Raptors visit Knicks
January 11, 2008 – 12:05 amHopefully the New York Knicks can bounce back from the Rockets loss and pick up a win today when they host the Toronto Raptors.
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Saw this on the subway a few weeks ago. I was going to jack it but there were too many people in the car. The dude next to me was staring at it just like I was, probably thinking the same thing: I wonder why they even bothered to put renaldo on there. He gets more PT in the ads than at the Garden.
143 Responses to “Raptors visit Knicks”
Yo KnicksD
I’m sorryyyy…sooo sorryyyy…
I forget how sensitive you can be and personal you can take things. I have to remember to mind the audience when I crack a joke. My bad.
Keep in mind that this is your house. I’m the guy who brings over a case of beer and drink one or two. Drop 3 fresh rotisserie chickens from the asian spot around the way and have a leg. I’d rather pinch you on your bum, tell you how sweet you look in your new apron and call you cutiepie before I’d disrespect you or your girl.
If the post still bothers you I suggest you read it over again until you realize how the sentence is more about Mitch and his grill than it is about you, your girl or your opinion.
I know your blaming Isiah opinion wasn’t original. Berman said it. Mitch said it. Breen mentioned it during the broadcast. Clyde even agreed. Its okay to have a differing opinion.
But you know what else is okay? Me making fun of you for sharing an opinion with them. Because that is my opinion.
Again. I apologize for anything you may have taken personal.
But I didn’t start none…so there won’t be none.
The drama that could have been would’ve been interesting…but I didn’t intend the joke to be taken as seriously as it was.
This, to me, is like bullshitting with my brothers. I’ll slap you on the ass and call you a bitch ass and I expect the same in return.
But damn…crack a joke. Tease me. Touch me. Feel me. Ewwwww….
no kissy kissy.
Now, after writing all this, I forgot the basketball related stuff I was gonna write down. Its too late. I’ll be back in the morning.
PEACE!!!
Harlem…that was foul trying to instigate the beef. I’m down with AF man…greens…just veggies.
By BARF on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:50 am
Yo BARF,
Harlem is one of those Peeps they used to Make the HBO “WIRE” with!
Eney Meny Miny Moe, Da Harlem Negro is NOW a MD HO!
Yo Negro, Da token you knew are now called a Metro Card!
What would you know now, eating fat ass pig Lard!
Who would have thought that Harlem would Chump?
Into a an asshole, a clone Forest Gump???
Run Harlem Run!!!! lol
By Peaceman on Jan 11, 2008 at 1:18 am
You lost me Peace so I’ll skip pass. I recognize a ho though but I won’t bite that bait. No need.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 1:30 am
I’m driving home thinking this dude just called me a ho?
Are you bipolar? or are you smoking?
I never run.
Like I told Tom, a lot of you dudes grow big balls behind this bloggin, say shit you would never say otherwise.
This ho will be on 777 and 7th Street on 1/18. Feel free to stop by and pimpslap me. please.
i never disrespect and i never start shit on this blog. laughed at a barf joke. that’s it. Where are you comin from with that pretty bullshit poem? Not smart enough to decipher your motive, but like I said no need to disrespect peaceman
you need to change that moniker
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:37 am
A bus drive to NY up 95 can be arranged too.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:39 am
willis speaks, thinks zach-eddy needs more time:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112008/sports/knicks/willis__dont_give_up_on_eddy_zach_770230.htm
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:30 am
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By Syd on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:53 am
Worth Repeating!!!!
Rafer Alston Evaluates The Knicks Major Problem Before Beating Them
They have some good guards, but they need a floor general,” Alston said last night before the Rockets beat the Knicks, 101-92. “. . . It’s like us. We play inside-out, so now what better shot do you have? Instead of your guards going one-on-one all the time, now your guards get wide-open looks from the double-team. I think they’re not understanding that.”
Every guard the Knicks put on the floor is a score-first guard, with the exception of Mardy Collins, who is a never-scores guard. Alston, who was certain he was getting traded last summer only to impress Rockets coach Rick Adelman in training camp, seemed eager to show the Knicks what a point guard is supposed to do.
“Each night you see the Knicks’ box score and the guards only have two or three assists,” Alston said. “… Where’s the ball going?”
That’s easier said than done, even for the guy saying it. Not long after calling himself a “classic throwback guard” who looks to get his teammates involved, Alston stepped onto the Garden court and started launching shots like Jamal Crawford. But you get his point.
Plus, Alston settled down and ran the team the way the Knicks only hoped they had someone to run theirs, finishing with 20 points, eights assists, six rebounds and two steals.
“A lot of teams have had success with score-first guards,” Alston said. “But I think a lot of coaches are starting to see that they need that old throwback point guard, a guy who’s going to come in and run your show.
“People overlook the importance of a guy like Mark Jackson or Avery Johnson. A lot of kids don’t look at those players. They don’t stand out to them. But they help you win games in this league.”
That is what the Knicks need, with the most realistic opportunity to find one looming at the end of June when they exercise what almost certainly will be a high lottery pick. By all accounts, Derrick Rose of Memphis can do those things.
In the meantime, the Knicks need a caretaker - a ball-moving, pass-first point guard who can get the team playing the way it will need to play when the point guard of the future arrives. Why?
“You can’t throw the ball to Zach Randolph 28 feet from the basket,” Alston said. “You’ve got to understand who you’re playing with. You can’t run a catch-and-shoot with Jared Jeffries. You just can’t do that. You’ve got to understand what’s going on.”
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:07 am
Lives,
Everybody sees it. It aint new news or anything. Zeke is the only one denying the problems on this team. It’s obvious to anyone else w/ a pair of eyes.
According to rumor central on ESPN (which for some reason is free tday), Zeke shot down the Zach to Milwaukee rumors tday.
By JohnQ on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:14 am
Get Zeke out of here ASAP!!
I’m about to start printing up my own “fire Isiah shirts” just
so I can make some money.
He really has no clue what he’s doing.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:30 am
Harlem,
didn’t mean nothing by it! Sorry if you were offended!
Was doing shots and being silly! LOL I don’t remember posting that one!
By Peaceman on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:01 am
Willis Reed, the only Knick NBA MVP, in the Post,
“I know that New York is not an easy place to play,” he said. “You better have tough skin, thick skin, around here. We had some bad teams, too, and we got booed, before we got good. So my advice to the players is, don’t read the paper. Stay focused on doing what you can do as a player(Eddie!!!!Zack!!!!) to make your team better.”
What he said sounds about right!Let’s defend the three point line and cook some Canadian bacon!LGK
By Tman on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:16 am
Gotta get my two cents in the Barf/Blogzilla squabble.
Blogzilla:
You took that post too personal.
You should be last one to start the “fuck you” on this site. You’re the host, so you of all people should be the last to start that language on here.
If you start snorting lines in front of your kids, your guests would do the same, then what would you say?
You should be above that.
For the record, I didn’t agree with your take on the ejection, so I left it alone.
I thought you were too hard on Zeke, but then you came back with statements about folks being Zeke’s family and cousins and other stuff. Not cool.
Reading Mitch Lawrences’ piece and yours, you were even harder than Mitch, and that’s saying a lot, given the way we all know Mitch hates Zeke. Now as it turns out, the league felt that the referee was the one that created the contact. Barf was right on point.
We all have our opinions, you of all people should respect that. That’s what makes this site jump.
I remember you had a similar short fuse with Statesman in similar circumstances.
I also remember a certain blog host getting a little snappy with his guests, and we all know the result of that one.
Blogzilla, chill. Folks on here have their opinions, and are entitled to it.
You’re not immune from criticism just like the other guy.
That’s my opinion of course.
By African on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:29 am
Blogzilla:
I forgot to mention. No beef, just veggies.
By African on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:41 am
Knicksdefense,
You should of Jacked that poster! You know the deal, start yelling crazy shit that don’t make
sense and no one would dare look at you, they would be glad you focused on the poster!
What train was that poster on? I’ll Jack it!
By Peaceman on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:04 am
Post #1 and #4:
Hilarious!
By Tom on Jan 11, 2008 at 11:26 am
Breakdown of this year’s best Euro team:
#1 1-LIETUVOS RYTAS VILNIUS (LITHUANIA)
Why is that interesting? Compliments of “The Big Push”
Former Knicks summer league point guard, Jared Jordan has joined BC Lietuvos Rytas, a pro basketball team in Lithuania. After leading the NCAA in assists for Marist College for two consecutive seasons, Jordan was unable to find a home in the NBA.
By BARF on Jan 11, 2008 at 12:44 pm
ARI-CAN & BARF,
I do not BLAME the blog Host for being SENSITIVE or having a SHORT FUSE.
I BLAME ISIAH THOMAS. If Isiah had not been thrown out of the game, then the Knicks would have won,
the THREAD would not have been written & Barf would not have CRACKED the JOKE.
If you guys do not see Thomas as the Culprit, you must be his Cousin, Mistress, High School Coach, etc.
BTW, I also Blame Isiah for the Mortgage Crisis,Iraq,Obama’s Defeat, & 9-24-Knicks
Peace & Blessings
By STATESMAN on Jan 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm
http://60hud.com/videos/lebronjamesjumpshot.wmv
By Syd on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Ha Ha Ha.
Statesman.
You’re the best. How about Zeke’s boy-toy!
Good shit.
By African on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:15 pm
African,
You’re about a lame SOB…
“Good shit”…like you’re critiqing someone’s work.
Who the fuck are you, anyways? The blogs barometer?
Not.
By Rockstar on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I for one am looking forward to tonight’s game vs the Raptors.
Did you see you can ask Jamal Crawford a question and he might answer it? http://blogs.msg.com/gameon/2008/01/ask-jamal-crawf.html
KD, thanks for the coupon for Sunday’s game. Tempting.
By Edward on Jan 11, 2008 at 2:59 pm
i’ve said many times that if berman, mitch, breen and isola share my opinion…i have to look at myself in the mirror and find nother opinion cuz i don’t wanna be in that company.
the most tasteless kd joke of the year was born from that mindset.
must be a “no news” day in the nba if the blog is dominated by the drama of a misunderstanding. i’m glad ya’ll can find entertainment at my expense. boohoohoo.
states…funny man. i heard isiah cancelled friends and seinfeld too
By barf on Jan 11, 2008 at 3:07 pm
“Friends”? Zeke still has friends to cancel?
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:17 pm
AS THE BLOG TURNS
starring
BARF, AFRICAN, KNICKSDEFENSE, KNICKSDEFENSE, PEACEMAN, HARLEM, AND A CAMEO BY ROCKSTAR.
Get the popcorn kernels out your teeth granny.
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:20 pm
I still love you BARF, Kissy Kissy (LOL)
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Classic! Worth repeating.
“Keep in mind that this is your house. I’m the guy who brings over a case of beer and drink one or two. Drop 3 fresh rotisserie chickens from the asian spot around the way and have a leg. I’d rather pinch you on your bum, tell you how sweet you look in your new apron and call you cutiepie before I’d disrespect you or your girl.”
By African on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:22 pm
When does pitchers and catchers report? lol
By African on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Af with the Roger Clemens-Andy Petite jokes again.
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:48 pm
No BARF, or AF, or States, or anyone else. I said at the beginning you’re entitled to your opinions and that they are welcome here but if you start talking about my girl or comparing my opinions to somebody i never liked and never will like, I’m going stick up for myself. take a look at the post again african and see who started the cursing. it wasn’t me.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 4:49 pm
check this shit out!!!
How real is this?
NBA Grants Protest Filed By Miami
January 11, 2008 - 4:43 pm
RealGM Staff Report -
The NBA today granted a game protest filed by the Miami Heat after its 117-111 loss to the Atlanta Hawks on December 19 at Philips Arena, which will result in the replay of the final 51.9 seconds of the game’s overtime period with the Hawks leading 114-111. The replay will occur immediately prior to the next scheduled game between the two teams — on March 8, 2008, also at Philips Arena.
The Heat protested the game because, with 51.9 seconds remaining in overtime, the Hawks’ scoring table personnel incorrectly disqualified the Heat’s Shaquille O’Neal – asserting that a foul committed by O’Neal was his sixth foul of the game, when in fact it was only his fifth. The error occurred because the Hawks’ Official Scorer mistakenly attributed to O’Neal a foul at 3:24 remaining in the fourth period that was actually called against the Heat’s Udonis Haslem.
NBA Commissioner David Stern found that the Hawks were grossly negligent in committing this scoring error, since they failed to follow league-mandated scoring procedures and failed to respond effectively when the members of the statisticians’ crew noticed the mistake. Because of this conduct by Atlanta’s personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage, as O’Neal – the Heat’s second leading scorer and rebounder that night – was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining. Under this unprecedented set of circumstances, the Commissioner granted the Heat’s protest, and fined the Hawks $50,000 for their violation of league rules.
The protest is the first granted by the NBA since December 14, 1982 when then-NBA Commissioner Larry O’Brien upheld a protest by the San Antonio Spurs concerning their 137-132 double overtime loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on Nov. 30. The Spurs and Lakers finished the game on April 13 with San Antonio collecting a 117-114 win.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Jan 11, 2008 at 5:05 pm
“golom looking m’thaf’kas” -barf
which means mitch (whom we have often discussed…or disgust) looks like the troll from lord of the rings with his large forehead, eyes and little slit mouth and penchant for outlining isiah’s secretively evil ways.
a simple…”no, my girl finds mitch as repulsive as the underside of welfare collecting roach” would have sufficed and would have returned the comedic favor. (no offense af…um…huh?…what?…nevermind) especially knowing, as you said, that i donmt know what you look like. which i thought i implied by the way i wrote the punchline.
you’re entitled to respond in any way you want…cursing or not…humorous or not. either way, it doesn’t matter to me cuz you can’t make my tasteless joke mean something that i did not intend. i re-read it and don’t understand who u can misinterpret it…i’m still sorry you took it the way u did cuz i sense you still have a problem.
lives, i was gonna make a sly remark involving your chicagoan sis but i no longer trust my words to do me or my humor any justice. gotta go back to the drawing board.
shoot…i enjoy u folks who share this community with ur fam, friends and ladies. i do it. my girl has read a lot of u (when she catches me laughing or when i ignore her to do the last few gametime blogs) and find you as pathetic and funny and sad as this knickfan right here. i like this place that much more. u guys are opening urselves that much more to the group…why would i wanna mess that up? makes no sense.
enjoy the game fellas. i’m out and about…might be at a bar and may blog via phone but definitely won’t be doing play by play…as much as i enjoy doing it.
kiss kiss and all that…hugs to all of you need one. ha ha. catchers and pitchers report early this year in knicksdefense.com
af…ur one funny guy…and yes, after you explained it…i “got it”. needed a bit of help there though…it went right over my head.
By barf on Jan 11, 2008 at 5:34 pm
oh shit dvj…good find. wtf is that? unprecedented….
By barf on Jan 11, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Defenders
Back on the block(or blog),after putting in unheard of hour at work.If I wouldn’t have spent so much trying to see the Knicks in HD,maybe I wouldn’t have to work so hard.
BTW,I would say we need this win,but we need them all right now.
We have no one to hold Bosh in the paint(give him 36 tonite).
We have no one to stop the parimeter 3’s(about 12,shooting 60%)
We have no one to stop guards from getting into the paint(another 20)
But I like our chances………..
By D L T Knicks on Jan 11, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I’m on the road. Hope to be back in time for gametime.
Someone asked about Follymaker a while back. He’s in blog rehab until this weekend he said on a previous post.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Wow I can’t believe a lil misunderstanding has KnicksD all reved up.
Man I read all you dudes and the vibe BARF gives off is that of the resident joker.
But I have to agree with Barf, Mitch Lawrence is on Golum looking SOB. I think Isola might just be his precious… oh my precious!
By Black and Blue on Jan 11, 2008 at 6:20 pm
DLT
Give me a synopsis on how you think we can pull of this game against the Raptors.
They have a guy named Andrea on the team that’s intimidating enough LMAO!
By Black and Blue on Jan 11, 2008 at 6:21 pm
B&B
Good question:Let me put on my coaching hat,just a minute……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
1)May start by trying a zone defense, to keep a body close to Bosh and lean towards those 3-point shooters.
2)Big dose of EC(the EC that played in Chi-town a few nights ago),they really have no one to hold him.
3)Give Steph the green light to get into the paint as much as possible. They don’t have many shot blockers.
4)Try to use JJeferies on Bosh,on man-2-man defense.
5)Use
Steph
Jamal
N8
JJ/Lee
EC or Zach
with and Balk as sub …….what you think?
By D L T Knicks on Jan 11, 2008 at 6:47 pm
funny you bring up “Frank Isola” B&B, I’ve been called him as well by some people on here (you know who you are).
i put up the new post to move past this so that’s what I’m going do.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Knicks Pregame:
IT:”That will be a fair question in a few weeks.”
Havn’t we heard this B/S before?????
By D L T Knicks on Jan 11, 2008 at 7:19 pm
WTF is Curry thinking on that pick and roll???? Why would you leave the guy WITH THE BALL????
You would’ve thought he’d have figured that out by now.
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Zeke could take his two Chi guys and shove em’…
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 7:53 pm
The kids are in!
Don’t watch the score. We’ll just take this beating.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 7:59 pm
How do you get guys to play that obviously don’t want to?
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:05 pm
We’re down by 10 and no one is booing.
Who says NYers can’t be patient.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Checking in. Gimme a minute while I get the game on and read through your comments.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I hate Curry…
Craw can take as many shots as he likes…he earned the right.
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:09 pm
@ Post # 45…
They’re just plain tired of booing, Harlem.
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:10 pm
But I think they’re happy to see hustling kids too.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:11 pm
That’s true about the kids’ effort, Harlem….
I was talking about the pathetic starters.
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:12 pm
i swear, if we trade balkman to Boston as has been rumored,…
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:17 pm
randolph talking mad sh*t to isiah on the bench as he got pulled out of the game.
the msg people barely mentioning it.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:20 pm
patented behind the back move by crawford.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Get in them damn shirts. Stop letting them take wide open jump shots. The defense needs to be more intense. You’ve got a mostly jumpshooting team. The way you stop them is to pressure them hard on the perimeter and be physical if they come through the lane. If Bosh comes in there beat his azz up. Make them think about other things other than making their jumpshots.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Harlem,
Where did you hear the Balk to Boston rumor?
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Knicks 3-9 from the free throw line.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:35 pm
glad that Isiah found minutes for balkman and even more glad to see that balkman still has it and isn’t injured.
i hope they’re not shopping balk with unusual minutes before the trade deadline…
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Guard Play
==============================
N8 3-5 for 7 points, 1 assist, 0 turnovers
Steph 3-5 for 6 points, 5 assists, 1 turnover
Craw 6-12 for 16 points, 2 assists, 4 turnovers, (Crawford was 0-5 from three but he made his last two so now he’s 2-7.)
Totals 12-22 for 29 points, 8 assists, 5 turnovers
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:49 pm
MSG staff mentioned the words by Zach at halftime. Said they will try to find out what was going on by the end of the game.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Re: #57 - I’m glad Balkman got some minutes too, but I hope to goodness they’re not shopping him. He needs to be on the floor. He’s leading the team in rebounding with 4 and in hustle plays. He also has 8 points. Second in scoring to Jamal. Get him back in there.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 8:54 pm
David Lee replaces Curry early in the second half. Ball is moving now and we are attacking the hole.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:00 pm
N8 is getting aggressive. Just hit three straight shots.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:01 pm
i never thought much of bosh…
until this game.
he’s a big-time player.
knicks are hanging in there though playing with a fighting spirit.
i like the lineup on the floor right now:
jeffries
lee
nate
steph
crawford
that’s a more mobile lineup than the starting five.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Marbury with 7 assists. Nate and Craw both playing Shooting Guard at the same time.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Curry decides to come and start playing ball w/4 mins. to go in the 3rd.
By Jay Bee on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:10 pm
not looking good fellas.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:22 pm
This is a team in utter disarray…
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Curry = 6 pts, 2 rebs, 9 intensity…
We can’t get rid of this slob soon enough.
By bronxboy in Md on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:25 pm
that guy martin did the “bruce bowen” come under the feet thing and nate rolled his ankle.
he’s so tough he stayed in the game.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:30 pm
two threes in a row. it will be a 13 point game if crawford makes the free throw after the timeout.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:36 pm
isiah finally went back to the 3g2f lineup, 12 pt game and we have the ball.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:40 pm
10pt game off crawfords shot at the top of the key.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:41 pm
good d balk!
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:45 pm
looks like humphries broke lee’s nose with his impersonation of karl malone.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:51 pm
zach got benched, zero minutes in the second half, for not sitting next to isiah and talking smack to him in front of the entire team.
this team is in turmoil.
By knicksdefense on Jan 11, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Bronx,
It was a Boston blog that someone here referenced. The writer was speculating about having a player like Balk that could take defensive pressure off the starters.
By HarleminMD on Jan 11, 2008 at 10:20 pm
With the second pick of the 2008 draft is…..
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:26 am
…Dewayne Pettus, 6′2″ guard from Bethune-Cookman!
By Mike on Jan 12, 2008 at 1:15 am
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By Syd on Jan 12, 2008 at 7:26 am
What hurts about this Knick team is they are fooling themself’s!
They are not fooling us! They have much more talent than the 2001-2002-2003 Knick teams.
We never expected Those teams to win. We did expect this team to have the W-L column as it
is now to be reversed.
It is fact now that Thomas has lost this team. He let Marbury’s insurection slide, only
to have it haunt him with the actions of Q and Zach’s public display of disrespect slap
him in the face in front of all of us! He can’t blame anyone but himself for that.
Any hope that I held for this Knick team to turn it around is gone forever!
I would like to read each and every defender’s opinion on what or where do
we go from here?
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 9:18 am
i have no idea peaceman what it will take to turn it around but anything is possible in this league. it is very hard to believe on paper the teams that have winning records and the teams that have losing ones this year.
everybody’s favorite reporter to hate isola is reporting that dolan is leaking changes to be made at the garden, if you can believe that. i can not.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/01/12/2008-01-12_source_james_dolan_leaning_toward_firing.html
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:18 am
Went to see MODI’S suggestion ” The Great Debaters” last night, excellent movie!
Anyone see ” The Bucket List?” Is that about the Knicks?
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:48 am
WE still suck!!!
Plus we are all in the papers this morning with more than interesting news.
Dolan Leaning Towards Firing Isiah Before Season’s End
January 12, 2008 - 5:46 am
New York Daily News -
Source: Isiah Only Likes Three Players
January 12, 2008 - 5:51 am
Steph Rips Isiah Scheme
January 12, 2008 - 5:43 am
New York Daily News -
Are you serious right now?
This is a move we should’ve made a long time ago.
Maybe Isiah is trying to get fired.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:54 am
Davonn,
Yeah we suck! We must find a way to suck worse than Minni and Miami!
I mean lets be the BEST at something!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:05 am
Check this out!!!
There is no shortage of candidates either for Thomas’ front office job or his coaching job. Jerry West and Jerry Colangelo would be considered the top two candidates to become team president. Coincidentally, Colangelo’s son, Bryan, who is the GM of the Toronto Raptors, spoke briefly to Garden president Steve Mills before Friday night’s game.
The same source claims that “people are coming out of the woodwork to try and get Dolan’s attention.” The source said that group includes everyone from former Knicks - both recent and from decades ago - as well as current GMs.
“The same is true of guys who are trying to get the coaching job,” the source said.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:29 am
Defenders
Bad loss last night….again.
I tried to give IT the formula for winning in post #38,he did not listen.
Now we got this new thing with Zach’s attitude. Will it ever stop.
By D L T Knicks on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:36 am
from knicks knacks
And from shoot-around, here’s why Thomas isn’t sending Randolph Morris and Wilson Chandler to get some real minutes in the D-League:
“I just like the practice time and what they get here, and the hands-on we get to have here. They get to learn our system more, the way that we want to play. I just think the on-court time they get playing against the pros we have here is better for them. There are times and opportunities when you can send a player down to the D-League, but most of the time you want to keep a player in your system doing the things you do every day so you know when you need them, you can put them in a game. There’s a couple of games where Wilson came in and did a nice job for us only because he’s been here within our system.”
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:45 am
berman claims isiah only likes nate, lee and crawford.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122008/sports/knicks/isiah_ready_to_bolt_bench__678952.htm
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:49 am
@KnicksD #88
Can’t blame IT if that’s true.They are the only 3 players that bring something EVERY NIGHT!
By D L T Knicks on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:01 pm
The problem is not talent, and it is not Isiahs coaching either, the problem is that this team is one dimensional. It is not built as a team should be built. Isiah has gathered talents, but they can not play together, absolutly no team game at all. No playmaker, no 3-pointshooting, no insidedefense. You build a team upon different styles that suit eachother. This team is just built on talent alone, that doesnt work as we all can see.
Get a high draftpick, try to trade for a Rose as pointguard, let him run the show and see how he develops even if it takes a little time, bring Artest home during the summer to shoreup SF-position. Try to trade Zach or Eddy, cause it will just never work, ever. Bring in a rebounding, defensive player in the paint. Let Craw, Ron and Rose run the offense next year, try to trade to find complements to those players. Or make someother sort of miracle trade if it is possible.
By maestro on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Maestro
You are 100% correct.
I feel the biggest of those problems is the playmaker(point guard).
We have no one to control the team and stop the large amount of turnovers we commit.
Also,defense,Zach and EC are probably the only 6′10,6′11 players who can’t block a shot or play defense.
A player drives pass Zach and EC and it’s like they don’t care,just get down on the other end and put up some numbers.
I was happy when I heard of the players IT brought in at the time.
Did not realize:
Marybury doesn’t take care of the ball.
Crawford doesn’t play defense.
Q would continue to shoot 2-15.
Zach has no defensive skills at all.
EC would not block any shots and average 2-3 rebounds a game.
By D L T Knicks on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:43 pm
But,the players were brought in by IT,and he as GM will have to take the blame.
By D L T Knicks on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:55 pm
And as coach for not making it work.
By D L T Knicks on Jan 12, 2008 at 12:55 pm
NY Post is reporting the TV ads with the common knicks fans saying “did you hear that boston? a formidable front line” and “i love david lee” and so on were phony paid actors.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112008/news/regionalnews/a_sham_dunk_by_knicks_829666.htm
weather it is true or not, who knows? they could have had real auditions but went with these pseudo fans. to be honest with you they all sounded pretty phony to me. the asian girl, the dork with the long hair, the dork with the glasses, i didn’t buy it then, and i don’t buy it now.
if it is true, that’s too bad because i know real knicks fans would have done well to represent even if the team hasn’t won lately.
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 1:02 pm
DLT Knicks,
lets assume for the sake of arguement that it is true that isiah only likes those three guys. why aren’t two of those three guys in the starting five then?
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 1:06 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2008011118
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 1:14 pm
KnicksD
I do recall some sorts of comparisons of your points of view to that of Isola. I don’t recall such comments made by me. Heck I’m quite sure some of my Isiah as coach must go, or Isiah owes his team a public apology might be read by some as a rant that would be better served on papers like the Daily Snooze or New York Roast but I’m also sure that I have buildt up more than enough credibility here to be understood as a thick or thin Die Hard Knick fan, which I’m sure you are as well. That is why were all here on your blog. Really that’s all that matters to me that I’m amongst a family of Die Hard and ride or die fans.
Ok no more on that topic, don’t want to beat a dead horse.
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Bring back Glen Rice!
He’ll beat these guys out of the Closet!!!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I was wrong to get upset, where I come from you stick up for yourself when you get dissed, but I guess BARF was kidding around and i took it too seriously so BARF I apologize to you.
B&B, I thank you and BARF and Steady, STATEMAN, Post-up prince and AFRICAN and PEACEMAN, and DLT Knicks, Cooleyhigh, and Harlem in Md and BX in Md, and our scholar MODI and DVJ, maestro, LIVES and Syd and Jay Bee, and Tman, and Kevin Harewood, and Edward and Rockstar, George M, John Q, top shotta, ANTI-NYSports, Jazz, Popin Scoski, and really everyone that has come here and shared their thoughts as die hard knicks fans.
i want this knicks team to win just like you, because just like you B&B I am a fan of this team and not a PAID HATER like frank isola or mitch lawrence.
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Ok now back to blogging.
I wasn’t able to catch yesterday’s game.
Who did Bosh abuse to get to his game high 40 points?
Was it a combination of Eddy(too slow-no hustle), Zach(pinned to the pine), Lee(not quick enough), and Jefferies(muscled into the post)?
Also I think it’s good news to hear that Dolan may ax Isiah off the bench, and that this might be the chink in Isiah’s teflon suit.
Maestro has it dead on with regard to Isiah’s accumulation of non-complimentary talent being one of the principle reasons this team is where it is. Another reason, IMHO, would be his recruitment of what appears to be a “yes sir” coaching staff around him. Lastlly Isiah’s huge mistake of taking the coaching reigns to begin with which placed him at a huge conflict of interest between the moves made by Zeke the GM and Zeke the coach who tried to amke Zeke the GM’s moves look reasonable by overplaying incompatible line-ups to the teams detriment-and to the detriment of the youth on the team.
All that said I wonder whether a genuine replacement will be brought in at this stage in the season. If not who will become the interim- Herb WIlliam’s sole stint this year did not go so well and many of the Defenders poited out the mistakes made by Williams in that very winnable game against the Rockets.
A genuine replacement may not happen if Zeke’s ouster from the Bench is merely a precursor of his ouster from the organization in general.
Here is whay I hope happens and doesn’t happen- I’ll kepp it short.
Whoever steps to the plate as the interim coach- assuming no immediate replacement is hired- would be best served by:
a) Showcasing our overpaid babies untill the trading deadline- to see if we can shop them around- while our kids are sent down to the Dleague for a short stint of on the job training.
b) If no trades are managed by the trading deadline-assuming it as a possibility- call back up the kids who are in the D-league and then insert them into the game with either a combination of any of the following, greater minutes an increased role, insertion into the starting lineup.
c) Reduce the roles and perhaps take out of the starting lineup the players that will be on the trading block for next year– e.g., Rose, Marbury, etc.
d) If a coaching change is followed by a change in the GM, I hope the replacement doesn’t just clean house to put his “STAMP” on the team, Bronxboy, and Harmlemboy in MD have pointed out the foibles of that approach. Also note that there is some talent in our youth corp that just shouldn’t be part of an overall house cleaning by the incoming GM.
Boys Lets hope for a positive vibe to hit our moribund team.
Lets Go Knicks KFL!
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm
D L T, I agree with most of your points but the statement that “Marybury doesn’t take care of the ball” is not true.
Turnovers this year:
Zach = 3.1
Crawford = 2.8
Curry = 2.2 (down from last year - even while counting % of possessions)
Marbury = 2.0
If you check out Hollinger stats which measures turnover rate via posessions, then just about every single Knick is worse than Marbury with the exception of Nate. In fact Marbury and Nate are pretty much the only two Knicks good at taking care of the ball. Isiah’s man-love for Crawford and insistence that he split bringing up the ball with Marbury has been the wrong move. Don’t be fooled by the razzle-dazzle.
Nate has also emerged of late as the Knicks best perimeter shooter and should be playing alongside Marbury. Marbury needs the perimeter shooter as he likes to penetrate and kick out. IMO, this is the rotation that I wish that i could see:
Eddy then Zach (never together)
Lee (Malik or Jeffries for 10 min breather depending on defensive matchup)
Balkman/Jeffries (some Jamal at 3)
Nate
Marbury (with most ball handling duties)
Jamal is first off bench.
Q is benched.
If anything we are being hurt by
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Marbury’s comments make me throw up.
” I’m being paid 20 million and not being used right.”
I can’t root for Marbury with statements like that considering Zeke
gave him the team and Keys to the City….and Steph kicks Zeke when
he’s down with a remark like that??? That’s what the Ghetto Rat is worried about
at this time???? Like Zeke or not ..you see the piece of shit that Marbury is!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Peaceman
Basically it seems like it’s everyone for themselves, with a comment like that by Marbury.
These times will show us who is the wheat(worthy of keeping around should a housecleaning occurr) from the shaffe (those who pass the buck to others and show by their words and actions that their lack of service to the tam and organization will be at an end).
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Black & Blue,
These are the players I wish never wear a Knick uniform again after this season,
In order of their worthlessness and tude,
1.Q
2. Marbury
3. Zach
4. Collins
5. James
Remove these guys and Dave Hanners could coach and win more games
than what we have now!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I left Curry off that list because he doesn’t have a Bad Tude,
he is coachable if someone held him accountable!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:33 pm
UCONN IS GIVING GEORGETOWN FITS!!!!
COOLEY’S AT THAT GAME!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:37 pm
we’re putting up a forum soon you can start whatever knicks discussions you like. let me know if you guys like it.
also if you have any other suggestions on features you’d like knicksdefense to have, let me know.
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Peacemand
I can agree with you on all the players listed. But Curry would have to be on a very short leash.
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Peaceman,
I do believe there is MERIT to what Steph is saying. The team is CONSTRUCTED w/ Ballers(except Eddy) that would EXCEL in an UP-TEMPO game.
The strategy appears to run the Offense through Eddy, which slows everyone down including Zach, but Mainly Steph. Curry is too 1-dimensional
to build a team around, and in addition he doesn’t hustle all he time. I believe the other players see Curry on film not hustling
realize that their game is suffering, the team is losing, the fans are booing, and the players have had enough. Also,
how can Isiah sit players for not HUSTLING, yet Curry continues to play.
Peace, I also find it interesting that you wnat the Knicks to acquire a player (Artest), that has had run-ins w/ coaches everywhere he
has played, but you want to GET RID of guys that have CONFLICT w/ Isiah. Not sure I see the LOGIC.
Artest & Blesssings
By STATESMAN on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Knicksdefense,
Seeing that March Maddness is almost here, could we start a $20.00 a piece pool?
We could send you the S20, then all who’s money is in will be able to post their bracket,
and we could see the whole break down…winner takes all! It would be fun to compete
against the Hoop minds here during the big dance!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Statesman,
Steph very well may have Merit with that statement!
It’s the timeing of that statement that makes me sick!
He should have made his point last year!!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Statesman,
I was unaware that Collins had a beef with Zeke. I just don’t believe
he’s NBA material. I am a knicks fan first! I just won’t support any Player
who in Public view Disses his Coach! I don’t care who’s the coach! That behavior hurts your team!
Any beef can be handled in the locker room.
BTW, have you ever seen Artest Publicly Diss his coach on National or Local TV????
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Hibbert hit a trey with 2 seconds left to beat UCONN!!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:14 pm
”I’m being paid 20 million and not being used right.”
peaceman, I don’t like the statement being vocalized either, but I have never heard truer words. It has been 3 years and running since Marbury’s talents have been close to maximized. The way Marbury has been used on the Knicks is a poor man’s version of having Andrew Walter (Raiders QB last year) throwing the ball to Randy Moss. Moss was pouting and not earning his paycheck either. What a difference a year and a QB makes? It would be wonderful if everyone could be like Kevin Garnett was the last few years with the T-Wolves, but had he complained, I would have understood.
If Marbury was used right, there would be no more than 3 “scorers” in the starting line-up at the same time to keep him aggressive on offense. He would also be surrounded by at least one perimeter shooter (that can be Nate). We would also put an end to this splitting bringing it up with Jamal bullshit. And he would have no more than one low post guy in the paint at the same time. Isiah has removed all of Marbury’s greatest assets with his starting line-up and utilization.
Finally, for all the pre-Patriot talk about Moss, the most helpless position to be in, is to be a great player who isn’t ALLOWED to contribute to your team. To KNOW that you can make your team better but to be utilized at 20% is ridiculous. Even the great Jerry Rice used to complain when Steve Young ran too much or he wasn’t getting the ball enough. But nobody remembers that.
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Peaceman,
Artest was critical of Carlisle and the offense that he ran, and publicly stated that he needed more shots.
Artest was critical of Floyd w/ the Bulls thought he deserved as many shots as Brand.
Peace Artest is a Good Player, but he is a Pain in the AZZ. Not many teams want a Pain in the Azz around.
Peace, I have a question for you.
Tell me one situation that Ron-Ron has been in the NBA, where he did not cause drama, problems or was a Pain in the Azz.
Artest & Blessings
By STATESMAN on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:31 pm
You are being too hard on Marbury Part II:
Peace, I work in youthwork, and i think that i am pretty good at my job. In fact everywhere i have been, i have been a hard worker, got good evaluations, and got a long with everybody. I am definitely a people person, and work best in social interactions. Then I had one particular position for a years stretch where I hated my job to the point where I was complaining about it. Essentially, my role was switched from monitoring and training at youth agaencies to essentially sitting in front of a computer all day long and analyzing data. Now it wasn’t that I couldn’t be a good soldier, but to have the knowledge that some of my best talents were not being utilized at all was an incredibly frustrating experience and prompted me to complain a bit and ultimately to update my resume. It wasn’t merely an act of selfishness on my part. It was also the fact that I just KNEW that I could be 10 times more valuable to my company’s goal. …Unfortunately updating a resume is an option that does not exist for sports players under contract.
Peaceman, I don’t know what your own greatest work assets are, but imagine if your job stripped them away from you and you were a fraction of the employee you are today, you were being JUDGED on your new work performance, AND your company was going down the tubes on top of it? THEN you would feel like Stephon Marbury. And no, it has nothing to do with how much money that you get paid or Marbury gets paid. It is more intrinsic than that.
Peace and Blessings
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Modi,
You are doing work in Much Needed area.Continue & Big Props to you. I don’t think you can compare your situation to Steph.
Professional athletes generally look out for SELF, especially when they cross 30. If the Knicks were WINNING Steph would keep
his mouth shut, but they are not and he is saying to the league, “Hey I Still Got Game”. He’s marketing himself.
Peace & Blessings
By STATESMAN on Jan 12, 2008 at 4:52 pm
MODI
I note your defense of Marbury I and II.
Isn’t it also that Marbury has not had role players that allow him to maximize his complete skillset? E.g, the pick and roll to a big man who can consistently hit the mid range jumper
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Statesman,
You can be a pain in the AZZ as long as you do the dirty work!
Come on Statesman, Artest has never humiliated his coach in Public, has he?
When has a coach ever had a beef with Artest’s on court play? Defense? Rebounding?
Hustle? HEART???????? NEVER! All the things the Knicks lack!!!!
Even Jason Kidd did his dirty work on Scott behind closed doors!!!!
Magic stated he wanted to be traded that ended Westhead’s job!
When Zeke got extended last year was the time for legitimate complaints!
That’s when Steph should have pleaded his case!
Not when a man’s down!!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Modi and B&Blue: Steph and Zach should be a nice pick-n-roll combo but is Isiah Fudd trying this?Absolutely not.In fact this should be done when Curry is on the bench.But unfortunately Isiah Fudd is our GM & coach so he will lose his job b/c he won’t implement this when Curry is sitting.Mr.Fudd has let this situation spin so out of control that Now I want him fired!!! He refuses to go to the strengths of his highest paid player and for this he will go down fighting.
By George M. on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Marbury Defense Part 3;
I found God!…that case couldn’t be won with a Jury of 12 Gandhi’s!!!!!!!!!!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:19 pm
George M
“Isiah Fudd!”
LOL!
Well I see your point regarding Zach possibly being a solid pick and pop player with Steph. Why doesn’t it happen is an indictment on Fudd.
But also it seems to me that the Knicks set teh weakest most non comittal picks in the league.
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Isiah Fudd
Likes a starting lineup that maximizes chaos and disharmony coupled with a lack of defensive footspeed and intimidation from the 4 & 5 spots.
An offensive cacphony of the failed twin tower combo with Marbury and the great street ball player J-Chuck with Q, can’t hit the shallow side of the ocean, Richardson.
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:29 pm
“If the Knicks were WINNING Steph would keep his mouth shut”
statesman, yes, he certainly would. But that means that your personal sacrifices are leading to a greater good. When you believe that you are being used incorrectly, and your beliefs are CONFIRMED with the losses, then it is quite a different story. I am not ready to write it off as purely an act of marketing and selfishness, however, I won’t dismiss that it is some % of the equation. If I were in Marbury’s shoes, I would go a little crazy myself.
B & B, the answer is yes, but George makes a good point about Zach and Marbury having potential for the pick and roll or pick and pop. …If you took the pick and roll away from a guy like John Stockton, he would become just another decent player instead of a Hall-of-Famer.
As far as I am concerned, Jamal only does one small thing better than Marbury at the point guard position: feed Curry. Beyond that, there is less ball movement, more one-on-one, more turnovers, and fewer free throws.
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:35 pm
the screen and roll stuff reminds me of what hollinger was writing in september:
http://www.nysun.com/article/63420?page_no=4
By knicksdefense on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Peace, I do understand your disdain for players who publicly vocalize sentiments that undermine the team concept. Now let me ask you a question: how do you feel when coaches tend to do this? Now it doesn’t have to be Trevor Ariza being called “delusional”, but in general, when a coach publicly berates a player do you have a similar reaction? For example, what about Phil’s comments about Kobe at the start of the season…
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:38 pm
KD, I never read that Hollinger piece before, but he certainly makes a lot of points that I would agree with. And that is without even mentioning that Marbury runs a nice pick and roll.
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I concurr with the piece by Hollinger regarding how the Knicks might better utilize thier personnel in the absence of consistently legitimate three point shooters.
But I ask anyone this. Do you think that Idea has dawned on Isiah? He might take it as an affront to his coaching philisophy/approach.
Isiah Fudd’s fucked it all up so far.
By Black and Blue on Jan 12, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Modi,
That is a two way street! There are exceptions! Kobe was given the Lakers over Shaq!
It was clear to anyone Kobe the Superstar was being an Idiot!
In general Championship Hoop teams have harmony amoungst them! Detroit’s Bad Boys and Modern day, Duncan’s, Jordan’s, Bird’s and even Magic’s!
Westhead got what he deserved by berateing Magic! It was a move of Class by Magic, no bad mouthing
Westhead back! He just asked to be traded! The Locker room is wear you expose your dirty jocks! Not courtside!
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Correction…. “WHERE”
By Peaceman on Jan 12, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Coolleeyyhiiiigh!!!!!!!!!
Thank you sir. The Gtown game was a blast. The boys and I thoroughly enjoyed it. You threw a curveball at the end, but it was cool. You certainly didn’t have to do it, but thank you. And you know now that I’m a fake gangster.
You guys need to take up Cooley’s invite. You’ll enjoy it.
Steady, Modi, Bronx,
Hope to see yall on Friday.
By HarleminMD on Jan 12, 2008 at 6:47 pm
I hate working w/guys like Marbury who are looking for somebody else to blame instead of manning up and at least try to follow the gameplan given. He wants to score. He wants to be Starbury. Boo freakin’ hoo. If nothing else he should be doing whatever it takes to make this season right given his overwhelming contribution to our current status.
By Jay Bee on Jan 12, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Peaceman, I’m charging you with a blogging technical foul. Couldn’t you have just as easily made your point with “dirty socks” instead of “dirty jocks”?
Harlem, I’m in NYC but I sure wish I was in DC. Hibbert for a 3 at the buzzer! It must have been craaaaaaaaaaazy!
Jay Bee, I honestly think that it is much more than “he wants to be starbury”. I don’t see him hogging the ball like a number of other Knicks. I don’t see him needlessly stopping the offensive flow to get extra shots. If he did, then I would buy the just “Marbury wants to be Starbury” theory. But I mean, he REEEEEEEELLY is not being used right. Almost to the point of cutting him off at the knees. The Knicks weren’t exactly kicking ass during Marbury’s abscence? We NEED Marbury to score, and to penetrate, and to get to the line. If we want to win, we NEED that. He shouldn’t have said it, but he is still right.
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I can agree with that MODI except for one caveat. He lost his right to bi+ch and moan and his right to free speech when he bolted and when he took off a month for bereavement which was granted with the never good “Take as much time as you need.”. He took advantage of Zeke and the team and now he’s not being used right? I doubt any player in the history of the game has taken that much time away from the game to grieve. Even his airness whose dad was murdered, probably related to mj’s gambling didn’t take as long away to grieve. I guess my point is that in his abdication of his leadership role, I don’t want to hear anything he’s got to say except “I’m sorry” and “Yes Sir”. He hasn’t earned the right to complain. It’s a shame too because PG is a natural leadership position.
I would propose that we could win with him as more of a distributor. All he was asked to do was to do a better job of decision making out there and play some defense.
The same thing Zeke should be telling Crawford.
By Jay Bee on Jan 12, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Okay, Jay Bee, fair enough. I’ve had a column on Marbury in my head for a long time. Maybe I will put it down in the next couple of weeks. it should provide a reasonable response that I just can’t do in a paragraph or two…
By MODI on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Celtics have lost 2 of 3 all of a sudden.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Jan 12, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Yeah, now they’re 30-5. The season’s long. They can make it back up.
By Jay Bee on Jan 12, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Stephon Marbury again.
I am surprised at some of the support for Marbs.
When has his score-first games won something for some team? Its not that he’s been tied up or something. He’s had numerous chances to run this team and has failed most of the time. He should STFU
While I still believe he is the best guard on the team at the moment, I think the Knicks will be better off without him and he obviously wants to leave. The problem is how to trade such a guy with stars like KG, Lebron, etc openly saying they wouldn’t want him on their team.
By Jazz on Jan 13, 2008 at 12:21 am
FIRE Doc Rivers!!!!
By Jazz on Jan 13, 2008 at 12:24 am
“Even his airness whose dad was murdered, probably related to mj’s gambling…”
really Jay Bee? you think it was related? because the media made it seem like a random interstate highway murder at a rest area, now I’ve got the ending of the movie Hoffa in my mind. and with all the CREAM jordan has earned over the years, I wouldn’t think he’d have any problems coughing up lost bet debt but that is a very interesting theory I had never heard before.
By knicksdefense on Jan 13, 2008 at 1:00 am
Isiah was defiant yesterday when BEAT reporters posed to Zeke the question of his possible dismissal by James Dolan.
Although I wouldn’t put Dolan axing Thomas outside of the range of possibility, the following blurb from that article tells me a bit about the quality of “reporting” that comes out of the tabloid style Daily Snooze, and Roast.
‘The Daily News, citing an anonymous source, reported Saturday that Dolan was in fact “preparing” to fire Thomas and could do so before the end of the season.
That report was contradicted by Barry Watkins, the Garden’s senior vice president for communications, who described the situation as “status quo.” Watkins said that nothing had changed since Dec. 8.
Thomas said he did not need a public statement of support. “I think the fact that there hasn’t been a change has let you know that,” he said. “When Mr. Dolan wants to do something, he does it.”
Another article, in The New York Post, reported that Thomas was considering whether to give up his coaching post and retreat to his position as team president.
“That was just a flat-out lie,” Thomas said. “I would never, ever, ever quit. Ever.”’
I don’t know if I should interpret Thomas’s defiance as a sign of moxy or as a tiding of even more bad news for our moribund Knicks franchise?
Also seems like some decent background reporting was done at the Daily News regarding the topic of losing cycles with the Knicks in the Big Apple.
With regards to the back and forth about Mebury, I think he our best all around gaurd, who has failed to provide the leadership, example setting, and guidance the Knicks have sorely lacked. The Phoenix blow-up with Isiah where just falling in line and leading by example might have lessened the team’s malaise but where instead Marbury added more drama division and fuel for the NY Sports Drama mill did nothing to help my opinion of Marbury.
By Black and Blue on Jan 13, 2008 at 9:40 am
Hey to the Defenders who are more attuned to the College game… could any of you perhaps provide us pure NBA heads with more articles regarding players you believe could help the Knicks for this upcoming draft. Make your arguments as to which NEED the player will be able to fill, and whether the player will either be an impact player or a development project-assuming we have an early 2nd round pick who could develop to fill a Need somewhere down the line.
KnicksD
Since we most of us recognize that this season is basically lost, do you think the aformentioned would be a good topic for a forum thread. Another Idea I have is doing a forum of possible coaching replacements, whith Isiah as GM, and GM Coaching replacements should Isiah be axed.
Good day to all defenders
Lets Go Knicks
and
Lets Go Giants
New York Sports needs the Gmen to carry the city’s banner at this point
Ciao!
By Black and Blue on Jan 13, 2008 at 9:45 am
Statesmen, Modi,
You guys seem stuck on evaluating Marbury favorably without looking at the entire package. Last year Marbury made me a believer because he did all the things he needed to do to win. Although the Knicks won only 33 games, he played excellent defense and did his best job to date as an overall player. This year I was a believerr until it was clear that your favorite Knick point guard is a deceiver.
With all due respect the notion that Marbury should be able to dictate how he is best used is as ridiculous as Curry dictating how he should be used. What shooting point guard in this league is dominating the ball, distributing the ball and taking his team to the Chip. What point guard as Marbury has described himself has done that? Nada. None. Zip. Marbury is teasing you because he has great talent including the ability to dominate the game. But this year, while Marbury may still has the talent, he has done absolutely nothing to demonstrate the leadership and team-focused comraderie needed to lead a team to victory. No matter how many lap dances one does for Marbury, you will not make those qualities stand up or even appear. One can ignore them, but they are an essential component to determining the overall utility and effectiveness of the player.
States, probably tongue in cheek (his own not Marbury’s), talked about hedging when I stated that I would take a Marbury both mentally healthy and physically intuned anytime, whereas he would just ake Marbury regardless of his mental health or status. No need to call that notion for what it is. But I will suggest that to indicate that Marbury has a clue about how he should be used is laughable adn to suggest that any GM should build their team around Marbury’s talent is certainly one approach. But I would agree with the GM who would see that Marbury is only one of 15 players with a unique skill set and a commone mindset. The other approach which makes more sense from a GM perspective is to build with him and not around him.
Did Marbury come with a “Buyer Beware” sign attached. “Oh, Mr. GM, check the fine print I intend to only perform well when you start me. let me dominate the ball and allow me to shoot like I did when I was a kid and when they were talking about me in relation to the “Big O” I’m a great player but I don’t function well when I am asked to make mental adjustments.”
I understand the support of Marbury, because him playing like last year or being traded is the Knicks only hope of winning anything. Well that train has left the station. Marbury is not prepared to do anything for anybody but be disruptive and destructive. Peace claims that Marbury couldn’t convince a jury of Ghandi’s peers that he is seeking communion with holiness; more like he would be found guilty o being holier than thou. Funny, but I don’t see any evidence to the contrary.
Yes, everybody must take blame for this situation. And yes, losijng breeds contempt, but for you guys to talk about Marbury like he is saying something that is meaningful for the correction of the Knicks is laughable not laudable. In my mind he can only say two things that would improve the Knicks: “Goodbye” or “I’m ready to serve.”
Build the roster around Marbury. Pipe dreaming or pipe huffing. You pick.
By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Jan 13, 2008 at 11:57 am