Tough break last night getting blown out by 40 points after such a great ending just 24 hours prior, when the Knicks pulled out the overtime victory in D.C. Either there was no gas in the tank, or Philly just has New York’s number this year, blowing the Knicks out three out of four times on the season.
There were some positives in the game once you got passed the sting of the blowout. Wilson Chandler dusted off his warm-ups, cleared away the cobwebs and came in and shot 50% from the floor, including some nice drives to the basket. Chandler finished with 8 points and 1 block in 11 minutes of second half play. This kid never sees the light of day despite being the 23rd pick in the first round in 2007. I know he can help with some things, he is a shot blocker on a team with no shot blockers, and those nights when Q isn’t fully Q, I just wonder why Wilson doesn’t get an opportunity to test the NBA waters with his seldom utilized talent.
And Eddy Curry at least contributed offensively in the first half, finishing with 12 points 6 rebounds and 1 block in 24 minutes. Something is better than nothing, and we’ve been getting a whole lot of nothing from Eddy Curry lately. Unfortunately, Eddy’s scoring coincided with the early hole the Knicks dug for themselves, and once they went through that stretch of 4 straight turnovers, there was no coming back. What a difference a year makes. This time last year, I was so pissed Eddy was not on the all-star team, he deserved to be on there–he really was effective when we force-fed him the ball. Eddy is basically a non-factor when he isn’t the first option on a team. And most the NBA knows even if Eddy does get the ball everytime, he’s still not going to play defense on the other end of the court.
The game was not competitive.
So it is a matter of hours before the trade deadline is here, and I have absolutely no idea if the Knicks will make a move. Rather than try to cook up a homemade rumor, I’d like to know who you think the Knicks should keep on their roster beyond 2008. Although I like quite a few players on the Knicks, Zach, Nate, Lee, Renaldo, to name a few, I don’t think there should be any players that are off limits if you can somehow get back young, defense-oriented players, because that to me has been their greatest problem this season, the abysmal defense that allows the opponents their choice of going to the hole for an easy bucket, or shooting wide open j’s all day. The knicks must try to address this issue either by 3:00pm today, or come draft day in June.
The Knicks are on the clock.
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keep marbury for next year?
http://www.nysun.com/article/71594
I came across this early this an from Espn,
TRADE 7A: New Jersey gets Jason Williams and Ricky Davis; Miami gets Eddy Curry, Jamaal Magloire and Fred Jones; New York gets Vince Carter and Smush Parker.
Why New Jersey does it: Cap room, baby! The Nets are turning Vince into $16 million of expiring deals. Combined with the Kidd deal, Richard Jefferson’s contract would be their only big deal after this season. Better yet, adding Ricky “The Ebola Virus” Davis makes them worse this season and improves their draft pick. A win-win all around.
Why Miami does it: The Heat are rolling the dice with Curry, and why not? He’s one of the few proven low-post scorers in the league. Sure, he can’t do anything else. But stick him with Dwyane Wade, Shawn Marion, Udonis Haslem, 2008 Lottery Pick X and Free Agent Signing X and that’s an interesting foundation. Also, I think Eddy Curry can be the guy who will give Pat Riley his first on-court heart attack.
Why New York does it: That’s easy — if Vince can’t get motivated to play hard in the most famous basketball city in the country, then he’s worthless as a basketball player and a human being. Seriously. If this guy cares AT ALL about basketball, then he’d give a crap about proving himself in New York. He would. It’s a smart gamble for the Knicks and they have more than enough money to roll the dice. As for Curry, it’s safe to say that Zach Randolph made him expendable in the “low-post scoring,” “no defense whatsoever” and “moody head case” departments.
TRADE 7B: Indiana trades Jermaine O’Neal, Jamaal Tinsley and David Harrison to New York for Stephon Marbury, David Lee and Malik Rose.
Why Indiana does it: Personally, I don’t think Jermaine O’Neal is the same guy anymore. He’s been banged up for four years and has a ton of miles on him. If I could turn him into an up-and-comer like Lee and dump a cancer like Tinsley in the same trade, I’d do that in a heartbeat. Financially, Lee and Marbury make the same money as O’Neal this year and next; Rose expires two years earlier than Tinsley; and Marbury still gives them a gigantic expiring contract for trading purposes next season. And if that’s not enough, the Pacers could trot out a legitimate whitewash with Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy, Lee, Mike Dunleavy and Travis Diener … quite possibly, the most talented whitewash we’ve seen since Larry Legend was still playing. Hell, the Jumbotron could even show a video of a bunch of paint rollers painting walls white every time they did it.
Why New York does it: Combined with Trade 4A, the Knicks would suddenly have a foundation of Vince Carter, Zach Randolph and Jermaine O’Neal. For a franchise that thinks like a fantasy team instead of a real team … lemme tell you something, that’s a nice-looking fantasy team! Also, you can’t tell me that the poor Knicks fans (proven suckers after the way they talked themselves into Marbury four years ago) wouldn’t be intrigued at the chance to turn Curry, Marbury, Lee and Rose into Vince (their first elite perimeter scorer since Bernard), O’Neal (their first elite big man since Ewing) and Tinsley (their first true point guard since Mark Jackson). Hmmmm.
(Right now the Knicks fans are thinking, “Wait, so we’d start J.O., Zach, Q, Vince and Tinsley, with Crawford as the sixth man and Balkman and Nate rounding out the rotation? I’m in! Count me in!” You guys are easy.)
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I believe the Knicks didn’t show up last night because many of them suspect
that last night was their final game in a Knick uniform! I noticed that Look on Thomas’s face last
night…and so did Steady!¡Los Ojos Chico, ellos no mienten!
Anyway this blog should be jumping tonight as we see what our future holds!
3:00PM……Kinda feels like it did waiting for the OJ verdict!
Somebody’s gotta go. Sorry Peace, I want to keep DLEE. He’s got a jumper man.
(Long Post To Follow)
THIS POST IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. IT IS NOT A BASKETBALL POST. IT IS A DENSE, PERHAPS INTENSE, BLOG FAMILY POST FOR THOSE WHO DON’T MIND A HEADACHE. SO YOUR AZZ CAN AVOID COMPLAINING ABOUT NON B-BALL POSTS, JUST SKIP IT, BECAUSE I’M IGNORING THE COMPLAINTS ANYWAY.
STATE OF THE BLOG ADDRESS
Part I. Prefatory Remarks
“Starbury, With great respect, you don’t need to fix it if it ain’t broke. Yours is a private site and you are certainly entitled to edit it any way you choose to. But there are a lot of words that offend people, even more important than the word is the venom behind them. When I visit this arena I don’t feel the viciousness that destroyed Knick Knation. Since this is a private venue there is always the option of tossing someone who is disrespectful in your house out the door. People who come into your home should respect it as a private forum that is open to all Knick fans with good intentions. How those intentions should be judged is twofold. One, if a community is offended they need to say so, then ignore that individual. Shunning trolls does work. Secondly, as owner/operator you can toss anyone you care to out the door when you find them offensive. Banning this word or that word is your choice, but opens the proverbial can of worms. Common sense, good manners and a good kick in the ass out of the door should solve any problems. This is a Knick venue, not a court room in the Hague. If someone can’t behave there is the time-out room(shunning) or the door. Your house, your rules. In closing, Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once said, in a case dealing with pornography, “I know it when I see it.”The same rule is easily transferable to pornography of the mind. As to our Knick situation, I refuse to throw in the towel. Where we end up is not the ultimate question. Only one team is left standing at the season’s end. Who are the stand up guys you can depend on? It’s over when you give up, not when the score board says so. LGK”
TMAN #11 Posted on February 18, 2008 under “Disrespectful Words.”
Affirmed by Bronxboy at #17
Affirmed by DLT Knicks at #20
BAMMMMMMM!!!!!!
There are many great posters in this community but I have always felt that the poster that packs the most powerful punch in a small brick-block is TMAN, the “Purposeful Philosopher”. His words are straight to the point, naked and powerful, not cloaked in the veil of Hypocrates or the fur coat of hyperbole. Just straight to the point. His rantings and writings, like Steady’s and CooleyHigh’s, are among the best for setting and directing the philosophical tone of the community. (BTW, where are BARF and Post-Up Prince?). They also serve as my most reliable guides for the feel and content of my own posts. No, I do not always agree with them (although I may agree with TMAN more than I agree with myself from time to time), they consistently provide both inspiration AND provocation.
TMAN’s initial words (more diplomatic than my ally with the sharp-blade, African who often says the same thing with a sword in his hands) most accurately describes the state of the house built by Starburyfan with the help of a bunch of architects, designers and itinerant knuckleheads. “It Ain’t Broke.” Still, our latest episode of “As The Blog Turns” informs us that while the blog doesn’t require fixing; maintenance is always in order and cosmetic work, properly done, can enhance the blogging experience and the blogging community.
It is time for some maintenance and a continuation of a civil discussion on some cosmetic work. The responses to my “FAREWELL POST” provide an excellent jumping off point, I think.
THIS POST IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. IT IS NOT A BASKETBALL POST. IT IS A DENSE, PERHAPS INTENSE, BLOG FAMILY POST FOR THOSE WHO DON’T MIND A HEADACHE. SO YOUR AZZ CAN AVOID COMPLAINING ABOUT NON B-BALL POSTS, JUST SKIP IT, BECAUSE I’M IGNORING THE COMPLAINTS ANYWAY.
STATE OF THE BLOG ADDRESS
Part I. Prefatory Remarks, cont.
LIVES’ FAREWELL?
I truly appreciate the virtual relationships I have established with most of the voices here, especially the seasoned voices who understand where I usually come from. They know the deal. Some don’t know the deal; they haven’t been around long enough. Others are just lurking around the fringes waiting for some type of dissension, perhaps so they can toss a grenade or two into the fray just to see what type of virtual relationship they can blow up, or perhaps just to raise their own community profile. Unless advised, they do not quite understand how transparent and entertaining they are.
Since my discussion with KD was a community discussion, I will make my intent and motives as clear as possible, although Steady and Peaceman have already successfully done so.
I have absolutely no intent or desire to harm, dismantle, destroy or replace KnicksDefense as a blogging spot or a virtual identity. Not only am I not idiotic enough to believe I have the power to do so, that would never serve my purpose in life. And while I may vary the style and tone of how I debate, argue and rant, I would never allow a philosophical disagreement to dictate the ending of a relationship. If so, I would have disowned all of my family members, hired some new replacement kids, been married twenty-five times and switched to fifty different blogs, instead of three. (At some point in my marriage I did wonder what sex would be like with 25 other women but they refuse to come out of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue)
No, I would not leave KnicksDefense because I could not use the “N-Word.” I can’t think of a positive thing to say about anyone who would say or believe that is why I would leave. However, I absolutely would leave KnicksDefense or any other private blog, if the blog host of a private blog site did not want me present; upon invitation, I would leave without hesitation with or without fanfare; with or without drama falling out of my suitcases. I would be Audi. I don’t hang long in places where I am clearly not wanted – I consider doing so a waste of everybody’s time, especially mine and life is too short, and to full of joyous things, for me to intentionally “waste” time on negative situations.
I interpreted KD’s posted invitation to leave, directed to and at me, as an invitation to leave. It’s that simple. I would say no need to linger, no need to argue, no need for theatrics, but I can’t write without a little theatrics; although I could guess that he fired at me while under the duress of making some difficult decisions, either I could have fired back, begged for understanding or just accommodated his invitation. So I decided (in a “snit” I guess – yeah I caught that dismissive spit ball (lol)) not to argue and let the chips fall where they may.
I am not here to disrespect KD. I am not going to play, eat and shyte in somebody’s house and then insult their manhood and intelligence in front of family and guests. I may goad and tease, but I would not do so with the intent to disrespect or disregard a host in a real house or a virtual home. But on a blog, a virtual house, I will exercise my right and privilege to voice an opinion, to disagree. I believe the prime objective of posting is to voice an opinion about comments made on the blog. (I will note that I did learn to have a great deal of disrespect for the work and mentality of Frank Isola which is the main reason I left his site. I have no desire to constantly write negatively about anyone. Bad karma. I never felt disrespect towards Alan Hahn. Hahn’s is a commercial site and my issue with Mr. Hahn was simply how he handled his customer base, including me. I like Knicks Fix and would post there if I had the time).
I know KD and I understood that it was possible that he was emotionally caught up in the difficulty of the decision he was contemplating and his efforts to satisfy the most people possible. As almost all of us have done before, if he was misinterpreted or felt differently than his invitation expressed, I knew he would man-up and let me know. I also knew if he truly believed what he wrote then the issue was easily resolved by my acquiescence and departure. Sad choice, but simple and much healthier for me than firing back disrespectfully in public.
I understand that KD’s heart and intent are not malicious. I believe his desire is to serve the common good and to make decisions that make the most posters comfortable. I understand that KD actually pays attention to what the posters in his house think and feel (he is a more sensitive and caring man than me – that is a compliment). KD, and rightfully so, is concerned about the impact of generally disregarded language on his site. He feels acutely the criticism of his decisions. The basis for this is not malice, but a genuine concern for the opinion of others. It is consistent with his effort to shape a site generally acceptable to the most people .
I happen to disagree with how he plans to address it. I don’t disagree with his right to address it. My disagreement is not meant as disrespect. I simply believe there is a better approach and that as a member of this community I have a right to share it. If I do not have that right, then I did not understand the community I joined. My opinion is the exact same as TMAN’s. I had the same discussion with Alan Hahn offline about the host’s inability to control by directive what others type on their keyboards. Such efforts will consistently lead to strong rebuke, because the great lure of internet discussions is the freedom to voice an opinion. The best controls regarding the tone of an “open” blog is to build a community that will not tolerate, encourage or feed certain behavior (as opposed to language). This can be supported by banning posters who destroy the intent and purpose of the blog. It is impossible, I repeat impossible, for one person to define and control the contents of all of the posts on an open blog. There are too many personalities, opinions, ideas and language barriers to manage.
KnicksDefense is currently a top of the line site. Blogs are becoming big business and monitoring what fans say and think is becoming critical to media and sports organizations. KnicksDefense is top of the line and fueling a lot of what you are reading and hearing outside these webpages. It is top of the line because of the host and its posters including Statesman and African. It is top of the line because it is cutting edge. The posters, writers, ranters here are well-versed in basketball and its relationship to other aspects of life. Yes, it is about Knicks basketball, but this is not just a Knicks basketball site. Sorry, guys. It is a community. I think the only person who can dismantle that community is the host; I am sure that is not what the host desires to do. I believe it is the responsibility for those of us who benefit from the community to help the host maintain this community. Realizing the final decision on what the rules are for participating in this family, we still need to be supportive of the rights of everyone to express their opinion in a way that promotes the community and not tear it down.
This is my opinion. Take it or leave it. I am not suggesting that a person is an idiot or evil for not agreeing with me (although evil people are more likely to disagree with me than smart people). I believe I am a member of a community that is open to discussing and debating ideas. That is the community I want to belong to; a community where I am welcome and able to express myself within the rules of the community.
So my “farewell” was what it turned out to be. I will only go where I am welcome (I’m sensitive like that) and I appreciate KD making it clear that I am welcome here.
KnicksDefense Provides Another Educable Moment
At this point, to some of you the above rant may have sounded unnecessary and petty. And you may be right. However, as I contemplated my choices of response to KnickD, I thought about the Knicks season and the possible choices that Isiah and Marbury could have made when addressing their disagreement. How should men with a common goal and responsibilities to others address and resolve disagreements? What choices should a “man” make? Should he run and leave the team, hold a grudge, make himself inaccessible? Should he remain open to resolution? Should he apologize if he is wrong? What should a “man” do if he is a leader or a team player? Isiah’s house, Isiah’s rules? Did either Isiah or Stephon fulfill their responsibilities in that disagreement, a disagreement which led to the debacle we will soon stamp as the 2007-2008 season?
I know some want to absolve Marbury of any responsibility, but in what relationship is the responsibility to maintain that relationship the duty of only one person? Did Marbury act like a “man” in his situation should?
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Good morning Charlie Folly,
It is good to read you again. I truly appreciate your virtual presence and I am happy that you have been accepted as a community member by one and all. In fact, your presence just emphasizes the need for some new blood at KD. Nothing wrong with the old blood, but we need a pick me up and since the Knicks aren’t compliant, we could use some new voices (or the return of some old ones) I think.
I digress.
I like your presence, in part because you present a conundrum of a psychological profile alternately analyzed by you, African and Steady to entertaining effect. Still, you have come into your own with an identifiable and interesting writing style and provocative ideas. But I think understand Steady when he essentially says, “Don’t let the good taste fool ya.”
You wrote two things during my two hour hiatus (was it longer?) that caused my eyebrow to do a Zeke-like push up. You wrote:
“Lives, no need to leave in a snit. KD’s was a fair interpretation. You know you’d be missed here but if you think this situation is the perfect segue to your own joint, so be it. Good luck with that.”
and
Personally, I don’t see why this has to be rocket-science or nail-biting time for free speech. We are all (or pretend to be) reasonable adults here. If you’re afraid that banning n-i-g-g-e-r, kike, jungle-bunny, hook-nose, etc., etc. and all permutations of race-based insults, then perhaps this is not the space for you if you cannot express yourself without that bit of weaponry.
Funny, I almost need African to interpret what you are really saying here so that I can get a handle on whether my interpretation makes sense. But this is why I say your presentation is a bit of a conundrum. I get the sense that you are often saying one thing and meaning another. As a result after someone interprets what you actually right, you often come back and refer the person to the intent or something you meant to emphasize that you actually didn’t. You do it a lot. I think I will get at least thirty “uh-huhs” and “amens” to that observation.
For example, I don’t see anything in the above comments that I would consider an effort to mediate, correct, end or help resolve the tension. It is a little different from most of the other posts I read. In your latter statement, you offer a proclamation like you are the one to set the rules regarding appropriate language for the blog and then you conclude it with an invitation for others to leave. It almost sounds like “CharleyFolly’s house, CharleyFolleys Rules.” A little odd given that not even KD had defined what disrespectful words were to be banned. But also curious is that you even dared to use the “N-word” in any context when you suggested an absolute ban. I need some help here. I am really confusit.
And your first statement to me, which is a little different than your more generous comments at #56, are a bit baffling. Not even KD, upon reflection, thought that his “response” reflected a “fair interpretation” of my comments. And Charley, I think you are faking the funk if you want to pretend that you are not a wordsmith – I know you understand the meaning of your words. “Snit?” Sounds a bit dismissive, without any specifics, of my comments. Perhaps, I did leave in a snit!, but whether I did or not, I don’t think you can claim that you were trying to help the situation.
My major point is that you have what appears to be an underlying nastiness that you wrongly think is covered by your intellect. I recognize it, because I admittedly do it every once in a while. The difference may be that I know that my reader knows what I am doing and if I am called on it, I don’t try to hide the fact that I’m being a prick.
Does anyone care enough to explain this better than I have? If not, I understand. Talk about the Knicks and that trade that won’t happen, instead. (LOL)
Lives, are you done yet?
I don’t know. I do know I better do some work.
Dude, you’re talking to yourself.
I know. I have been all morning.
You’re acting like DVJ again.
Nothing wrong with that. I like DVJ’s style. I bet he can attrract as many woman as African at a ball game?
Do you think the ForceMDS could attract a bunch of women? Is that really why you’re going to check them out.
Good question. Cooleyhigh sounds very suave. Modi? The ladies probably consider him the sexy cool intellect. I know Steady is a player. If he’s got that Barry White baritone goin, I’m hanging with that Dude. Harlem and Bronx sound married.
Shyte, Am I on speaker phone again. Turn that thing off Lives.
Later KD. Be good. Hope for the best.
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Lives…
How the hell do you “sound” married????…LOL
Shyt, maybe I need to change my delivery.
Keep talkin’ to yaself bruh……I’m diggin’ the convo!!!…LMAOOOOOOOO
You are indeed a gentleman and a scholar, bruh.
Noize,
What positive should I pull out of my ass to explain last nights debacle ?
Did anyone watch the Suns-Lakers game last night ? I almost forgot what it was like to sit and actually enjoy a bball game. Great game from beginning to end. Broken pinky or not Kobe is an animal.
***LONGISH RESPONSE TO MY MAN FIDDY GRAND, LIVES IN NEW JERSEY, LOVES NEW YORK.***
Lives, as is common for you, brilliant stuff. I’d use a line-item veto on a couple bits but, y’know what, pass the pen, i’ll co-sign it all.
As for #7, well, that is enlightening to me. Honestly. I know I’m a pretty “unique” individual. I don’t say that as a point of pride. Plain fact o’ the matter is I am an odd duck. Not quack-odd, just unusual odd. From my perspective, it has it’s blessings and it’s curses. It means that not only do I not understand how a lot of other people think/work, the converse is true that a lot of other people don’t get me. There are a number of advantages to being a lot closer to the norm (you speaka da languidge, you understand and are understood).
All that to say, if you try to fit me in a box, to peg me for one kind of duck or another you’ll at some point have a lotta bits that stick out. Now that’s true for most people anyway (esp most democrats/liberals
), but me more’n most. It’ll prolly take a while longer to “get” me, at least that’s been the case for my meatspace friends.
At any rate, Lives I wish I could be as eloquent as you but I’ll try anyway to unwind some of the tangle that is la moi.
Re quote#1, you’re right, I wasn’t exactly trying my level best to defuse tensions. In general, I’m not much of a peacemaker even tho I certainly prefer a civil environment. Is that a paradox? I don’t know. I don’t think so, but I’ll give it more thought later. I can say I’m naturally a counterpuncher, and not an instigator. I’m more naturally one of them guys who gets caught reacting to a shot to the ribs and gets pissed the ref missed the initial jab
I’ve learned to better pick my spots, but that is my instinct at least.
So it is to say I’m fully capable of getting hot under the collar and I’m as wont to release the steam as any. I am not a fan of capital punishment, but I will maim a brah. In that particular situation, I too felt KD was under duress and I picked up my raggedy slingshot to defend his action (which i in no way “worked behind the scenes” to encourage). You caught some of it and I tried to measure my words to effect a sting (?) in relationship to the perceived threat of your leaving (which, let’s not kid ourselves, would be a major blow to the site). Concilliatory it was not, it was more to “stick up for” KD as your words carry more weight than most (sometimes I’m not sure that you’re aware of this. yours can never be a casual “yes” or “no” vote). You’re right that I could’ve worked toward ratcheting things down, or, as many have suggested, just shut the hell up and hope that the guys work it out.
I dunno. Just felt to me like KD was getting way more grief than out an out support and my instinct is to roll with the (perceived) underdog-in-the-right than to play peacemaker. “Underlying nastiness,” is a tough phrase for me to accept. I’ll admit I have a sharp tongue at times but they’re more often brush-back swipes and I don’t think my tool (heh) is any sharper’n many of yern. I’m just keepin up, yo.
As for the second quote, well, I’m not sure why this is a big thing. Some have obviously viewed it as my sticking my tongue out at the community, that I’m flouting the rules that I say I support. Ok, that’s one way to view it and, ok, I’ll admit that, at a quick glance, it’s not wholly unreasonable for it to at least cross your mind.
But if you look again, I’m thinking surely you get the POINT of that comment, right? I wasn’t trying to make it about one specific word, it was the whole theme of race-based insults. There are lots of ways to circumvent the one word (and a few have already been cheeky enough to try em) so I wanted to make the larger point. You do see that, right? Wouldn’t that be more consistent with what I was saying in the previous threads? Plus, I wasn’t screaming it as an insult to someone else. I think people forget that I did at least TRY once to get pman to back off that ledge before I went into my own “snit.”
I think some of you still don’t quite trust me, and that’s fine, it’ll come in time, I’ve only been here a couple, few months. If you think of me as some kind of trickster, then it’s pretty easy to latch on to the first interpretation. If you think of me as just another “cautious-minded” fan who has firm and sharp opinions but is more than anything else FAIR-minded, then I think the latter interpretation is the one that sticks.
p.s. the 2nd sentence of quote #2 was badly constructed I now realize (writing in a huff does that). mite make a bit more sense this way:
Well, it ain’t easy John. i thought Lee splashed a couple of long contested jumpers when he was the recipient of the third or fourth swing pass on the perimeter, and if he can start making that shot consistently then he’s gonna be a real tough cover.
Umm…Nate shows flashes of ball pressure, i just think it saps too much energy for him to crouch and explode to reach out too much. With the right coaching and direction, i think he could be an excellent reserve guard with shooting range out to 3 and the ability to harass the opposing ball-handler. A bit of work to get to there from here, but doable i think.
Chandler & Taz looked a bit lost out there, Philly has long, lean, young, active bigs who are trying to show & prove. But if Denver bites on giving up Kleiza, we don’t have anything to match that offer for Artest, so we just gotta coach ‘em up.
Paul,
Lee seems to be sticking that jumper more and more lately. I love to see that he is developing his game every year. He is commited to becoming a starter in this league.
I’m not a huge Nate fan. I love his effort and enthusiasm but I’ve always thought he is just too short to be effective on D.
You are right. Taz and Chandler did look lost at times but I’m trying to be patient w/ those guys. It can’t be easy when you don’t see alot of time on a regular basis. Both guys have real potential.
Follymacher,
Your response is classic and appreciated. It is the kind of DNA revelation that makes this site unique. I think complex is good, although it can still be funked up. You know what’s good. I think we should not allow the Knicks to ruin a good season. I need a trade.
It’s 10:32. Do you know where your new point guard is?
I really need to shut it down. Later. Bronx, I am thinking up a story starring the ForceMDs just for you. I’ll have it next week.
*head nod @ Lives*
four and a half hours left. got them shorts in the oven, Af? man, i still think i’m gonna be on the right side of the 50-50 here, but just to be safe i shoulda ordered the crow.
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Harlem,
read the rest of that article. Nene ? no thanks, who need an oft injured forward ? The Milwaukee package? Are we trying to never get under the cap ? Smush Parker ? we have enough headaches on this team. These proposals are proof that the other teams are still trying to fleece us.
I read it and I agree John. We are the joke of the league when it comes to trades. None of them make any sense.
It would make sense that IT is trying to move Zach because of his trade value and because the experiment hasn’t worked. If so, probably means Lee moves to starting rotation and some time for JJames off the bench.
I would rather see him move Curry ( Ironically if he actually moved on the court he’d be alot easier to move ) but if he is resigned to move Zach, I’d like to see us get back expiring contracts or an impact player. Expiring contracts preferably.
I must admit, I tend to add a dab of Brandy to my Holy Water, it has a way of accentuating my Natural High! PN, you were suppose to keep that on the hush, hush, but now that my secret is out, I’ll remain STEADY As It Goes….
Rock Steady, you never cease to amaze and your personal invite to LIVES was not only gracious, but important, because his environment was was influenced in many ways by his Familia’s affiliation…You know me and mine we will be there if our schedule permits…HI (Hampton Institute) will always be my Home By the Sea; its ESSENCE still percolates within me and I BLEED Pirate Blue…Lastly, I know your jaw was hanging when you finally realized the score of last night’s game…A Tale of Two Teams…New Edition…
LIVES, your Morning Conversation was delightful, and the Food for Thought your dropped on my Buffet Plate was ummm, ummm, Good. I even brown bagged it, placed it in the Upper Room, and will take my Sweet Time digesting what you shared with US this morning…
Lastly, I’ve been blessed to spend quite a bit time Up North from skiing regularly at Whistler or riding the ferry to Victoria Island to visit some sure NYC bangin homie’s, or fishing in Kelowna, to witnessing a few Calgary Stampedes, from hiking in Fort Edmonton Park, from reggae concerts at Molson’s in Toronto, from gambling in Windsor and Montreal, and enjoyable Lobster Suppers in New Glasgow. I’ve got a good noise for Swanky Island girls and French Canadian women who reside Up North, along with Canadian Bacon, Canadian Ham, and CANADIAN BULLSHYTE…One might be able to pull the Kilt over some eyes, but not all…
LIVES, can’t wait to read your story on the FORCE MD’S, because Harlem is a budding Super Star (Great Pop & Husband) and BRONX and MODI epitomize Class, Style, and the rewards achieved by being True to your GRIND…STEADY and I are the crazy ones, but crazy like foxes…LOL LOL Comne down and hang taste Bruh, it’ll be a TOTAL BLAST…
As always BLOGZILLA you do yeomen’s work keeping the THREAD BANGING….
Keep It POPPIN Defenders…Despite last night’s results…and it is hard too….LOL LOL
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CooleyHigh, it would appear you still have a hangover. You are one cryptic Christian. If it pleases you to remain shifty and indirect, well, that’s no crime in God’s eyes. May the ghost bless you with inner peace.
Lives, and Folly—-great reads from the two of you!!!!
JohnQ and PaulN, i like the two of you guys convo your got going on!!!
Really, that’s what I like to see when I step up in here in Knicksdefense after watching the major bummy/semi-good Knicks team this season. A welcomed relief from the stress that watching the Knicks can bring.
Lee’s development this offseason will be interesting to evaluate, since he seems to have worked hard this past offseason and was rewarded by the Knicks acquiring a 20 & 10 guy who plays his position and got his starting job.
David has done a nice job keeping his head up and mouth shut, things which bode well for him ignoring the BS politics and just grinding out some new skills this summer.
i think it has to be made clear this offseason that David Lee is our new starting power forward, and let Z-Bo kvetch about battling Curry for playing time in the middle. i think Lee has paid his dues at this point and deserves the nod. Let someone else handle the short change for a minute.
Lives:
Great morning read.
Great mix of humor and mind tingling stuff.
I’m with you on the idea of taking an exit if not wanted by the host.
KnickDee asked me to leave, and don’t let the door hit me in the ass.
But you know what! The truth is a m’fucker!
It hits you in the gut, and most can’t handle the truth. That’s the reason he wants me gone.
I was dead serious with everything I said yesterday. Prophetic too, to those that are in the know.
You can’t cry foul, and blatantly foul in the process.
I don’t care who it is, I’ll call you on it.
You can’t criticize the host? Fuck you on that one.
I wasn’t taking sides with Statesman, I was calling an injustice.
States never said the stuff attributed to him, then the foul of all fouls was to put his personal info out there.
Folly:
You’re the one that led the charge with the now banned word, where was your voice at this point?
Is your moral compass only meant for one diection of the wind?
Hypocrites and parasites! Kiss ass is the new olympc sport.
Statesman:
Some of the stuff highlighted by KnickDee are pale in comparison to some of the smack said to me by you and others on this blog. Do I take it personally? Not at all, because it’s easy to agree with everyone, but hard to hold a stance individually. I believe in the stuff I blog, I don’t just throw shit out there, even at times it may seem that way to some.
I remember you apologized for some of the stuff said. This is only a blog.
I would continue to go against stuff I deem to be wrongs. No matter who the individual is. Nothing personal.
What I said yesterday are facts. Not taking your side or against KnickDee. Wrong is wrong no matter from who it comes.
Cooley:
There are many words you can use to describe me, but hypocrite is not one of them.
So I really didn’t think you were talking about me.
I hit straight to the point with no sugar.
I don’t disguise my feelings. That can be good or bad depending on the situation, but I’m no diplomat.
Who have eyes to see, let them see.
I second your last statement. If we don’t give Lee a starting job soon, I’m afraid he’ll look elsewhere for one. There are 2 many teams to list who could use his services. I really hope they lock him up when his contratc is due. He has only one more year or 2 ?
Af, you’ve lost me here. Your point is not penetrating me thick skull. Could you try to explain again?
I suspect there’s a few unstated assumptions about me in there. In the fullness of time, a pattern will eventually appear from any chaos, but just because you see me hugging a tree doesn’t mean I’m a conscionable tree-hugger who cries over every squashed spider. Just means I like that particular tree.
p.s. yes, i’m thinkin a moral compass — wrt a specific subject — should pretty much point in the one direction.
Harlem,
Re: #20 Check your bruh Steady here–this is a Henny convo mano a mano. I would welcome a Zach move. Zach is a warrior a la the Big Fella. He has the mental make-up to compete in the NYC. He is more valuable than Curry in terms of production. Two things caused me to jump off his bandwagon–his past and his present. The “black hole” label does not worry me. A good coach fixes that wrinkle. It’s his past and present interaction in the TEAM concept (or the sabotaging of such) that repulsed me.
As a throwback and student of the game you and I have chimed in unisom on the baseline watching the team. Zach gave up on Portland in the past, and gave up on the Knicks in the present. The water to the mug splash is prima facie. I’m not calling Zach a cancer as been done here and other blog sites. He’s on my favorite team until the suits (Monty et al.) move him. We all know that Monty does not like to be crossed/challenged–ask Kurt, Shannon, Mo, Jalen, Penny, Steph. If Zach was stuck here due to the salaries coming back, etc., then the splash from the “How To Disgust Your Boss” manual made all those considerations moot.
I’m not covetous and still Steady. Check me if I bend. I foresaw the move but I hope that Monty remembers the first card–(We’re going to be nice and nasty) because power teams win playoffs. Then again, the first may have been the King of Lies.
KFLL
Steady,
I love the way the Knicks players try to say that throwing water was “no big deal.” I don’t know anybody that would want to take that offense lightly. Nate scored points with me on handling that one.
I also see Zach fighting his teammates for rebounds, but playing lackluster defense.
Zach’s a baller, but if someone wants to take him, yeah, see ya playa.
Steady, you crack me up…LOL Can I have bit more of your Henny for my Holy Water, cause it will help me get rid of my Hangover…LOL LOL LOL
“Cryptic Christian” It probably never dawned on Folly that I could be a Uncomnplicated (antonym/s to cryptic by the way Folly) Black Hebrew or Simple Buddhist or a Direct (flipping of the antonym to an adjective Folly) Spiritualist. Folly like I said before, you remain true to your creed FOLLY-FOOLISHNESS. You are truly the THREADS Premier Parody…
@African,
I can dig it Warrior…
Harlem, after Tuesday’s display, moving Zach will set MONTY up for the NEXT BIG LIE…He’s a crafty Kat!
Keep it POPPIN
Without knowing the details of what actually happened, I think we can say this much fa sho’: 1) Nate’s an incorrigible yapper. That’s no secret, all his teammates say so. 2) Zach’s a prideful dude.
If it’s the case that N8 said a lil too much to Zach in front of urrybody… well, not to say if I were a coach I’d condone it, but a pitched cup o’ water isn’t the worst scenario. A good team can easily recover from that. I think it’s a safe bet Zach’s tired of the atmosphere tho (while Curry merely shrugs his chubby shoulders at it). He’s certainly more marketable than all cept Lee. And Lee is an untouchable.
1:30 and alls quiet. I keep checkin’ ESPN like African checks his mailbox for that welfare check !!!!
wishful thinking to go after marion, but he is being shopped.
http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/live/2008/02/tick_tick_tick.html
the operative word being “wish.”
Nate talks a lot, but would you want someone to throw water on you? I don’t know where Zach is from, but that’s some foul s*. Totally unncecessary. Plus you’re on a stage. I could understand if Nate is not getting Zach the ball, but throw water, in front of all those fine ladies at the Phone Booth? Nah, that means we would have a big problem.
Even if he throw the Gatorade bucket in the locker room, that’s cool. That would be a private team matter.
This team has major chemistry issues and that was a major example. No chemistry at all. No defensive intensity.
CooleyHigh, if you can look at that spew of a post in the last thread and come away feeling you’re not a source of unintended humour then jokes on you. If your keep-it-vague motto works for you, who am i to judge.
One an a half hours to go. Af’s shorts still in the oven. RealGM gettin the most clicks o the year (must be like xmas for them).
Slowly and surely the natives are seeing Zach for what he is.
He is what I thought he was.
HarleminMD, I hear you. Just sayin actions beget reactions, nahmeen? It’s heat-o-battle stuff. Who knows what was said. Jus’ sayin.
Af,
That aint it bro. Zach has the most value on this club of anyone not named Lee. If Curry had an ounce of value, he’d be gone. Nobody wants him.
Af, I’m still hoping for an explanation (see #32). For real doe.
Folly;
Nuff said.
If you don’t get it now, you never would.
If you don’t know, ask somebody! Just not me.
This game is still about team and team chemistry. Not the best stats.
well, if anyone would care to try to translate for Affy (and I’d take it strictly as translation, not that you necessarily agree), I’m all ears.
This game is about contributions to the team goal and giving maximum efforts to be a net positive.
Lets hope one of them gets traded so we can put African’s argument to rest or applaud him for his vision.
JohnQ,
Despite his FG%, several teams would take Crawford. If he comes off the bench and is and placed next to a true PG, he is a player.
taken from espn.com:
Trade Talk: Tuesday, February 19
New York Knicks
Isiah Thomas continues to say it’s unlikely the Knicks will do anything significant before the trade deadline, but chatter around the league suggests otherwise. Multiple sources say that Miami has interest in Eddy Curry. The Heat can offer Jason Williams’ expiring contract in a straight-up deal. Or, if the Knicks want players back, they could try to work in a third team like New Jersey, which is trying to find a new home for Vince Carter.
If New York does decide to break up the Zach Randolph-Curry tandem, which direction will it go in? If the Knicks were to erase Curry’s deal from the books, they’d be staring at roughly $15 million to $20 million in cap room in summer 2010 — when LeBron James & Co. become free agents. If they trade for Carter, they lose that cap flexibility but immediately get a player who could help them make a late playoff push in the East.
If the Nets could work out this deal, and essentially erase Carter from their books, they’d be staring at about $15 million to $20 million in cap room this summer. It’s a slam dunk for them. As for Miami, Curry isn’t a great rebounder or defender, but he can score in the paint and, at 25, still might have some upside. If Pat Riley can’t get anything out of him … then no one can.
Also of note, it appears that a few teams also have broached the possibility of acquiring Stephon Marbury if the Knicks are willing to take back a long-term deal. Marbury’s contract expires after next season, and a few GMs say it’s possible that a team might be willing to pawn off a bad long-term contract (that of the Nuggets’ Nene or Kenyon Martin, for example) in return for Marbury.
(note the date)
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