Comments on: Crawful down the stretch http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:31:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Charles Follymacher http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20546 Charles Follymacher Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:49:27 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20546 yes Steady, I forgot to add "<i>fighting spirit</i>" (or effort) to go along with the right mindset. don't think it changes my general gist, but i agree being a suck/wuss severely curtails the degree of success. p.s. i've finally given up trying to figure out dolan. the man's inscrutable. yes Steady, I forgot to add “fighting spirit” (or effort) to go along with the right mindset. don’t think it changes my general gist, but i agree being a suck/wuss severely curtails the degree of success.
p.s. i’ve finally given up trying to figure out dolan. the man’s inscrutable.

]]> By: Steady http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20545 Steady Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:00:34 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20545 Say...could someone look up the MSG schedule come around playoffs time? Blogzilla, here's an assignment for ya: When is the Dog Show coming to town? What about Ringling Bros. & Barnum & Bailey doing their schtick in da NYC? Following Lives' Logic--Marketing Outpaces Player Moves--we can know how far off Monty and Magic were in their playoff card or is it Stern and Dolan who are really on-to-it or is it intuit? (ChuckFm might bite). KFLL Say…could someone look up the MSG schedule come around playoffs time? Blogzilla, here’s an assignment for ya: When is the Dog Show coming to town? What about Ringling Bros. & Barnum & Bailey doing their schtick in da NYC? Following Lives’ Logic–Marketing Outpaces Player Moves–we can know how far off Monty and Magic were in their playoff card or is it Stern and Dolan who are really on-to-it or is it intuit? (ChuckFm might bite).

KFLL

]]> By: Steady http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20544 Steady Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:50:20 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20544 Peaceman, Re: # 3--I see it the same way you do in #2. You could have considered it a given because I am Steady. ChuckFM, Useful post. Great use of Dr. Angelou's quote. The missing ingredient from your expose or "mini LAP" is EFFORT. The Bible calls it "Faith without works". Very useful. KFLL Peaceman,
Re: # 3–I see it the same way you do in #2. You could have considered it a given because I am Steady.

ChuckFM,
Useful post. Great use of Dr. Angelou’s quote. The missing ingredient from your expose or “mini LAP” is EFFORT. The Bible calls it “Faith without works”. Very useful.

KFLL

]]> By: Peaceman http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20543 Peaceman Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:14:35 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20543 Here's an interesting quote from Curry via Isola: Curry was more direct about identifying the source of the Knicks' problems; he blamed the media. "The season could've gone very easily the other way if we stayed together a little bit and not let the media tear us apart," Curry said. "I think we're doing a good job right now of, keep fighting." Here’s an interesting quote from Curry via Isola:
Curry was more direct about identifying the source of the Knicks’ problems; he blamed the media.

“The season could’ve gone very easily the other way if we stayed together a little bit and not let the media tear us apart,” Curry said. “I think we’re doing a good job right now of, keep fighting.”

]]> By: Peaceman http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20542 Peaceman Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:07:17 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20542 Interesting article, http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11101--Does_the_NBA_Really_Have_Playoffs_-260208 Interesting article, http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11101–Does_the_NBA_Really_Have_Playoffs_-260208

]]> By: Charles Follymacher http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20541 Charles Follymacher Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:55:19 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20541 p.s. i believe oprah got that line from maya angelou. credit where credit is due. p.s. i believe oprah got that line from maya angelou. credit where credit is due.

]]> By: Charles Follymacher http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20540 Charles Follymacher Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:47:31 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20540 <b>*** REPOST!! *** </B> First off, no one should feel too defensive about believing good things will come from the Knicks this season. It's an admirable quality/trait to continue to believe in the positive in the face of overwhelming negative "reality." <b>It's all good</b> There is rational belief and irrational belief. If it's over something that doesn't really affect your day-to-day life, I don't think it matters a great deal which kind of belief it is (rational or otherwise) if it's about something positive (we will ignore the annoying conundrum that wishing "positive" for the knicks will necessarily mean "negativity" for their opponents ;-) ). Expecting a string of wins (hell, expecting <i>any</i> win) from the Knicks, at this stage of their development, is hardly calling on the four horsemen. Is it "rational" for someone stricken with a particularly deadly form of cancer to belieeve s/he's gonna beat it? Possibly not, but who's it gonna hurt? If it works out, the person gets to live! Nothin wrong with that. So irrational belief in Knicks success this season is not a big deal, it's not hurting anyone. Mebbe it's like the kind of belief a mother might have in her troubled multiple-offender son, that he can work it out and be somethin one day. Nevermind that the odds say he's likely to end up living out his life behind bars (and if he's Black, the odds are <a href="http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/uploadedFiles/One%20in%20100.pdf" rel="nofollow">scary enough as it is, just comin outta mama's chute</a>). No, nevermind them daunting odds, she is gonna BELIEVE that he will wind up a positive contributor some day anyway. Can't hate her for that. Sometimes you beat the nearly-100%-fatal cancer, sometimes the badass child winds up the famed civil rights lawyer. More often you wind up the losing side of the Alamo. But at the end of the day, mebbe the real difference between the "they can still win it" camp and the rest lies in the idea of control/influence. The mother crying over her wayward child might still have some influence over the behaviour. The deadly-cancer-stricken person has no choice, if he wants to live, but to believe he can win b/c the alternative is DEATH (setting aside the very real data that suggests mindset can have an effect on serious illness). barkley and jordan in their playing days had a lot of control over what they did during a basketball game. But there is a very good reason why they are no where near as successful in gambling as they were in their basketball careers, despite their very confident, positive outlook on life. It is the reason why you have insurance for yourself and your family because belief that things will work out in the end is not always enough. Lottos aside, strong and firm belief in positive outcomes is necessary to success, but it is not always sufficient. I'm not sure that belief in oneself should translate to belief in things/people/events over which you have little or zero control. There might be something to the "collective will/belief" idea but I'm not convinced it works all the time. Especially not when you're dealing with an extremely stubbon owner and general manager/coach. Interventions don't always work. Froma Knicks fan perspective, we have little control over this gaggle of fragile egos. They have shown us time and time and time again that, collectively, taht they do not have the stuff this season to win more often than they lose. One game it's a crawford brickfest, the next it's a bad pass by Lee, in another it's Curry's lack of defensive jump, in some others it's zeke's coaching; sometimes it's all those things, but it's always <i>somethin</i>. The boat has too many little leaks and not enough fingers to plug them. Now if you choose to ignore that "reality" and believe til the math lops off all possibility, that the Knicks can/will turn the ship around, then there's nothin wrong with that. It just shouldn't be the attitude that defines fandom. Oprah has this one line that always stuck with me: whenever someone shows you who they are, believe them. The Knicks and Obama are showing you who they are. BELIEVE THEM. As always, jus' bloggin. Good morning all. *** REPOST!! ***

First off, no one should feel too defensive about believing good things will come from the Knicks this season. It’s an admirable quality/trait to continue to believe in the positive in the face of overwhelming negative “reality.”

It’s all good
There is rational belief and irrational belief. If it’s over something that doesn’t really affect your day-to-day life, I don’t think it matters a great deal which kind of belief it is (rational or otherwise) if it’s about something positive (we will ignore the annoying conundrum that wishing “positive” for the knicks will necessarily mean “negativity” for their opponents ;-) ). Expecting a string of wins (hell, expecting any win) from the Knicks, at this stage of their development, is hardly calling on the four horsemen.

Is it “rational” for someone stricken with a particularly deadly form of cancer to belieeve s/he’s gonna beat it? Possibly not, but who’s it gonna hurt? If it works out, the person gets to live! Nothin wrong with that.

So irrational belief in Knicks success this season is not a big deal, it’s not hurting anyone. Mebbe it’s like the kind of belief a mother might have in her troubled multiple-offender son, that he can work it out and be somethin one day. Nevermind that the odds say he’s likely to end up living out his life behind bars (and if he’s Black, the odds are scary enough as it is, just comin outta mama’s chute). No, nevermind them daunting odds, she is gonna BELIEVE that he will wind up a positive contributor some day anyway. Can’t hate her for that.

Sometimes you beat the nearly-100%-fatal cancer, sometimes the badass child winds up the famed civil rights lawyer. More often you wind up the losing side of the Alamo.

But at the end of the day, mebbe the real difference between the “they can still win it” camp and the rest lies in the idea of control/influence.

The mother crying over her wayward child might still have some influence over the behaviour. The deadly-cancer-stricken person has no choice, if he wants to live, but to believe he can win b/c the alternative is DEATH (setting aside the very real data that suggests mindset can have an effect on serious illness).

barkley and jordan in their playing days had a lot of control over what they did during a basketball game. But there is a very good reason why they are no where near as successful in gambling as they were in their basketball careers, despite their very confident, positive outlook on life. It is the reason why you have insurance for yourself and your family because belief that things will work out in the end is not always enough.

Lottos aside, strong and firm belief in positive outcomes is necessary to success, but it is not always sufficient. I’m not sure that belief in oneself should translate to belief in things/people/events over which you have little or zero control. There might be something to the “collective will/belief” idea but I’m not convinced it works all the time. Especially not when you’re dealing with an extremely stubbon owner and general manager/coach. Interventions don’t always work.

Froma Knicks fan perspective, we have little control over this gaggle of fragile egos. They have shown us time and time and time again that, collectively, taht they do not have the stuff this season to win more often than they lose. One game it’s a crawford brickfest, the next it’s a bad pass by Lee, in another it’s Curry’s lack of defensive jump, in some others it’s zeke’s coaching; sometimes it’s all those things, but it’s always somethin. The boat has too many little leaks and not enough fingers to plug them.

Now if you choose to ignore that “reality” and believe til the math lops off all possibility, that the Knicks can/will turn the ship around, then there’s nothin wrong with that. It just shouldn’t be the attitude that defines fandom.

Oprah has this one line that always stuck with me: whenever someone shows you who they are, believe them.

The Knicks and Obama are showing you who they are. BELIEVE THEM.

As always, jus’ bloggin. Good morning all.

]]> By: Pro-Ping Pongs http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20538 Pro-Ping Pongs Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:13:11 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20538 Lives, Dick Gregory is funny and you know the book he wrote about his life called the "N" word!!! He's a deep comedian!!!! Very!!!! Lives,

Dick Gregory is funny and you know the book he wrote about his life called the “N” word!!!

He’s a deep comedian!!!! Very!!!!

]]> By: Syd http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20537 Syd Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:08:45 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20537 New York Knicks - Daily Webs <a href="http://www.hoopsworld.com/TheWireStory.asp?id=10092" rel="nofollow">Vandeweghe denies Knicks interest</a> <a href="http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-us&fg=rss&vid=55d6aef2-2988-4b71-ab49-b2fb17241c32" rel="nofollow">Atlanta knicks New York - Al Horford talks after Atlanta's 99-93 win over New York</a> <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080301_NBA___Hawks_top_Knicks__James_leads_Cavs.html" rel="nofollow">NBA: Hawks top Knicks; James leads Cavs</a> <a href="http://www.ketv.com/nba/15456271/detail.html" rel="nofollow">Hawks Win Close One Over Knicks</a> New York Knicks – Daily Webs

Vandeweghe denies Knicks interest

Atlanta knicks New York – Al Horford talks after Atlanta’s 99-93 win over New York

NBA: Hawks top Knicks; James leads Cavs

Hawks Win Close One Over Knicks

]]> By: Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/comment-page-1/#comment-20536 Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:34:35 +0000 http://www.knicksdefense.com/2008/02/29/crawful-down-the-stretch/#comment-20536 O'k. I'm done yackin' for the day. I was hoping for a win last night. I didn't get it, but I still enjoyed my evening so it's all good. I liked what I saw with Curry. He had a little of his dominance back. I hope he is around (on the court enough) to hack-up Minnie Mouse's one dimensional dunk master. LGK. O’k. I’m done yackin’ for the day. I was hoping for a win last night. I didn’t get it, but I still enjoyed my evening so it’s all good. I liked what I saw with Curry. He had a little of his dominance back. I hope he is around (on the court enough) to hack-up Minnie Mouse’s one dimensional dunk master. LGK.

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