marbury
to the Lakers for Bynum and whatever it takes under the CBA! A second round pick must be involed for the knicks
to get an Eric Maynor if we take Beasley! Either way next year may be worth the hell we all went through this year!
I blame no one…. it wasn’t in the cards for us this year! My brain is fried…I filled out 25 different bracket from many
different sponsers!I made sure my bracket from Knicksdefense played every angle!
Cooley, Bronxboy, African, Statesman whos your brackets coming? Lives, Steady me and peacemanJR are done!
We can’t see each others brackets till thursday…but I’m sure we will have all the bases covered!
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
UM…how’s your brackets coming! I need a drink! LOL
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
Run a script for O & B Peaceman. He wants some burn.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 18, 2008
Peaceman,
Remember there are two auto-fill options.
1. Go with the pundits and select all top seeds
2. Go against the pundits select the underdog.
Maybe O & B can continue the reverse Karma mantra in bracketology? You’re the PG so run the or a play.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 18, 2008
KnicksD
You are on the money.
I think whoever takes over personnel moves for the Knicks needs to look into MORE THAN JUST TALENT.
WE HAVE TALENT.
We don’t have defense.
We don’t have shot blockers.
Neither Zach or Eddy can stop anyone,nor block shots.Jamal has no defense.
We don’t have winners.
We don’t have Leaders.
The reason KG is an MVP candidate is NOT because of his numbers.It’s his leadership,his intensity that has elevated his team defensively and overall.
We need players who hate losing.
Not players who(like these Knicks) are laughing on the bench WHILE being blown out by Philly,Seattle.
Portland has LESS TALENT,but they play hard.
Philly has LESS TALENT,but they play hard.
Orlando has LESS TALENT,but they play hard.
New Orleans has LESS TALENT,but they play hard.
Utah has LESS TALENT,but they play hard.
We can find talent,…….can we find players who love to play and love to win, and won’t accept losing…like these Knicks.
Go Knicks!!
By D L T Knicks on Mar 18, 2008
O&B check your email!
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
LOL My brother who plays semi-pro ball with Ben Wallace’s brother just joined our group
from Richmond VA! He is a serious college hoop watcher, his name is Major! Still waiting for O&B?
¿La naranja y Azul.. donde el infierno es usted? ¡Si usted necesita Grito de ayuda en sus chicos! Recuerde, después de que usted hiyt la Conexión, vaya a crear su propio paréntesis, entonces Puso O&B en ese paréntesis. ¡Siga los avisos y usted acabará por ver todos los defensores denominan como un grupo! ¡Si usted no sabe aro que colegial toma el consejo Constante y utiliza el auto llena paréntesis para el desvalido Estabiliza como el golpe que el auto llena para los favoritos! ¡Permítame saber tan pronto como su en! …Peaceman
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
JayBEE Your in!!!!! Maybe you should listen to Steady…he filled out the auto fill favorites,
maybe you should fill out the auto fill underdogs….that way we would j=have both bases covered!
It’s up to you bruh!
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
O&B where are you????? Waiting! Do you need another invite?????
Cooley and Bronxboy what up? How are your brackets coming!
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
Since the knicks are done here’s some insight on the Big Dance, good info!!!! Broken down by region!
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=7000926&ch=297975&src=sports
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
This season hasn’t killed my Jones! Anyone remember this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbp5C-5WXM&feature=related
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
My brackets are filled Peace…they’ve been filled since Sunday. Is there anything else I’m supposed to do?
By Bronxboy in Md on Mar 18, 2008
Yeah Bronxboy….Kick AZZ!
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
THE NIT’S are on Right now on ESPN…Damn that was quick??????
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
O&B your not in yet!!!! Whats the hold up?????
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
Hey guys the Knicks are dead but we are not! Check out this Prnak phone call from
a Joe Peci immatator to some unsuspecting Blackman…halarious!!! Check it!
http://www.bigducky.com/prank_calls/joe_pesci.htm
By Peaceman on Mar 18, 2008
More Laughs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXjtbl2y3U&NR=1
also the greateat prank call ever:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5z4Vs26-TI&NR=1
Al Pachino Prank call: http://humor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=humor&cdn=entertainment&tm=19&gps=119_410_1276_654&f=10&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=14&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//ebaumsworld.com/morepranks.shtml
By Peaceman on Mar 19, 2008
LMAO @ # 21….
Peace bruh…where do you find this shyt???
You got wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands!!!!
Keep sendin’, however…:)
By Bronxboy in Md on Mar 19, 2008
Truer words haven’t been spoken in a good while, Steady, seeing as pman has hijacked the knicksdefense blog to be his own bracket pool promo party. Geebus pman, does the phrase, “ease up” ever cross your mind? I don’t know why you don’t start your own blog, you have so much to say.
By Charles Follymacher on Mar 19, 2008
Truer words haven’t been spoken in a good while, Steady, seeing as pman has hijacked the knicksdefense blog to be his own bracket pool promo party. Geebus pman, does the phrase, “ease up” ever cross your mind? I don’t know why you don’t start your own blog, you have so much to say.
By Charles Follymacher on Mar 19, 2008
I’d prefer Peaceman turning KD into a bracketology expo (that may benefit us NYK fans/the community) than slowly opening up the comment section into a negative nelly Berman-esque roundup of Johnny Come Lately’s and doomsayers.
What’s up ya’ll. I’m on Lives-esque hiatus but still keeping up with ya’ll.
Peace, keep up the mighty good work. Thanks for coming up and implementing a method for getting over this losing season. Positive thoughts…mmmmmm. I’m looking forward to the information this KD sponsored bracket pool will net the site. I’m keeping my eyes peeled cuz like O&B, I’m pretty useless when it comes to NCAA insight, so I’ll be trying to soaking up every bit.
By BARF on Mar 19, 2008
BARF, the tornado of negativity that is this 2007-2008 Knicks season is largely of their own making. It is what it is. You can package it up and call it fertilizer if you want, but it’s still only manure. Good thing is, this ain’t a permanent shituation. Can’t possibly get worse, better things must bloom. I have plenty of hope an optimism for next season but for right now it’s perfectly legit to talk about where it went wrong and speculate (tho, with this knicks management, it’s bordering on futile) about realistic options going forward.
pman’s to be commended for all his hardcore rooting til the tank finally crushed him. he’s a defy-the-odds one, fa sho. but at this point, after reading fortytillioninarow posts about the off-site bracket stuff, i’m kinda thinkin he’s gotta have everybody’s email address by now, why can’t it go offline (or in the forum)? i’m starting to get bored of this skip-pass drill now. dag.
By Charles Follymacher on Mar 19, 2008
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03192008/sports/knicks/ax_to_grind_102594.htm
Isiah deserves to be kept on.
Until pre-draft workouts in Orlando, that is.
Let him walk around like he’s going to have say on who the Knicks pick, maybe let some other Garden officals snub him as he walks by.
Then fire him.
That’s exactly how they did Larry Brown, except Isiah has done this franchise dirty for far longer than next town brown.
By knicksdefense on Mar 19, 2008
@ #3 great question.
KD,
How about setting up one of those polls to find out who the Defenders would like to see as the next GM and another one for coach ?
By JohnQ on Mar 19, 2008
Folly ..you own the one opinion I could care less about! Knicksdefense gave me the Keys to
promote a Knicksdefense bracket! THIS IS NOT YOUR BLOG FOLLYMACH….YOU ARE NOT KNICKSDEFENSE!
Who in the Fuck are you to question anything about this blog!The Knicks are Dead!!! So the NCAA tourney
and the Draft will keep this blog alive! BTW I’m sure you bore the fuck out 99% of this blog!
I suggest you go see another all White Harlem boys Choir for $50.00 and maybe that won’t bore you!
Your search for acceptance is pathetic! You will never be one of us no matter how hard you try!
Please don’t post to me or use my name in any of your posts! I want nothing to do with you!
I hope you understand as you are now a Cancer to me! In other words FUCK OFF FOOLY!
By Peacman on Mar 19, 2008
There Has BEEN A BIG post about the NCCA Bracket in the disscussion section!
So any who still wish to enter email me @ PeacemanJR@yahoo.com.
so far we are ten strong and everyone’s bracket will be revealed tomorrow!
I pray I’m boring the hell out a certain cancer!
By Peacman on Mar 19, 2008
Heh. Oh I just now became cancer to you, pman? Riight. Boy, you’re so pissed you can’t even see straight enough to spell your own name.
Ain’t yer blog neither, pman. Last I checked anyway. That was my point. I wasn’t questioning the blog, nor your desire to get a group bracket thing going, but your insisting on polluting the last umpteen threads with it when you already had the email addresses was, for me, gettin mighty boring. I’m sure I’m not the only one who had similar feelings, the ten strong aside. But, whatever man, til the actual owner of the site sees fit to ban me (a ban i will respect btw so no need to post my ips etc if it comes to that KD), i’ll be around to boost, support, cajole, razz and contribute in whatever way i see fit.
If you don’t like it pman, you have at least ten strong who’ll follow you to your new joint.
By Charles Follymacher on Mar 19, 2008
Folly: you had to go there, didn’t ya? the only two people who have ever been banned from this blog are Tom and LGM. I beg anyone on here to differ at any point in time in the short history of this blog.
And though I do agree with you about the excessive postings on non-knick related issues, Folly, it is obvious to me you are a shit-talker, Folly, and a poser of a pseudo-knicks fan, but if I wanted to ban you, you would have been gone, and no IP adresses would have been published because you didn’t request for me to publish them.
And I’m going to straighten out your misunderstanding of the whole statesman episode, because you’re acting like you know everything about it but you obviously don’t. He repeatedly asked me to go into my logs and pull up the comments in question, namely shutting down this blog or has he so idiotically phrased it, “pull the plug.” Now my logs are written a little differently than the way that readers see them here, so if you don’t like how they were copied over from the back end, don’t persist on asking for them, period. I told the kid to look it up himself but he persisted. Now what do you want me to do, go in and edit out things for him because I care that much? I don’t put too much thought into requests from a person like this to begin with, so this goes for you Folly, or any others: Don’t ask for something, and then complain when you get it. This isn’t BK, you can’t have it your way.
By knicksdefense on Mar 19, 2008
Only way the Lakers are ever trading Bynum is if his knee won’t heal up. He & Farmar are up there with Chris Paul & Tyson Chandler as point guard-center combos with potential…though Paul & Chandler are more reality than potential, now. LA walked away from Kidd a year ago. They’re not taking a pick and table scraps from Miami and New York now.
By Agramante on Mar 19, 2008
Hey, where’s that link. I wanna place.
a lotta bitchin and moanin gentlemen.
let’s go mount st. mary’s. knock off big blue!
By HarleminMD on Mar 19, 2008
coach of mt. st. mary’s is a great story. assistant for 10 years, 1st winning season in who knows how long, and the boys play defense, something our knick boys could use.
A real move would be to go for Mark Jackson or Greg Anthony. Indiana’s last few basketball transactions have been horrible, yet Walsh is getting an upgrade. No championship, 1 Finals appearance. That’s what we want?
Damn that. We need Obamaitis. MJ, Anthony or some other true knick. Someone that is young enough to be here 10 years and transform it in 3. Someone coy enough to pull a trade like Stephen Jackson for Troy Murphy (that would be Chris Mullin, not Walsh).
What grade acquisition did Walsh make? It’s been a long time since Reggie Miller. The Dutchman was average also (he played well against us though).
Real change in 2008. Or else I’m gonna jump ship. I can’t withstand a lifetime of losing and I will have to give up on my boys if they screw up the next Prez, GM.
Got to get this right Dolan!
By HarleminMD on Mar 19, 2008
Whoever comes in here BETTER GET ARTEST. Artest is the kind of defender that would make up for 3 deficient defenders by himself. Since we won’t be able to blow up the team immediately, Artest is a great quick-fix. He wants to play savior? Let him. We need one desperately.
I don’t care how much trouble he gets into, we need a 5-star defender and he is it.
A 5-star defender with decent scoring for less than max money? From New York? That’s a layup.
GET ARTEST!!!!!!!!!!!!
By HarleminMD on Mar 19, 2008
Re: #33 - I didn’t know Tom the Troll was banned. I thought he got the message and left honorably. That’s some funny shi+. Good job, KD!! Fucktom and the Cide-deal Celtics!
By Jay Bee on Mar 19, 2008
I don’t see you jumpin’ ship Ol’ Soul. Kinda like losing your NY swagger. How does one do that with a straight face?
KnicksD,
I disagree with #28. The backstabbin’ and tankin’ by the HOF ABS coach was more repugnant to me than this trick by Monty. Differences of opinions make the blog a colorful place.
If the MSM has its way, they will use their “judgement” as to who they would like to call at 3:00 am at MSG. Their Clintonesque remarks about the MSG leadership staff (below JD) come out every time. If the MSM of the daily rags were so qualified to judge/select the next Pres/GM/Coach then why are they not doing so instead of writing gossips and doing candidate promotions for high-powered NBA personnel agents?
I could just see it now–Monty loses out at MSG and then becomes a talking head on the networks who rips into the other guys in the league a la Kenny and Chuck. LMAO.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 19, 2008
KNEE-DEEP,
Leave me out of your Bull-Shyte. I agree this is not BK. Your Threads are more
White Castleist. They go right through you like a Bomber, w/o sticking and lacking
anything worthy of consumption. Hell Knee-Deep, your Threads are very low on the fast food chain.
If you want to take your Threads up to let’s say KFC, add a little more meat. Your Drossmanconian takes
on Isiah Thomas needing to go, has become STALE. I’m sure Dross is wondering if you have aything else to say.
Peace & Blessings
By Statesman on Mar 19, 2008
Amid reports Knicks talked to Donnie Walsh, Isiah Thomas says he’s used to job speculation
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=As1T39X42O_yNpkGuwpJYbWezIx4?slug=ap-knicks-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns
By Anti-NYSportsNews on Mar 19, 2008
As further proof that there is no loyalty in sports, the MN owner threw KG under the bus today and charged him with the offensive foul known as tankin’. He suggested that he is against tankin’ though doing so last year led his team to that favorable lottery position. Go figure! To thyne own self be true!!
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 19, 2008
Steady
I saw that report also.I don’t see KG as the type of player to “tank” games. He seems to LOVE playing too much.
I think the owner is understanding now that his team made a bad deal with Boston.
He should have went out and got more talent to help KG.
You NEVER get full value for a superstar like KG even if you get 5 or 6 young players.
That’e why LAL did NOT trade Kobe.
By D L T Knicks on Mar 19, 2008
HarleminMD check you email! Anyone want to join in the disscussion board as tonight is the last time we can combind ideas!
I’m willing to share any info and listen to any opinions on who to stay away from and who can be bracket killers, and who may be
the biggest Sleepers!
By Peaceman on Mar 19, 2008
Harlem Hollar when your in! I see someone joined named “Ray copland! Please me know who you are
because I don’t want it to be a troll trying to F##K up our group score! If I’m not sure you are a defender with good intention I will have to
delete it!
By Peaceman on Mar 19, 2008
Agreed D L T. He’s got seller’s remorse and was done by the LepraC Oki-doke.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 19, 2008
Harlem @37
I think we all agree with that idea for a long time now.
Artest is a true leader and defender.
We could motivate this young team by example on the court.
By D L T Knicks on Mar 19, 2008
Look what we’ve started here Defenders. Now we’ve got Yahoo Sports talking about tanking. I just read the comments from Glenn Taylor D L T.
Besides suffering from seller’s remorse, he dons the veil of hypocrates. Get a load of this quote:
“Let’s be realistic. We’ve never been lucky,” Taylor said, laughing. “That’s not part of the plan, but let’s hope that happens. I’m not counting on it.”
You think he don’t know about the NBA scriptologists? $#!+++++++++++++++++++ we’re counting on it too in NY and so is Miami.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 19, 2008
Taylor’s made his own luck. He probably doesn’t want to recall the name “Joe Smith”. He was talking purely out of jealousy, and all he’s done now is ensure that virtually every Minnesota fan will hate him, those who don’t already.
By Agramante on Mar 19, 2008
Peace I’m not in yet. I just tried. No passcode.
By HarleminMD on Mar 19, 2008
Change in 08!!!
By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 19, 2008
Harleminmd Check you eemail again, I sent you and MODI the same invite and MODI is in!!!!
Remember just go to create a group and put yuor Knicksdefense Name (Harleminmd) and follow the prompts!
Ask Bronxboy to help a brother out! He got in quick!!! Kepp trying ..you have till 12:oo noon!
By Peaceman on Mar 20, 2008
Damn gotta go to work…check you guys out tonight! Harlem I’m going to send you multiple invites till you get it right!
CYA tonight! Good luck guys!
By Peaceman on Mar 20, 2008
Good Morning Defenders.I’ve been pretty busy with my new job but I am blogging at this moment to say that if and or when Isiah Fudd is replaced I’m hoping that the media ban at the Garden is still in place for the Asshola’s and the Lawrences and the Lupica’s of this world because those scumbags need to be beaten within an inch of their lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because Zeke has failed miserably at his jobs still doesn’t make me think any better of those Tabloid Turds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just Bloggin’. KFFL!!!!
By George M. on Mar 20, 2008
Woww. Well, what can I say, KnicksDefense. Obviously my one off-handed remark didn’t warrant all that blather in #33 so I’m going to assume you were really using that as an excuse to try to explain that situation again for others here. Smart move, politically. I’m sure there’s lotsa people who still thought that a sketchy move and I’m only slightly more popular than George Bush around here (well I’m supposing
) so why not kill two birds.
In point of fact, I didn’t know much about the IP incident at all. I missed the post where you put up the numbers. I heard about it after the fact, from second, third party observers here. As far as i could tell, you were beefing with Statesman and some how, some way, his IP address got posted up for all to see. From the reactions it didn’t come off to me that Statesman requested that info be published and it certainly didn’t seem like he was half-expecting that move. Anyway, the info was taken down pretty promptly and the furor seemed to die down in short order. That’s about all I knew of it. You’re right that I didn’t know all the whys an wherefores.
If you’re saying now that buddy specifically, explicitly requested that his IP address be published to the blog, then I sit corrected and you are to be commended as a man who follows customer service requests to the letter. If that wasn’t the case, you should know you prolly came off mad trifling and disproportionately vindictive to any reasonable lurker. With blog hosting (should) comes responsibility.
Now, I was not requesting nor expecting a ban, KD. The sentence, minus the minor IP ribbing went, “But, whatever man, til the actual owner of the site sees fit to ban me… i’ll be around to boost, support, cajole, razz and contribute in whatever way i see fit.” I was talking to pman, dude. It wasn’t about you.
That line did have the benefit of prompting your honest opinion of me tho: “Folly, it is obvious to me you are a shit-talker, Folly, and a poser of a pseudo-knicks fan…”
Holy crap. Wasn’t expecting that. Sure, I didn’t imagine I was one of your favourites (in retrospect your last comment to me was certainly a big clue ). But if you’d asked me to guess before today I woulda thought your feelings hovered somewhere around ambivalence. But, obviously, that’s not so. No, that’s a description for someone who’s a flea’s tit away from formal troll status. And seeing as you’ve only banned formal trolls, mebbe I wasn’t so far off with that off-hand remark afterall. Man, irony’s a bitch.
AFAIK, we’ve never had a beef tho, yes, we’ve disagreed in the past over dnice’s supposed arrogance (small note, dnice’s attitude is the same one displayed by Carl Landry when the Rockets brainstrust was thinking of demoting him early in the season. sometimes the bravado ain’t false). But if there was anything else, you kept it to yourself, til now.
I could give a fuck about what Affy an pman think of me. Those highpriests of hyperbole are just like me, guests at the party. But if the host feels that way, hey, I’m not Statesman, where I’m from that means you’ve looong overstayed your welcome.
As I’ve said before, I only joined this community to help support beleaguered Zeke. A guy at work kept trashin him using words like, “worst ever” and such, and I instinctively wanted to defend yet another Black man being castigated (essentially) for being in a “thinking man’s” (read: White man’s) role. How could he possibly be the worst ever?! I mean, what’re the odds of that? I was positive it was mostly racially-motivated bullshit and I sought a community that was ready to properly defend his moves against the MSM propaganda.
I was reading Hahn’s stuff for a minute before the “wacky” incident and I was all hopped up to support the move here. Turns out Hahn did at least have a decent point about “alpha dogs.”
Anyway, thank god for MODI. When I finally got thru his Book of Isaiah, I could rest. In the very beginning I wanted to defend Zeke (and KD) against all comers. As a little time went on, I began to question some of Zeke’s moves. Tried to hold off as long as I could, but before the New Year, I’d had enough. Thanks to MODI’s work, I felt I had a solid, thoroughly researched argument that Zeke was not in fact the worst ever GM, that he was more the victim of a freakishly horrendous starting point. Now I feel that, on balance, he’s a middle-of-the-pack guy, but a guy who will never put together a championship team. I can live with that. Lotsa White dudes have and are doing worse.
I’m not my parents generation, who support every prominent Black person no matter what they’ve done (or not done). OJ did it and so did Michael Jackson and R. Kelly. There, I said it. Big deal. Way I figure, there’s plenty of other Black coaches around doing a great job, I’m ok now to bounce pass a defence of sly Monty.
KD you did get one bit kinda right unfortunately. I was here originally more as an anti-MSM guy than as a huge Knick fan per se (tho they’ve never been less than a top 4 favourite, even when Canada finally got teams). As a kid I always dreamed of living in NY, but now I mainly view it (and America, generally, even tho I have so much family there) as just a cool place to visit from time to time. So, no, I’m not a KFLL (well, not as #1).
Even with that admitted, your words, which Obama’ll tell you do matter, are clearly meant to highlight/emphasize my ‘otherness’ (and, duh, in an objectionable light wrt the aims of this site). For me that amounts to a soft ban and so I think it’s high time I take the cue and wrap up this lil experiment. It was my first foray into a sports fan blog/space/community and a lot of it was fun. But it’s just as well that I wind it down now. Tis the season for tanking and my ignorant ardour for Zeke has plummeted. Also, I strongly suspect this frequent bloggin stuff is best suited for single folk and/or folk with preternaturally patient spouses/chilluns — it’s addictive! At the end of the day, I’ve learned some valuable lessons and I hope others here have too.
Be good to each other.
****
If you get down and you quarrel everyday,
You´re saying prayers to the devils, I say. Wo-oh-ooh!
Why not help one another on the way?
Make it much easier. (Just a little bit easier)
Say you just can´t live that negative way,
If you know what I mean;
Make way for the positive day,
´Cause it´s news (new day) - news and days -
New time (new time), and if it´s a new feelin´ (new feelin´), yeah! -
Said it´s a new sign (new sign):
Oh, what a new day!
~ BoB Marley, Positive Vibration
By Charles Follymacher on Mar 20, 2008
States!!!
Stop reading my mind!!!
Folly is a bitch!!!
KD just alienated his only kiss-ass poster!
The ship be sinkin’
By African on Mar 20, 2008
the Zach Randolph trade to Milwaukee was vetoed by the Bucks owner.
By knicksdefense on Mar 20, 2008
Knicks news? Disagreements? Changes? Does anyone at this point cares? Last I checked, the truth hurts. We are abysmal. Sorry. A laughing stock. To make matters worse, we have players on OUR Knickerbockers who want out and it’s not the overpaid bums on the bench. How do we fix this mess? I will tell you how but I’m not paid to do that job. Get real people, in real life if you have four years of poor performance you job is in question. Zeke’s job is on the line here, like it or not and better yet, including myself, we must get over it. It has not worked. Quitters, sulkers, softies, I can go on and on. Bottom line we must blow this ship up, NOW!!!!!!!
By Vic Corbit on Mar 20, 2008
word up, Vic Corbit.
here is some multimedia on IT found through The Big Push:
http://www.sny.tv/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v222062.c22206.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/22206/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/22206/2008/daily/03/031808_dnl_citi2_400.wmv&type=v_free&_mp=1
http://www.sny.tv/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp?w=mms%3A//a1503.v222062.c22206.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/22206/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/22206/2008/daily/03/031908_sn_knicks_400.wmv&type=v_free&_mp=1
By knicksdefense on Mar 20, 2008
Good PM Defenders!
I thought I would drop a little soemthing for the Mind, Body, and Soul.
Today’s Quote
Don’t regret growing older. It is a privilege denied to many.
Today’s Scripture
“Let your eyes look straight ahead, fix your gaze directly before you.” Proverbs 4:25
Today’s Word
In order to fulfill your destiny, you have to know your purpose. You need a plan and then you must work that plan. You should wake up each day knowing where you’re headed, which direction you’re taking, and what you are going to accomplish-and then stick with it! Don’t allow the distractions and busyness of life get you off course. Ask yourself, “Is what I’m doing moving me towards my God-given destiny? Am I staying focused? Is this my purpose in life, or am I just wasting my time being busy.”
Proverbs 4:25 says keep your eyes fixed straight ahead. Don’t look to the left and don’t look to the right. Don’t be distracted and spend your time and energy on things that are not helping you fulfill your destiny.
A Prayer for Today
God, help me focus on your purpose for my life. I want to have a plan everyday to live out your will for my life. Help me to order my days to fulfill my God-given purpose. Bless my steps, God! Amen.
KD, like LIVES and many other posters here, I want to thank you for creating a place where many have come to share their Fanship for OUR BELOVED NY KNICKS…You’ve done GOOD, when you didn’t have to Do at all…I have always been a firm believer that TIME REVEALS ALL THINGS, and the IMPOSTERS and PRETENDERS usally can’t hide for too long…Corosion eventually reveals itself…AS LIVES so eloquently expressed in his last post, JOB WELL DONE…Nothings perfect KD, and none of US OUR either, but at least you tried…And you have my RESPECT for TRYING and DOING…FAITH without WORKS is meaningless…just like CRITISISM without CONSTRUCTIVE ACTION…
@Peaceman
Headed to TOURNEY! Thanks for pulling US in on Yahoo…You’ve gotten good support…Well the GAMES have begun…LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLL…
@LIVES & BARF,
If you’re peeking through the back door…I MISS YOU GUYS ALREADY…LOL
Keep it POPPIN!
By Cooleyhigh on Mar 20, 2008
Harlem,
@36……… Can’t that be attributed to him handing the keys to Bird ?
By JohnQ on Mar 20, 2008
Jay BEE you need to pick a winner in the finals. Hurry because you left it
blankl!
By Peaceman on Mar 20, 2008
Jay BEE, Bruh you need to pick a winner in the finals. Hurry because you left it
blankl!
By Peaceman on Mar 20, 2008
Well Peace, now i am glad i didn’t enter the pool because one of the few upsets i went for was Temple….that isn’t turning out so well for me. College hoops is a different beast, and ya gotta do your homework hardcore to get it right. Good luck in your brackets! =)
Folly, you’re a cool cat in my book. Many others disagree, but God gave me my own eyes to see and my own ears to hear. At least you can walk out after handing them a whuppin’ a few weeks back (SHAME on them! LOL!)
KD, my thanks. No qualifiers. Great site.
Vic & George, i agree with #54 & #58, but don’t you know that this subject has been deemed “Stale” and is not to be discussed. Any more tired “fire isiah” rants from you, and you’ll get the “KD Treatment” from Steady!
Actually, a scenario which has NOT been discussed that much is kinda sickening: hiring a new GM and keeping Zeke as the coach!!!! That would almost be the worst move of all….i’d rather see a whole new team or another year of the Isiah Era than see an overmatched, disinterested Isiah tuned out by his squad. If he’s on the bench next year, he HAS to be the man upstairs, too, or else its yet another wasted season.
Agramante, i think Taylor’s comments were “misheard”. He never suggested that Garnett tanked games by playing at “Eddy Curry Speed”®, only that Garnett tanked THE SEASON by not suiting up for the first five games. Admittedly a dumb statement. Taylor has never been known as a great thinker, and now he has done a good job of convincing the sporting public that he has no class, either. Well done! i just think his statement has been heavily distorted by the MSM. Anyone who looks at Garnett knows that he is a man’s man who plays the game to win simply because that’s what you’re supposed to love to do! He gets it, 100% completely gets it. We should break him off a piece to come speak to the Knicks’ players about “playing the right way”.
DLT, i agree we need character guys. Mind you, Layden’s clubs had character guys, and they were scrubbitylicious. We just need a couple of minor tweaks, where we sacrifice a little bit of talent in exchange for a better attitude, or a skill set that better complements our core. Our core being four guys (Nate, Jamal, Lee & Zach) who seem very intent on staying below average defenders for the rest of their lives. One of them got to go for a more fundamentally sound equivalent.
Finally, i clicked on Knicks Knation for the first time in months, and i see that Isola has stooped to posting pics of hot chicks to drum up readership. Granted, Padma Lakshmi is smokin hot! A couple of bottles of wine and a screening of that hot new movie Fitna might be just the ticket!
By PaulNoize on Mar 20, 2008
Peace, I’m locked out of the pool..how do u get back in???
By Bronxboy in Md on Mar 20, 2008
Just dreamin…
We ship Marburys contract and our firstrounder to Miami for Shawn Marion.
Jamal Crawford and David Lee to Washington for Gilbert Arenas.
Zach Randolph and a future pick to Clippers for Elton Brand.
Eddy Curry and Fred Jones to Philly for Samuel Delambert.
And then we sign Ron Artest.
Gilbert Arenas
Ron Artest
Shawn Marion
Elton Brand
Samuel Delambert
Bench
Nate
Q
Chandler
Balkman
Jeffries
James
By maestro on Mar 20, 2008
Focccccccccccccccccccccckkkin’ job!!!!!!!!!! I dropped the ball Peace. My bad big time.
By Jay Bee on Mar 20, 2008
We ship Marburys contract and our firstrounder to Miami for Shawn Marion, not going to happen.
Jamal Crawford and David Lee to Washington for Gilbert Arenas, nobody wants Crawford and they’d want more for Arenas.
Zach Randolph and a future pick to Clippers for Elton Brand not going to happen.
Eddy Curry and Fred Jones to Philly for Samuel Delambert.
And then we sign Ron Artest. Yeah because everyone wants Eddy Curry because he’s proven he’s an asset to NBA teams. Not all NBA teams are as charitable as the Knicks. Teams can be made up of ex knicks.
By edward drossman on Mar 20, 2008
Antonio mcdyess, Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas and Nazi Mohammad etc. The Knicks a like a charity. My bet is the Knicks will trade their lottery pick for an aging play
By edward drossman on Mar 20, 2008
Wait, Wait Wait
I can’t believe that nobody here is talking about the new site created
to lure Lebron here in 2010.
They said it’s a gift basket that will include a ferrari, suite tickets at
Yankee stadium (The new one, not the one now) and additional salary.
I think this subject needs a new post LMAO.
I can’t believe that guys….I’m trying to find the site now.
If somebody has it….PLEASE SHARE!!!!!!!!!!
Am I crazy to think he will be a Knick?
Somebody help me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 20, 2008
Oh yeah…here’s the story from realgm….my fault!!
NY Fans Create Site To Lure LBJ To Knicks
March 20, 2008 - 5:06 pm
Akron Beacon Journal -
A host of New York fans have created a “charity” site to help lure LeBron James to the Knicks when he becomes a free agent in 2010, according to the Akron Beacon Journal.
The donations will go towards a “welcome gift basket” that will include a Ferrari, a suite at Yankee Stadium and additional salary. [READ]
By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 20, 2008
Re: #64
Noize and Jabberwocky from Poop Scoop McGoot! The daily rags have all the crotch shots.
By Steady on Mar 20, 2008
DVJ, hypothetically, no doubt LeBron would be welcomed here, but LeBron will probably get a better gift basket from Nike should he come to the NYC. It isn’t mine to say, but that stuff should probably be auctioned off to charities who need more than LBJ.
then again, would be nice to have LeBron in orange and blue for the rest of his career…
I’m not holding my breath!
Let the knicks focus on the things they can control first and foremost.
By knicksdefense on Mar 20, 2008
Peaceman
Thanks for getting me out the invite.
I was very busy this week and didn’t even get a chance to sign up or fill out a bracket.
I whish all the Defenders who are participating in the NCAA Tourney Poll the best of Luck.
Steady
Thanks for looking out bruh.
Eres como tu dices el rey del pico!
Got to catch up on some reading.
By Orange and Blue on Mar 20, 2008
@Maestro #66
I’m dreamin’ with you.
If only you can get Donnie Walsh to make those deals.
By D L T Knicks on Mar 20, 2008
OPP’S you guys are down with that? WTF…Lets find our OWN next superstar!!!
Somewhere out there …. is the next unnoticed Bernard King, or maybe someone on level above Lebron!
Fuck him! We will be allright!
By Peaceman on Mar 20, 2008
My bracket was busted with that KState win. Beasley outdid Mayo.
Force MDs hooking up for a great debate on HBCUs. Holla atcha boys.
KFLL
By Steady on Mar 20, 2008
For the defenders minus Folley’s fooly azz we did great tonight! Here’s the brake down!
Standings
Knicksdefense Group!
Rank Bracket Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Semis Championship Points Possible Pts
1 African 14 - - - - - (UCLA) 14 190
1 Bronxboy 14 - - - - - (North Carolina) 14 190
1 STATESMAN 14 - - - - - (UCLA) 14 188
1 Steady 14 - - - - - (North Carolina) 14 184
1 Jay Bee 14 - - - - - (No Pick) 14 158
6 knicksdefenders 12 - - - - - (Georgetown) 12 186
6 Knicksdefense * 12 - - - - - (Clemson) 12 186
6 major peace 12 - - - - - (UCLA) 12 184
6 LIVES 12 - - - - - (Memphis) 12 166
10 MODI 11 - - - - - (Georgetown) 11 187
10 Cooleyhigh A 11 - - - - - (UCLA) 11 187
12 Knicksdefense 6 - - - - - (Louisville) 6 164
Note Peaceman is # 6 as Knicksdefense with a *, with Clemson as my final! Congats to all the defenders in this tourney!
We represented and it will only get better from here!
NOTE: The last team following the name attached ie…Cooley.Bronxboy, Lives…iec…is the team predicited to win it all!
Tomorrow we will kick AZZ again!
By Peaceman on Mar 21, 2008
Fuck LeBron, peaceman?
More like fuck Isiah Thomas.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/03/20/2008-03-20_knicks_may_move_soon_on_pacers_ceo_donni.html
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03212008/sports/knicks/dolan_gives_isiah_pep_talk_102843.htm
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/ny-sphow215621465mar21,0,1720153.column
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
Thomas playing for Knicks’ future—whether he’s part of it or not
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhT_NUoJdYRcj7RbZUewdvyLvLYF?slug=ap-knicks-thomas&prov=ap&type=lgns
By Anti-NYSN on Mar 21, 2008
You know, despite the Steady frontin’ i will post some Knicks thoughts….
i think Mark Jackson is pretty sharp…i could like him as coach. He, UNLIKE ISIAH, has a Knick history. For some reason, i never stopped thinking of Isiah as a Piston, even with Toronto & Indiana.
But the thing is….how do i say this delicately? Aww fuck it…Jax was one of the worst backcourt defenders to see regular minutes in a Knicks uniform in the last twenty years. This is the guy who we task with reinvigorating one of the league’s worst defenses? Although at least Mark kinda shimmied over the bullshit screens rather than jog underneath them, more often than not. But i’m sayin’. The guy has no experience on any level coaching, - frankly his interviewers should wanna know who his lead defensive assistant is gonna be, and what his gameplan is for improving the current roster’s ability to play at both ends. There should be detailed individual offseason plans. Balkman probably shouldn’t spend all summer jacking up threes, for instance. =)
Walsh? Meh smells like an old stale white man to me. What have you done for me lately, Donnie? His hands were tied on the Jackson/Murphy trade though - he was ordered to make that deal. Indy sure will look like a nice, professional, Aryan squad next year once they get rid of the guard with two a’s in his first name. i dunno that they make the playoffs, but Mike Doleac should probably think about hooking up with them, plenty of pick and pop oppurtunities there. =)
i’m kind of rooting for Greg Anthony. Could Jackson work for Anthony though? That dynamic could be funny as hell.
By PaulNoize on Mar 21, 2008
Peace, i agree with you on Artest, fuck him….if he wants to put his money where his mouth is, he can walk away and sign a 5 year MLE with us. He almost definetely WON’T do that after being underpaid for years and years, and the cost to acquire him legitimately would probably include either Lee, our first rounder this year or BOTH (!) - so we’re better off just forgetting about him. Fuck it. There’s a good chance whatever team gets him will be sorry in three years, anyway. =)
Yeah, i know he would look DOPE in the orange and blue, but those Balkman and 2nd rounder pipe dreams are killing me. Artest will bring back real value this offseason for Sacto, unless he goes absolutely crazy and takes way less money to sign the MLE with us. i just don’t think it will happen.
By PaulNoize on Mar 21, 2008
Noize,
@84……..that second paragraph was perfect. You could’ve taken the words right outta my mouth.
Then in your 3rd paragraph, do you have to take a racist swipe at Donnie Walsh ? Why can’t you just say old and stale and leave out the white part ? I swear some of you here will never miss an opportunity to put down white people. Of course you are rooting for Greg Anthony ! He has absolutely 0 GM experience but he’s the right color ? Can you give me ANY another reason why you would choose him over Walsh ?
@85……..I agree that Artest won’t be had for nothing. What if we put together a package of Balkman, a 2nd rounder and Jones or Maliks expiring deal ? I think that would be enough to get him over here.
By JohnQ on Mar 21, 2008
Knicksdefense,
I think your recent deprivation of Thomas comes from him burying your favorite MARBURY!
“None of these players he made millionares have lived up to there part of the bargan, quote by Gus Johnson.”
Marbury was the team Cancer this year! Thank God he will never wear a Knicks uniform again!
Next year we will be fine! COACH THOMAS AND ALL!
By Peaceman on Mar 21, 2008
Peace,
Here’s how the Knicks can win. Drop Q, drop Jerome James, use jared as one of the last players off the bench, make one starting team and keep it ie Nate, Crawford, Balkman, Zach and Lee.
But that won’t happen because Q and Jared have something on Thomas, which is why they still get playing time. They probably have the same thing on Thomas that Thomas has on Dolan.
The criticism that I hear about Brown is that he used too many different starting line ups. Well, Thomas has done that also.
You have to pick one starting team that sick with it to develop team chemistry. If Thomas is coach next year, I see the team having the same problems it had this year. I see Q starting again and Jared being first off the bench. I see Lee and balkman in the rotation after Jared.
But I must ask you peace, wasn’t it Thomas who traded for Curry and Marbury? Wasn’t it Thomas for traded for Q? And wasn’t it Thomas who featured so many starting line ups that it made your head spin.
Yes, Brown did a very poor job as Knicks coach, in fact, I think he was losing on purpose as a ploy to get Thomas fired, but Brown has a resume of building teams. If you look at his teams, they all have gotten better in the second, third etc year that Brown was there. Thomas is good at drafting people, but has no resume of building successful teams. It fact in every position he had after his playing days, things blew up in his face.
By edward drossman on Mar 21, 2008
I simply don’t buy that at all. I subscribe to the Stephon Marbury scapegoat theory 0%.
Marbury has been gone and the knicks still can’t win.
Excuses for one year, maybe. Excuses for four years? hell no.
Isiah Lord Thomas traded for Marbury, lest you forget.
Unless you want to pin that on Scott Layden, for things he was “thinking” about doing before he got the ax in more wins and fewer games than Isiah has been granted in New York.
Isiah is the ultimate machiavellian office politician.
He’ll always find a way to fuck over his “buddies” to look good when the boss comes down from the top floor while people are asleep at their desk. Make someone look bad to make yourself look good. Those of you that have worked in an office environment in NYC before know what I’m talking about.
Isiah was going to get canned when LB was tanking in Texas and Isiah flew over to Texas (and not to scout in europe as he was scheduled to) to make sure Jim Dolan understood that it was Larry Brown’s fault and not at all his own.
Wolf tickets. I don’t buy them. You can invest in them all you want, however.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
I think Peace and African either work for Thomas, or are totally in love with him. Well peace to a lesser extent, because after the Celtics improved themselves, he jumped ship. When the going gets tough, peace gets going.
Peace and African can’t find anything wrong with the way Thomas has coached, yet the probably still are critical of Brown’s coaching. Newsflash, Thomas hasn’t done any better as coach here then Brown. And Thomas also failed as a gm.
By edward drossman on Mar 21, 2008
Great comment knicksdefense — March 21, 2008 @ 4:30 pm. I agree but people like African and peace will defend Thomas no matter how bad he does.
By edward drossman on Mar 21, 2008
If you look at Thomas’ work experience after his playing days, you’d see that he screwed up royally every where he’s been. Yes he has a nack for finding players in the draft, but then he doesn’t play them enough ie balkman and Lee or makes stupid trades, Kurt Thomas for Q and getting Eddy Curry.
I find Thomas ability to double talk amazing. When he got Marbury, Marbury was the best thing ever. Now Thomas trashes Marbury to no end. When he traded for Curry he was thrilled and as Curry’s firstr season progressed, he said Curry was an “all star.” Then there were all the coaches that Thomas hired and fired. And the players that Thomas likes, ie Jared and Q, do nothing to help the team.
By edward drossman on Mar 21, 2008
People forget that Thomas traded for Curry and Marbury, two players he now trashes.
He hired Lenny and Larry, whom he now trashes. And only likes players who have shit on him, Jared and Q. Yes Thomas can spot players in college, so many he should be an NBA college scout somewhere, but he should in no way, shape or form be a coach or a gm.
By edward drossman on Mar 21, 2008
Ed you can say that again!
Wink wink( Does he need me to tell him that?)
By Anti-NYSN on Mar 21, 2008
Jerry West!!!!!!
Jerry West!!!!!!
Jerry West!!!!!!
Change in 08!!!
The Clintons are devious (spell check) !!!!!
Are they forgetting that they have to work with
Obama after the election also?
It’s like she’s a republican !!!!!
Talk about Isiah trashing Brown, Marbury and everbody else,
what about Hillary trashing Obama? She probably won’t trash
McCain (spell check) the way she trashes Obama.
Anyway, Isiah needs to go….nuff said.
By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Mar 21, 2008
msg crowd wakes up from its slumber only when juan carlos navarro comes in. reminds me of the maccabi tel aviv game in the preseason versus the knicks. it was a home game that felt like an away game.
knicks down six points in the first to the memphis grizzlies.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
neither breen nor clyde can hide their disapproval of Isiah Thomas, and they’re controlled by Dolan.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
I’m afraid to watch….but I’m gonna.Knicks down 39-34
By D L T Knicks on Mar 21, 2008
DLT: they beat us last time, if I’m not mistaken. the difference is, tonight chandler and randolph morris got the start, and zach randoloph is in street clothes alongside eddy curry and stephon marbury.
chandler is active so far on the glass.
morris had a good block in the first quarter.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
they’re doing the wave at the garden.
this time last season I was in the stands with them.
not this time.
66-46. knicks losing to a bunch of nobodies.
perfect score to do the wave, right?
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
Tankers ….can’t watch this shit! The Knicks may be fined it’s so obvious!
By Peaceman on Mar 21, 2008
For shame! For shame. The love is gone–just a fan. Can’t reject the franchise, just the tanking action I guess. To paraphrase Tman, “nothing good comes from doing something bad.” Not watching, just tryin’ to stay on top of the F’n hill.
KFL
By Steady on Mar 21, 2008
knicks making a comeback.
rudy gay is doin’ it on both ends of the basketball floor.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
don’t know about some of these other knicks, but chandler looks like a keeper.
By knicksdefense on Mar 21, 2008
Zach Randolph, Quentin Richardson and Malik Rose joined in from the Knicks’ bench during the wave during a timeout with 2:37 left in the first half.
i like this outta Zach, Steph never showed that little kid ability to say “aw fuck it” and join in. Naw, he’d just drape a towel over his dome and look pissed. Those handful of times doomed his legacy here in NY as much as anything he did on court, IMHO.
In an alternate life, i hope Stephon works for a Japanese company in the 80’s and HATES having to sing the company song during the pre-shift 5 AM calisthenics!
By PaulNoize on Mar 22, 2008