Knicks at Hawks

29-28 Knicks

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Lee is having an off game tonight…rare!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Back door Nate to zach!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:12 pm

The Knicks look GOOD! You can tell they feel comfortable out there with each
other…much more than ATL!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Balkman should be in NOW!!!!
He is the Taz that can out run this ATL defense
that may be worse than the Knicks!!!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Knicksdefense…in case you missed it….
Tito Jackson is playing for the Hawks tonight!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Zach the Warrior!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:24 pm

I have a funny feeling Curry’s going to have
a super game tonight!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:26 pm

THIS game is deceptive…the knicks should be up by 10!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:28 pm

Good D by Curry!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:28 pm

We have the Jet and penis head calling the game tonight!
Fuck….where’s Breen as an up grade?

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:30 pm

lol
sorry i’m late Peace

We do look good tonight.
We just have to keep up the momentum.

Let’s Go Knicks!!!!!!!

By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:32 pm

Duuuuuuuuuh somebody could’ve came over to Bobcats at Knicks and warned me that there was a new post but noooooo.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Bloggin’ by myself over there. It was starting to get glitchy too. Maybe that’s when this one came up.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:49 pm

whats up guys!!

We looking good tonight.

Peace we have a hard ass schedule coming up next week but I do
see where your coming from. Starting March 12 we have a nice
schedule.

Jay Bee, don’t feel bad I did the same thing a few games ago.

LMAO

By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:51 pm

52-51 Knix.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:55 pm

bibby is going nuts on us right now.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:58 pm

double-post offense is working against ATL. Curry is playing well offensively. If we can only play D…

By HarleminMD on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Defense is no longer being played. ATL got a memo during halftime, whoever is being checked by N8 shoot over his little azz.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 8:59 pm

We need Balkman’s energy right now.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm

What the hell is wrong with LEE tonight?????

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:06 pm

We just have to MAN up …weak azz pass by Lee!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:10 pm

We’re in trouble. But maybe we’re not. Richardson appears to be hurt. Balkman?? Oh yeah!!

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm

we had a good first half though! maybe tomorrow we can get two good halves!

By HarleminMD on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:11 pm

Jay Bee…I posted a new blogg @ you???
I guess you were getting your Jiggy on? LOL
New Paint Job? LOL!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:12 pm

LEE sucks at D!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 pm

77-74 ATL.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:13 pm

David Lee being victimized tonight letting guys shoot 3s. Get ya damn hands up.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:15 pm

We are Knocking at the door….we will get it done!!!WATCH US WORK!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:15 pm

I guess Isiah isn’t going to use anyone on the bench tonight.

By HarleminMD on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:16 pm

ATL’S gonna GET GOT!…Da WIRE!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:17 pm

WHERE IS TAZ??????? TAZ TAZ TAZ TAZ TAZ!!!!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Q is healed. No Balk tonight. 81-78 Hawks.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Crawford has taken 19 shots already. Not good.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm

If you’ve got On Demand then you know the next ep of the Wire is going to be ridiculous. Ya heard. eeeerrrk. Two episodes left and a lot of loose ends to tie up.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:22 pm

3 point game…time for Crawford the Killer to take over this GAME!
Craw have your Gat … unlock the GLOCK!!!!!!! Game OVER!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:22 pm

That’s the only spoiler I’m giving though.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Fast Fred…..The Knicks must take it @ ATL…We are 4 real yo!!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm

81-80 ATL. If we start playing D, we are in business. Steal by Fred!! Score!! We’re up 82-80.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Now we have to start closing out on the 3 point shooters.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:26 pm

JAY BEE OMAR is DEAD…SO IS ATL!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Jeffries playing solid defense.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm

TITO Jackson with the foul!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Crawford with the steal. Bibby with the foul.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Crawford with the assist to Lee followed by a block by Jeffries.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:31 pm

88-83 Knicks.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Having one defender on the floor (Jeffries) is making a difference.

By HarleminMD on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:32 pm

David Lee is not being careful with the ball. Another sloppy pass stolen. Do they have his granny in the basement tied up or what??

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:33 pm

88-88 after an Atlanta 3.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:34 pm

Pull Lee, he’s tired.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:35 pm

I don’t know who just called that time out but we needed it.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:36 pm

MAN UP KNICKS…..WE CAN’T let this one slide when The Jet is Talking out
his AZZ!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:37 pm

This game is crazy!!!

By DaVonn Obama Jefferson on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:38 pm

WE need Crawford to step up NOW!!!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:38 pm

We’ve gone into our predictable end of game offense. Give Crawford the ball. If he’s doubled give it to Zach. We’re shooting jumpshots when we need to be crashing the glass.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:41 pm

91-90 Knicks. Deee-fense!! clap clap Dee-fense!!

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:43 pm

We are up 1…lets close this shit out111111

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:44 pm

Whoreford having a career night with 20 points.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Why is Q back in the game???

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:47 pm

WHAT A BULLSHIT FOUL ON CRAW!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Bad quarter by both teams.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:48 pm

30 seconds left. Bibby hits 94-91 ATL. Jamal killed us with ill advised jump shots.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:51 pm

Where’s N8??? We need a 3.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Zach with a bum Mr. Freeze move. Hawks hustling harder. Jeffries having a great game is on the pine.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:55 pm

LEE HAD HIS HEAD UP HIS ASS! ALL NIGHT!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Hawks closing us out from the foul line.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:57 pm

A game we needed. A game we should’ve won.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:58 pm

FUCKKKKKKKKKKK

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:58 pm

SH1TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Final score 99-93.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:00 pm

zach played 45 very active mins. somebody jab an intravenous in ‘im.

By Charles Follymacher on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

I’m pissed. I need coffee. I don’t even feel like looking at the boxscore. Nite guys.

By Jay Bee on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Get those ping pongs balls ready—the Knicks need to be where Miami is right now.

If they gonna lose let them lose big!!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:02 pm

The game changed when Lee threw that pass away when were up five.

By Top Shotta on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Lee and Craw did a poor job of finishing this game. We went downhill once Lee throw that cross-court interception unnecessarily. Jay Bee is right, David Lee should have been pulled. No athlete wants to admit he is tired. That’s what a coach is for. That was a game we needed.

Bibby knows how to end a game.

Did any of you guys see Devin Harris run roughshod over the Bucks. Of course, if the Knicks had beaten the Bucks it would have been because the Bucks were missing a ballboy or something. Nevertheless. Harris and Diop make the Nets a new team. Not good enough to beat Detroit, but good enough to separate themselves from the bottom of the back and to be better than Toronto. I guess Frank won’t lose his job anytime soon. Some people just get lucky. Rod Thorn was patient and got what he needed.

Oh well, the magic number draws closer.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:05 pm

Bad news we lost…good news is the Bulls are going to lose
And GSW are gonna wax Phillys azz @ 10:30!!!!!
18-40 for the knicks…… the Fat lady is far from singing!
Lee and Craw played terrible! Lets get a win tomorrow!
it will make up for tonight!!!!!!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:06 pm

TILL THE END!!!! No quit …no tank!

By Peaceman on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:08 pm

I’m not allowing myself to believe the Knicks can make the playoffs like I did last year—-then to be utterly disappointed at the end of the season.
Didn’t watch the game tonigh—but kept tabs on NBA.com—losing a close games are never easy for these Knicks this season.

Guys understand these knicks are inept and missing keys players for us to be a winning team. Primarily DEFENSE.

I’m already looking pass this Knicks season and looking forward to draft nite, baby!!!!!

Lets Go Knicks—Lets Go A Good Pick(not your nose)

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Peaceman,

We cool and everything but why are do you believe in this losing team the way you do.

For the whole season they haven’t shown they can turn it around and win more that two or three games in arow(even that’s sometimes a challenge for the Knicks). I know anything can happen—but I’m not holding my breath for it to happen or I’ve been dead a long time ago. (Like five games into the Knicks season)

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Saw the game.

Agree with the take that Lee’s cross court pass that went astray killed the Knick’s foward momentum and put the Hawks back in the game, which they eventually took.

However, you could have called more than one moving pick on the hawks.

Shit pisses me off.

There was some good ole Atlanta home cooking tonight.

Hey is it me or does Josh Childress look like a dirty Qtip shwab?

He’s far from rough and tough with his afro puff.

Night ya’ll.

OBTW did Orlando play today?

If they did then they’ll be in the sam situation as us which at least won’t have us playing a rested team.

By Orange and Blue on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:17 pm

Hey Anti

All we can do is dream…

dream dream dream that the Knicks either make the miracle run or hit this years big lottery draw.

But I still aint for tanking the games purposfully this year.

I hate that the NBA rewards the likes of Miami. Again the N.B.A. needs to rework its lottery rules to add additional disinsentives to tanking teams, and reward competing despite a difficult season.

By Orange and Blue on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:20 pm

I think the team’s playing harder now because they’ve tuned Isiah out. They know he’s just an ornament on the bench so they’re playing for themselves.

By Agramante on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:28 pm

Orange,

I’m not really into tanking the season—-and the Knicks are still getting paid a lotta momeny to play and at least try to win—but I think they allowed themselves to lose to many games to pretend they can all of sudden start winning then become playoff bound. I’m not that much a positive thinker at this point.

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:30 pm

Anti,

I root for the Knicks and believe they can win, because how I “express” my fandom changes when the emphasis is on a lost season or losing. Personally, I alwasy concentrate on winning and or the possibility of winning or improving to win. Such an emphasis provides me energy for other parts of my life. Losing sucks. I don’t like to lose and I don’t accept losing. If the Knicks surrender, I will give up expressing my fandom with such energy and with the Knicks as a daily priority.

I agree that there is a point in time when expecting the Knicks to lose is logical and makes sense. WE crossed that point a long time ago. I admit that it is more likely that the Knicks will to make the playoffs this year than last year. I also admit that it is more lokely that I will not win the lottery or sell enough product to pay off all of my debts. I admit that before Barack Obama won a few states in the primary that it was unlikely that there was going to be a Black president in the White House. I admit that before Edwards dropped out of the race there was no way that a women would be president. I admit that I have spent much of my life praying and wishing for the improbable and impossible, like the Miracle Mets and the 2008 New York Giants or Joe Namath beating Morall, Unitas and the Baltimore Colts.

I don’t deny anyone the right to manage their expectations or emotions by conceding defeat before it actually happens. I don’t blame people for evaluating what they see, instead of expending energy on what could be. But that’s not what has worked for me in life on any level. I don’t admit defeat until it is over and even then I try my best to redefine the end to fit my purposes. I will not root against my team until the end is clear, not near. When I admit defeat, I will move on to my next opportunity for victory. That’s the way I am made. That’s the way I operate.

So folks can call me, Peace, O&B and all the other die hards whatever they want. Accepting losing does not fit our DNA. We don’t need to accept losing to manage our expectations. We expect winning. Once losing happens, we move on to expecting winning in the next go round that’s it.

I may miss ten shots in a row, but I am not afraid to take the game winner because I believe I am made to win no matter how much I lose. I don’t give up on a loose ball just because a player is closer. i don’t give up on a rebound becuse a player is 2 feet taller. I don’t give up on anything when the objective is to finish a winner.

I am not afraid to win. I am not afraid to believe that I can win until I lose. And guess what, my opponents need to be afraid of me. Very afraid. And that’s how opponenets usually are about people who believe in the core of their soul that they will win no matter how bad things may appear. Ask Tiger Woods. Ask Michael Jordan. Ask Donald Trump. Ask Johnnie Cochran. Ask anyone who believes in the improbable.

I won’t hate you because you don’t believe. I won’t hate you because you think my fanaticism borders on lunacy. You are probably right. But I know there is a chance that you are wrong. I like that chance. I believe in that chance. I will always believe as long as there is a chance; not a realistic chance. a chance. I am a fanatic and I am proud of it.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:45 pm

And so that we are clear. I don’t ever declare myself the winner of any competition. I don’t need to. The loser knows even as he is screaming to others “look at me, I won.” Winning defines itself and creates a new power and energy towards more winning.

And even then on a personal level, winning is just a temporal state. It is a moment in time that begs you to move on ASAP and get the next victory and the next and the next. Winners are addicts. They hate losing. They feel it to the depths of their soul forever. You ask Michael Jordan what he remembers about his career. I bet you in private it will be that one shot he missed that still bothers him; that championship he didn’t win. Ask Magic the same thing and he’ll remember the season he came back from injury and screwed up enough to keep the Lakers out of the Championship.

The Knicks are still in it, but I know that every lose pushes the playoffs farther and farther away. When that end comes, I will find somehting else to do with my time; something that is about winning in one form or another.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Feb 29, 2008 at 10:56 pm

The Knick have been playing hard consistently since January 13 when they bruised the Detroit Pistons and then through the five game West Coast swing where they lost five games in January. They have not been playing hard because they tuned Isiah out. In fact all indications are that they are paying attention to their coach, running the plays as he calls them , doing what they can to get out and stay out on the court. They clearly have not tuned him out and it is not clear to enyone that the man who is both GM and Coach is an ornament. He is still the boss and he still controls a major part of their careers and the development of their market value. It only behooves them to play within his system as hard as they can. What is clearly happening is that they are learning to play together and that Isiah is learning to coach this group of players.

While I am personally dissatisfied with their play and teh coaching, I do recognize the improvement. the problem is that we saw improvement last year and accepted that as a promise for this season. The promise never came. Qrich was not healthy, Eddie was not in shape, Isiah was not focused and not ready or willing to be a good coach, and Stephon was not ready or willing to be coached. We sucked. But any suggestion that the team is playing well because they are not paying attention to Isiah is dead wrong.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Feb 29, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Later.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Feb 29, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Lives,

I read everything you wrote and the attitude you’re conveying is more the person you are personally than about these inept Knicks. Example, notice how many times u wrote “I”. Now if you was speaking from your point of view as “I” playing on this current Knicks team—-then I would have reason to believe. The thing is I don’t think many of the Knicks feel the way you feel. Or, perhaps they do but their talent is not matching with their ablilities. I’m not any more or less a die hard Knick fan as anyone here. Just that our indidviual priorities on how we feel about the Knicks right about now is not the same.

You believe in the Knicks, and so do I.

We both believe in the “P’s”.

You believe in the PLAYOFFS and I believe in the PING PONGS!

SEE WE BOTH BELIEVE!!!!!

LGK!!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Feb 29, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Anti, I love you and there is nothing you can do about it.

You are absolutely right that the answer focused on I. But your question to Peace asked for an answer focused on “I”, not the Knicks. You asked “why do you believe in this losing team the way you do.” We agree with the obvious as stated by the record; the Knicks are currently losers. You asked why I “believe” losers or those believed likely to stay or be losers receive my faith. You have my answer.

When the Knicks collectively think as I have expressed, they will be on the path of champions. I wish I could transfer my belief to Eddie Curry. He does not believe and Isiah has been unable to get him to believe. The Knicks don’t believe that their teammates believe in winning. But I believe that one is not born with a winning attitude or a winning vision; a stable vision is born from effort and results. It is an internal hunger that is like a famished beast. A winning attitude is relentless and ultimately unwavering. The Knicks do not have that, but I believe they will. Yoou believe it won’t come till the luck of theping pong balls provides a winning attitude. I won’t protest your vision. I won’t denounce your vision. If it comes to the ping and the pong, I hope you are right — perhaps it is as likely to create a winner as a trade or adding one or two pieces through free agency. I don’t know. But I know that I will not be satisfied with a a ball being sucked to make my team a winner next season.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Mar 1, 2008 at 12:01 am

AntiNYSports,
You ask “Why do I believe in this losing the way I do?”
Anti ….why don’t you believe?
I love my Knicks Anti…and as long as there is a chance
for the payoffs …No matter how small…I will covet that chance!
Let me ask you a SERIOUS question……. would you want to be
in a Hospital that says “Fuck this person…their Dead and don’t Know it.”
Lets get the family’s consent for transplant organs!

Or would you rather have your loved ones or yourself in such a Hospital that ignores the
over whelming odds and sees Life.. not the odds. against.. even though not blinded.. you go the extra mile
and don’t quit until GOD/Allah/ Buddah/ the Supreme being decides?????
I’ve seen Miracles …and one is worth 1000 negative outcomes!
The Knicks are my Family ….. While there is life I will always hold out hope
until the END! The Knicks still have Life and you ask me why I don’t KILL THEM?
Anti ..you take the easy way out, I’ll hang on till the last point, whistle, time out!
Hypothetically speaking whom amongst us would have you if their life depended on it vs My Postion?
Damn…. I’m Glad your not responsible for people’s lives…and BTW…the Meek shall not inherit
the EARTH! The Path of least resistance is always the easyest to walk upon! I don’t go down that PATH!

By Peaceman on Mar 1, 2008 at 12:07 am

First off, no one should feel too defensive about believing good things will come from the Knicks this season. It’s an admirable quality/trait to continue to believe in the positive in the face of overwhelming negative “reality.”

It’s all good
There is rational belief and irrational belief. If it’s over something that doesn’t really affect your day-to-day life, I don’t think it matters a great deal which kind of belief it is (rational or otherwise) if it’s about something positive (we will ignore the annoying conundrum that wishing “positive” for the knicks will necessarily mean “negativity” for their opponents ). Expecting a string of wins (hell, expecting any win) from the Knicks, at this stage of their development, is hardly calling on the four horsemen.

Is it “rational” for someone stricken with a particularly deadly form of cancer to belieeve s/he’s gonna beat it? Possibly not, but who’s it gonna hurt? If it works out, the person gets to live! Nothin wrong with that.

So irrational belief in Knicks success this season is not a big deal, it’s not hurting anyone. Mebbe it’s like the kind of belief a mother might have in her troubled multiple-offender son, that he can work it out and be somethin one day. Nevermind that the odds say he’s likely to end up living out his life behind bars (and if he’s Black, the odds are scary enough as it is, just comin outta mama’s chute). No, nevermind them daunting odds, she is gonna BELIEVE that he will wind up a positive contributor some day anyway. Can’t hate her for that.

Sometimes you beat the nearly-100%-fatal cancer, sometimes the badass child winds up the famed civil rights lawyer. More often you wind up the losing side of the Alamo.

But at the end of the day, mebbe the real difference between the “they can still win it” camp and the rest lies in the idea of control/influence.

The mother crying over her wayward child might still have some influence over the behaviour. The deadly-cancer-stricken person has no choice, if he wants to live, but to believe he can win b/c the alternative is DEATH (setting aside the very real data that suggests mindset can have an effect on serious illness).

barkley and jordan in their playing days had a lot of control over what they did during a basketball game. But there is a very good reason why they are no where near as successful in gambling as they were in their basketball careers, despite their very confident, positive outlook on life. It is the reason why you have insurance for yourself and your family because belief that things will work out in the end is not always enough.

Lottos aside, strong and firm belief in positive outcomes is necessary to success, but it is not always sufficient. I’m not sure that belief in oneself should translate to belief in things/people/events over which you have little or zero control. There might be something to the “collective will/belief” idea but I’m not convinced it works all the time. Especially not when you’re dealing with an extremely stubbon owner and general manager/coach. Interventions don’t always work.

Froma Knicks fan perspective, we have little control over this gaggle of fragile egos. They have shown us time and time and time again that, collectively, taht they do not have the stuff this season to win more often than they lose. One game it’s a crawford brickfest, the next it’s a bad pass by Lee, in another it’s Curry’s lack of defensive jump, in some others it’s zeke’s coaching; sometimes it’s all those things, but it’s always somethin. The boat has too many little leaks and not enough fingers to plug them.

Now if you choose to ignore that “reality” and believe til the math lops off all possibility, that the Knicks can/will turn the ship around, then there’s nothin wrong with that. It just shouldn’t be the attitude that defines fandom.

Oprah has this one line that always stuck with me: whenever someone shows you who they are, believe them.

The Knicks and Obama are showing you who they are. BELIEVE THEM.

As always, jus’ bloggin. Good morning all.

By Charles Follymacher on Mar 1, 2008 at 10:43 am

www.KnicksDefense.com

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