New York@Orlando

December 26, 2007 – 9:58 am

Back to business. The Knicks take on the Magic tonight in Orlando, game time 7pm. Orlando is one of the top teams in the eastern conference, but they’ve been much better on the road (13-5) than at home (5-6), and have recently struggled losing 7 of their last 10 games including four straight losses at TD Waterhouse. The odds are still against the Knicks since they are a dismal 1-10 on the road this season, but if Isiah actually follows through with his recent remarks about finally changing the starting five, this could be a very winnable game for the New York Knicks, because if Isiah plays the right team, the Knicks won’t be digging a hole in the first half–as has been the case lately for the Knicks.

Stephon Marbury is rumored not to be available for tonight’s game. Nate Robinson would be a good choice in the starting lineup, although Isiah will instead choose Jones again.

Turkoglu recently suffered an ankle injury that may limit his playing time tonight, and he is a 20-point scorer for the magic this season. Rashard Lewis has struggled shooting the ball recently, and it is safe to say this team is only as good as Turkoglu and Lewis’ play. Dwight Howard doesn’t know how to have a bad game this year and is averaging MVP-candidate numbers at 23.4 points 15.0 rebounds and 2.6 blocks on the season. The Magic have been booed by their fans lately.  They probably shouldn’t have traded Trevor Ariza away last month.

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Bulls fire Skiles, shop Wallace

Scotty Skiles just got fired from the Bulls (9-16) with a better record than the Knicks (8-19) had going into the holidays. It will be interesting to see if Isiah has any interest in acquiring Skiles as a coach for the Knicks, assuming Isiah can stay on as GM. Also, realgm is reporting Ben Wallace is now available from the Bulls, should the Knicks be interested in packaging either of their two low-post scorers to get TEAM DEFENSE and SHOT-BLOCKING, two major areas of weakness for the Knicks. I personally like last season’s Knicks team better than this one, and I’d imagine Eddy Curry and Ben Wallace or Zach Randolph and Ben Wallace would be a great pairing for the Knicks to return to relevance in the NBA. It seems with Joakim Noah, Ty Thomas and Nocioni, the Bulls no longer need Wallace and would like to make a move to acquire the one thing they don’t have: a real low-post scorer. Consider it sleeping with the enemy, but the two former eastern conference titans could help each other out. It probably won’t happen, but I don’t think it should be dismissed so quickly considering New York’s needs. Wallace is having a bad year statistically, however, and may be slowing down in his 11th year in the NBA.

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  1. 549 Responses to “New York@Orlando”

  2. I would Wallace on condition that the Bulls add either Deng or Gordon

    We need to be careful of the lineup chnages also. But we should give more playing time to the scholar. Maybe it it will be Zbo/Lee in the Starting lineup and Curry/Malik as the subs

    LGK. Get a good win tonight

    By Jazz on Dec 26, 2007

  3. TD Cooley,
    I responded to your last post in the previous thread. That minute sermon is a classic and
    fit to RE-print. I’m sending it out again.

    DVJ,
    Are you still leading the Counter-protest movement during the Bulls game? I recall Anti-,
    Starburyfan and Peaceman said they were down.

    Knicksdefense,
    You forgot the Just Bloggin’ at the end of that post. Starburyfan or Blogzilla would not
    make that mistake. Now that Skiles was fired, you think he becomes a better option for the
    Knicks? What about the loyal (to a fault) Herb Williams or Dave Hanners (who did a bang-up
    job with the summer league entry)? I would much rather see a JVG redux (part II) before a
    “recently fired” Skiles. If we’re supposed to hold IT to his words (which he has changed
    more often than Mason used to change hair carvings), we could be in for a player revolt
    (through “miscommunication” and poorly exectued plays) that leaves him no choice but
    to replace the coach. Just bloggin’.

    KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 26, 2007

  4. Forget Wallace. He seems to have aged a decade in the last 2 years. I can’t wait to see this “new and improved” line up tonite. Hopefully it ends up in a check for our meager win column.

    The wife got me a new Knicks shirt for xmas and for the 1st time ever I was disappointed.
    Thet was until I turned it around and saw the number 10 and Clydes name on the back. I knew I loved that woman. lol.

    By JohnQ on Dec 26, 2007

  5. Question

    Does anyone think Da Bulls are now playing the power ball lottery.

    If they do well with the interim guy.

    The GM looks great.

    If not then, the fired Skiles takes pressure off of the team and for a short bit even John Paxon.

    Whats the word around the blogosphere.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  6. Hey!

    Seems like Jason Williams is getting soured on the topic of playing in Miami.

    His ego appears to be bruised due to constant trade speculation, invovling the Vanilla Ice protoge.

    Does anyone think Fred Jones would be a good matchup against the Magic’s quick but small PG?

    Or would Nate be the better player to put into the starting 5 this time around.

    ALso remember that if Curry sits, that Zach was shut down when Magic Coach RON JEREMY placed howard to cover Zach 1-1.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  7. DEE-FENDERS,

    It appears that there is a WAR of WILLS going on at the Garden. Isiah vs. Steph, or Steph vs. Isiah. I do believe that
    everyone is ENTITLED to time off for BEREAVEMENT, but there appears to be something else going on. Has Steph decided that he will
    no longer play for Isiah? Is Steph waiting for Isiah to plead for his return? Has Steph decided that he will wait until Isiah is FIRED,
    before he RETURNS? Or, Has Isiah told Steph to stay away until I trade you,ala AI with the 76ers last year. Man, it’s NEVER just
    BASKETBALL!!

    Regarding the new lineup. Lee,Zach,Jeffreys,Crawful,Jones. Lee will have to man middle on offense to allow Zach, room on the court. If Lee
    & Jeffreys are playing forward, pack it in and DARE either one to beat you w/ the 15ft. jumper. I would start Balk, instead of Jeffreys,
    because Balk can Finish. One thing you’ll see w/ JJeff, is that he can’t finish around the hoop. He misses more put-backs, lay-ups,
    short-shots, then any guy in the league. Also what compounds this, is his anemic free-throw shooting. So not only will you not get
    the And 1, but you more then likely will get zero points, if he’s fouled. Balk can finish, but he will probably be in Foul-Trouble,
    in the 1st quarter. Q should play better off the bench, besides the Magic forwards’ height puts him at a major disadvantage.

    Back-Court. DEE-FENDERS, we have to start Jones or the Front-Court will not see the ball. Some Dee-fenders love numbers, so
    take a look at this- Last 2 games, Crawful- fgm/fga= 17/43, w/ 4 Assist. This guy is averaging 21.5 shots a game, WOW!!! These
    are Kobe numbers w/ JChuck results. N8- fgm/fga= 13/29 w/ 2 Assist. If Zeke start these guys together the front-court will not see
    the ball. Can anyone think of a WORSE back-court DEFENSIVELY then Crawful and N8. Ken Berger had an interesting article in today’s Newsday.
    Man let’s work Mardy into the rotation.

    When you are 8 & 19, you should practice on Christmas. Some teams played on Christmas.

    Finally a BIG-SHOUT OUT to Syd. A luddite like myself really appreciates you compiling the articles in one place.

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  8. I think Steph is holding out till his arbitration case is settled. If it doesn’t go in his favor, he might probably asks for a trade.

    Orlando offer a lot of challenges but it depends on how we come out tonight.

    By Jazz on Dec 26, 2007

  9. @ Statesman..

    That’s a very good point on the Isiah vs. Steph thingy….

    I mean, not tryna sound insensitive, but it seems as thought it’s taking Steph an unusually long time to get past this.

    I lost both of my parents as an adult, but life must go on. Babies need to eat, and they need shoes as well….lol

    As far as them waiting each other out, I’ll bet Zeke outlasts Steph. I don’t think he really has the desire to play anymore, at least for now (see Jordan in 93′)

    He would probably accept a buyout right about now.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  10. How long is too long when you are grieving ? That’s the question. My job gives us 5 days for a parent death. 3 for another relative.

    At last count Steph has been paid more than 1 million while he grieves. When is enough, enough ????

    By JohnQ on Dec 26, 2007

  11. just bloggin’, that’s what this is steady. a blog.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  12. @Statesman

    Good point! I wonder more, are the Knicks telling Steph to stay away?
    After the Phoenix game,most of us now know Steph was paying respect to a mentor.
    But….the team voted him not to play, and there, the wall started.
    I think Zeke lost respect, and the other players lost respect for Zeke too.
    Or why vote, if you don’t follow the results of the vote?

    Now that Chicago fired their coach this week,this adds more pressure to The Knicks and their fans to expect something to happen also.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  13. Steady, I will be there with my Kobe jersey on LOL
    Just kidding.
    I will be there in support of Isiah though.
    Hopefully one of them can say something to me so we can have a debate and
    I can educate them on some basketball.
    I hope the media will be there also because I want the
    entire NYC to hear what I (we) have to say.
    We need some women basketball fans on here LOL.
    I don’t know if we’ll be new and improved tonight but it’s good
    Isiah is shaking things up.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  14. ken berger has some recent knick quotes on his blog.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  15. @KnicksD

    Good article.

    Now all Zeke has to do is Man-up and tell Curry to ride the pine.

    Lee will provide more energy,hustle and rebounding.

    Whoever heard of a 6′11 285 center which only collects 1 or 2 rebounds a/gm?

    And I would consider starting N8!!

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  16. Let’s go with

    N8
    Crawford
    JJeferies
    Lee
    Zach

    ……for the win

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  17. I agree DLT

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  18. Just wish Zeke would just Man-up and tell Curry to ride the pine.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  19. Marbury making noise.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  20. Knickdefense: I agree with Statesman and John Q that trading Curry or Zach to Chicago for Ben Wallace would be a mistake, giving up much youth for a player whose talent and energy has diminished at the end of his career.

    With Turkoglu out, Knicks have a chance against Orlando, but playing on the road has been a major struggle for this team. I also would not count on Rasheed Lewis continuing to struggle. Knicks weak perimeter defense could prove to be right medicine for Lewis to have a breakout game. Ultimately, Knicks must stop Howard in the middle. Here I disagree with Statesman about starting Balkman over Jeffries.
    Jeffries may be capable of defending against Howard, whereas Lee and Zach are too
    small for the Orlando center. On offense, Jeffries will switch over to the 3 spot.
    If Howard guard Zach, Zbo could at least take him outside and open up the middle
    for Lee who is developing a post-up game. Curry will still get minutes replacing Zach and lee at varying intervals.

    As for Steph and Isiah, I am not certain as to what is going on in Steph’s head. Accroding to Marc Berman in today’s Post, Steph is not flying to Florida for the game;
    and Post speculates that Steph may be trying to “stick” it to Isiah as the team is
    state of disarray. Berman, of course, has not specifically cited an interview with
    Steph, but seems to have a pipeline or e-mail relationship with Steph. Remember that Steph served as guest host for Berman’s blog this summer; and once e-mailed Berman that he was flying out to L.A. after earlier feud with Zeke.

    Speaking for myself, I would rather have Marbury absent as opposed to sulking and playing half-heartedly. If he can, however, get his head on straight and play with
    enthusiasm and energy, Marbury can make a positive impact on offense; he can break down the defense, drive to the basket, often sink foul shots, and generally offer more options to keep the opponents from double-teaming Zach and Curry.

    With or without Marbury, I want to see more of Chandler and Balkman. Knicks have a chance tonight. LGK
    and Balkman; and

    I

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 26, 2007

  21. $$$$$ Per 82 games

    For night’s game each player will make(based on 82 games)

    Marbury=231,859.+
    Zach=162,601.+
    Curry= 109,116.+
    Q= 98,847.+
    Crawford= 96,585.+
    Rose=86,600.+
    James= 70,731.+
    Jeferies= 68,685.+
    These numbers are more than most of us make for a year……except Steady.lol
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Lee= 12,080.+

    For these numbers we are 8-19, the largest payroll 95,394
    That’s 21 million than Boston pays for their 22-3 record.

    WE SHOULD BE REALLY MAD!
    And Lee needs a raise,quickly.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  22. Guys

    Nate over Fred Jones in the starting line-up?

    I just have a bad memory of the 6 foot Jameer Nelson shooting a 3 pointer over the undersized 5,8 Nate.

    At least Jones has 2 inches on Jameer is comparably as athletic as Nate, and can be placed on Jameer on the Defensive end, while setting up from the perimeter to hit the Three- assuming Crawford does more than try to break his man off the dribble and discovers the concept of passing out the rock!

    Chandlers length and athleticsm could also be used on double teams to contain Howard.

    I get the feeling Jefferies will get bowled over by howard if he is put directly on him.

    Jefferies role should be to provide help defense.

    Also if and whe if at all Balkman or Chandler get some burn, Lee should set picks to free them going to the basket– assuming Howard is playing a tight man to man on Randolp, and Randolph gets that good ole passing feeling!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  23. DLT

    The worst thing about the bloated payroll is that it shows to me that the team is willing to lavish the players in New York with big contracts but with the younger guys who could use a healthy investment of Offensive coaching (shooting coach), and defensive coaching or mentoring from a proven HOF player the team does SQUAT!

    That to me is a waste of an investment.

    Ans as KnicksDee says paying short no defense playing ole timer w/o HOF credentials to teach fat man post moves, is not my idea of player development.

    Get a shooting coach for the SF.

    Get a defensive specialist to orient the young guys as to the smart way of playin D that way they maximize their natural gifts with a solid winning approach.

    ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  24. Great blog, Post-up Prince….who knows what drama exists in Steph’s head, who cares as long as he produces on the court. As behind-the-scenes drama goes, it sure beats the immortal Howard_Eisley_vs_Charlie_Ward debates.

    Agreed - not too many will compete strength-wise in the post against Dwight, but length is useful….i could see Isiah sticking with scrappy smallball with JJ at the 4 for some minutes.

    Zach saying “Shoot, i ain’t played my way out of it!” after practice is a bit of a downer. He could have spun that situation into a chance to mold his own image in NY as a team player in the eyes of the fans with a careful answer! Oh, well. To the bench he goes for LardBoy.

    Ugh, i can’t believe there are calls for a disgruntled, aging Malik Rose back into the rotation. i understand the reasons why, he is a marginal upgrade over the Morris, but c’mon. Are those few backup minutes behind the power trio really so important that we can’t take a sneak peak at a prospect rather than an over-the-hill malcontent? Frankly, i’d prefer to see James in instead, with Malik punished for loose lips. How’s James’ soft tissue injury coming along, anyone know?

    By PaulNoize on Dec 26, 2007

  25. I cannot believe Zach got benched in favor of Curry! WTF!? I bet Zach has more rebounds than Curry tonight, who wants some of that action?

    By Marzak on Dec 26, 2007

  26. Curry is the one who has played his way out of the rotation IMO. I feel bad for Zach. He’s a better all around player than EC. If Curry doesn’t show up tonight, then what ? Do we plug ZBo in instead to start next game ? It should be interesting to see if Zach gives more effort coming off the bench or balks at his new role. He sure as hell didn’t sound pleased. Zeke is desperate.

    I’m afraid to even make any predictions on this game. GoNYGo

    By JohnQ on Dec 26, 2007

  27. Zach did not cost 2 lottery picks. Reward Curry for not rebounding or playing D. Zach did not make Curry grab 1 rebound.
    Msybe this is Curry’s punishment. Mke him play Howard. Another BIZARRE MOVE.

    Peace & Blessings

    Peace & Blessing

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  28. I would say that Curry’s gonna be in Howard’s poster tonight but he doesn’t even have enough heart to contest the dunk.

    By Marzak on Dec 26, 2007

  29. I can’t believe QRich is still in the lineup.

    By Top Shotta on Dec 26, 2007

  30. Just tuned in and I see that Curry will start vice Zach….

    Has Zeke lost his mind????

    Why is he playing kissy-kissy with Curry?

    This shyt had better work, or he will lose this team for sure, if he hasn’t already.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  31. I like the line up change.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  32. Checking in, but getting caught up on the reading will take time.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  33. Modi,

    This is what I mean by relationships established why he was full-time GM. Curry & Q, BIZARRE???

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  34. yeah Q is no good this year. would love to see balk or even chandler instead. q was great last year, but he hasn’t performed this season at the three. lets see if he’s still quick enough to defend the two.

    but this is isiahs squad to live and die with. let’s see if eddy can do anything without zack there.

    glad david is in the starting five. AND jeffries. too bad about nate.

    remember that january we had last year? six wins in a row?

    LGK.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  35. The only possible logic I can fathom as to why Curry is starting ahead of Randolph is the following.

    1. Last time Zach played and had Howard on him, it showed how an athletic mobile big- who whatsmore has some height on Randolph- could shut down Z-Bo. Curry for his lack of an outside game in Zach’s range does take it to the rack and has the size and strenght to match Howard.

    2. Curry being a less confident and more shaky in his sense of self may suffer more from a benching, whereas, Z-Bo might take the benching as a challenge– here your guesse is as good as mine.

    3. With Lee on the 4 spot he makes up for some of Curry’s detriments, a strong rebounder to offset Curry’s mediocre rebounding.

    4. A related pointe is that starting Curry over Zach may go towards warming up Curry at the get go so he can build confident once he has to hit the pine and defer minutes to Zach.

    What are your thoughts?

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  36. Take those two Chi-town pussies out the game…

    Curry makes me wanna throw up…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  37. curry is bullsh*t this year.
    two fouls in the first three minutes.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  38. good play on both ends of the court by q drawing the charge and hitting the three.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  39. magic beating the knicks down the floor.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  40. zach is tearing it up off the bench

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  41. I will say that Zach appears to be taking his benching as a challenge rather than insult.

    That’s my preliminary assestment.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  42. Howard is wrecking ball on the fast break.

    A big who runs the floor hard and has the hops and power to finish.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  43. Let’s hope Crawford doesn’t continue to get blown past by Nelson.

    That is why I would have preferred Fred Jones in the starting 5.

    But so far so good!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  44. @ Black and Blue..

    That how Zach would take it…he’s a fighter….

    You were correct in your assessment of benching Curry…he would’ve wound up more pathetic than he currently is.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  45. If Lee gets that perimeter shot down, we’ll be calling him DeBuscherre.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  46. zach has to use a pump fake against howard, he just gets up too high to make one move on him.
    nate comes in for q who apparently shaved his head.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  47. game looks very winnable so far for the knicks.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  48. Zeke has got to put the team on the shoulders of Zach and Jamal for now, with Lee flankin’ em’….

    Did Augustine play for Illinois???

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  49. Jamal with two assists in the first. He must’ve gotten my memo.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  50. Yes. @ Augustine

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  51. KnicksD

    “Winnable” is a word that has huanted me all season long.

    How many times have we lost to teams we were either capable of beating or “supposed” to beat?

    BrnxBoy

    Yep. It kills two birds with one stone.

    Prevents Curry from further going towards a downward spiral.

    And Zach will be motivated to prove he is worth starting or at least 6th man consideration.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  52. @ Black and Blue,

    Makes sense to me…..

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  53. Thanks, Jay Bee…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  54. I’ll say it again….I like the line up change.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  55. The Knicks are fighting tonite, at least…

    Never thought I’d say that I’m looking forward to Jerome James’ return….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  56. Q at the 2! Jeffries at the 3! Finally!!!

    Zach’s a big boy. He’ll be alright.

    By HarleminMD on Dec 26, 2007

  57. Zach has been holding his hand.

    Hope it’s not anything serious.

    Freakin Hedo TURKoglu.

    Why doesn’t he go back to Turkey and do what he does best to the Kurds, Romani, and Armenians

    Just Bloggin!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  58. I love me them hard fouls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  59. The ball movement and defensive rotations are lovely….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  60. Q is fuggin’ useless…

    Can’t buy a shot or stop one….Lewis is fryin’ him!!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  61. Lovely indeed!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  62. “Good Things Happen!”

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  63. Damn league pass froze me on the computer again!!! I was waiting for this game all week!!!

    By HarleminMD on Dec 26, 2007

  64. N8 is playin’ his azz off…..

    Zeke better quit with the “Knix Politix” and play the dudes that ought to play.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  65. Balk shoud get those minutes Q is getting!

    I hate seeing a hustle player like Balk sit and not get some burn!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  66. Q starts at 2, then quickly goes back to 3? What is up with this guy?

    By HarleminMD on Dec 26, 2007

  67. Curry = Addition by Subtraction

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  68. True on Balkman, Black and Blue…

    He’s been out of the rotation so long, I forgot about him as one of the pieces….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  69. I heard Fred Jones yell “baseline, Zbo”…

    He didn’t move, of course…

    Bogan hits the three…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  70. awesome shot by q to end the first half!

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  71. I love the fight in the Orange and Blue dog tonight!

    The Magic were getting momentum and Bam! A steal! and Q does the unthinkable!

    He actually makes a trey!

    Hope that gets him going.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  72. First half notes:
    The good
    ————
    N8 6-10 / 16 pts.
    Lee 4 pts 7 reb.

    The bad
    ————
    Crawford 3-11 / 10 pts.
    Q 2-8 / 6 pts

    The ugly
    ————
    Curry goose eggs 2 minutes played
    Lewis 6-10 / 15 pts

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  73. jeffries!

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  74. TURKoglu- the TUrk and Lewis make threes so effortlessly!

    Fuckin blows!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  75. d lee with 10 and 10
    knicks look good on the break
    jeffries hit a three point play, then came down and made a nice jumper from near 3-pt territory.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  76. Fuckin Armenian Holocaust!

    Just Bloggin!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  77. Knicks on an 8-2 run.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  78. These dude are fighting!!

    Curry should be ashamed of himself…

    Fat fuck!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  79. Stan Van calls time out to unbunch his underpants.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  80. Arroyo = Arros con Pollo ARROYO!

    ROLMFAO

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  81. wow great lob from lee to randolph for the three point play.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  82. zach blew the free throw.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  83. Ron Jeremy

    Unbuckling his pants!

    LOL

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  84. Ever wonder why you never see Stan Van and Ron Jeremy in the same place at the same time? Yeah, that’s right. It’s the same guy.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  85. We’re thinking alike here B&B. @Ron Jeremy

    By Jay Bee on Dec 26, 2007

  86. LMAO!

    “Ever wonder why you never see Stan Van and Ron Jeremy in the same place at the same time? Yeah, that’s right. It’s the same guy.”

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  87. Bone headed

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  88. Can’t blame Jefferies.

    Howard is a bully and shoved Jeffferies out the way w/o getting the whistle blown!

    Hate the NBA

    Nothing But Actors!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  89. just like i said during the brawl last year. jeffries is a true knick warrior.

    howard is a dirty player in the vein of karl malone or some of those other cats that claim to be good Christians but injure players on a regular basis.

    love to see the laundry list of all the players karl malone put on the IR list. howard got karl malone’s elbows.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  90. WTF is up with Q’s shot?????

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  91. renaldo had beef with howard during the first game as well.

    too bad curry isn’t in there throwing elbows back.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  92. I think the only reason Q stays in the game, other than on ocassion a good defensive showing, is b/c he presents the “threat” of the three point shot.

    However, b/c his trey is so off this season, I wonder if any team actually respects the threat anymore.

    If not then why continue to go with him in extended action.

    Get Balk or Chandler in!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  93. Q ain’t shit

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  94. That might be true about Q’s “threat” of a shot once upon a time…

    But I believe word around the league is that Q’s shot is no more.

    It’s a an empty threat, I guess.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  95. KnicksD/

    Agree about Jefferies heart!

    He won’t back down from the monster!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  96. Isiah is an ass!!!
    Q is going to get Isiah fired.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  97. I’ll sign onto that # 94 DVJ!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  98. ROFL @ DVJ….

    “Q is going to get Isiah fired”..

    That’s that “undying loyalty” we were speaking of…..

    Kinda foolish if you ask me.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  99. Zach looks like he twitches sometimes!!!
    Plus his lips be black as hell !!!!!
    LOL

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  100. IMHO

    This is where the easy blocks from teh high jumping howard that results in Knick turnovers for fast break buckets against Zach helps spur the Magic on!

    This is where E-City could be well served to play in teh post.

    Just my opinion!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  101. Scholar got SCHOOLED by a youngin with less NBA experience!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  102. Just got off a flight and am in ATL,
    Guys fill me in please? Man we are close!
    Listening to Audio Pass!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  103. It AMAZES me how Curry watches OTHER PEOPLE REBOUND!!

    He’s heading back downcourt while the ball is STILL IN THE AIR!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  104. He, Curry, also doesn’t hustle back down court!

    TURKoglu of the ravenous Ottoman Turks is shooting unconscious tonight.

    He makes it look so effortless.

    I’m sure he showed that same vigor against his Armenian Neighbors.

    Just Bloggin!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  105. Same shit

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  106. @ Peace,

    We were close till Zeke put Eddy back in the game.

    AFter picking up two silly fouls early on, he sat all of two mins in the first half, and sat most of the second half as well.

    We were givin’ em’ a run for their money for most of the game.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  107. Why do we have Jeffries? Shouldn’t he be on Turk?

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  108. Isiah can’t coach for nothing.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  109. Curry is not mentally ready to compete at the NBA level at the present.

    Zeke really needs to consider a sports psychiatrist for him.

    I’m serious.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  110. Where is Jeffries for Turk?

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  111. Curry and Steph are not mentally ready to compete….

    Q is not physically ready to compete….

    Zeke is gonna ride or die with those dudes.

    And we’re gonna suffer along with em’.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  112. “Why do we have Jeffries? Shouldn’t he be on Turk?”

    My sentiments exactly!

    Always the 6,9 or 6,10 guy who shoots smoothly and from distance is covered by Q who has no three threat at all.

    It fuckin befuddles me to no end!

    Get Balk or Chandler in there, at least Balk will make their big SFs work on the offensive end.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  113. Please go back to my posts and see where I said…
    We don’t need Curry!!!
    That new Mike Breen commercial gave me a new respect for him.
    I didn’t know he was from Westchester (Yonkers)
    Maybe he knows the LOX.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  114. Preach Gus!!!!

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  115. Brx,
    It’s not mental w/ Curry, it’s all PHYSICAL. He is not in shape. LA’S Bynum is listed at 7.1-285, Curry 6.11-285.
    Eddyis about 35 pounds overweight and he’s doesn’t have any endurance. That’s why all of the fouls.

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  116. Gus said
    “the Knicks need to get a scoring 3″

    When is the Artest trade going to happen?

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  117. The Knicks are trash.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  118. Better happen soon that trade!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  119. Fred Jones doesn’t belong here.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  120. The four dudes that Zeke counted heavily upon this season…

    Steph
    Curry
    Zbo
    Q

    Have for the most part been major disappointments.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  121. We need a new everything.
    Why is Zach on the bench?

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  122. @ Statesman,

    I disagree!!

    Granted, he is overweight, but that dude has no heart at all.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  123. No Z-Bo is playing hard!!
    He always plays hard.
    Isiah doesn’t know how to utilize his talent.
    He’s going to lose his job because of that.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  124. Maybe he is show casing Q.
    That’s the only thing I can think of.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  125. Their not pressing Clyde because they don’t have a coach that will tell them to press.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  126. WTF is Jeffries shooting for???

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  127. The best way to showcase Q is to sit his azz on the bench….

    He looks great sitting next to Aquirre…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  128. I hope we have the worse record so we can raise our chances of getting the next great PG.
    He’s a solid 6 foot 5 and can play both guard positions fluent.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  129. Brx,
    He doesn’t have Heart or Desire. He doesn’t put in the extra work. He really believed coming into the season
    that he was an allstar. He did not put in the work during the off-season. He wants to over-power guys but he can’t jump
    and small forwards block his shot. He should be suspended and forced to get in shape. He’s just CASHIN CHECKS now.

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  130. Showingcasing Q?

    If I had a car that looks ok, has a good rep, but that has a rusty interior and bad motor, I’m not showcasing it.

    People will give me a lowball offer.

    Thomas can’t coach.

    Zach does play hard.

    So does Jones.

    He doesn’t use them correctly.

    I maintain that Jones should have played more

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  131. Sounds crazy guys but I’ll be cheering for us to lose from now on.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  132. I’m sure even the Knicks counted this as A L before the game started!
    Next two game I hope we have a New Player!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  133. We’re bums

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  134. If I see Q in the club, I swear to God I’ll smack him.
    He’s a pussy!!
    He’s the type you see in the club and you want to injure him so he can’t
    play in the rotation.
    He is a waste of a roster spot.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  135. Right on Davonn !! We need a franchise talent, and the only way to turn this around is to lose lose lose… The draft this year is key.

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  136. @ Statesman,

    Agree w/last post.

    Aquirre told big fibs when he said Curry was working out on his own this summer.

    Wonder what he was working on?????

    And just to think they were campaigning for him to make the All-Star team last year.

    I think Steph was just soupin’ him up.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  137. The three players on the Knicks roster who clearly need to go.

    Curry.

    Marbury.

    Q.

    But who will take them off our shoulders w/o dumping bad contracts on us.

    Fuck!

    At least next year Marbury becomes more tradeable.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  138. Yeah Maestro….
    That’s the only way.
    OJ Mayo is that type of player.
    I hope Isiah stays with who he plays so we
    can keep losing.
    OJ Mayo with the first pick.
    Maybe we can trade Curry during the draft and
    get another first round pick.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  139. Did Balkman Play?

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  140. DEE-FENDERS,

    I say Eddy will be the one most responsible for getting Zeke fired. He stayed too long w/ Eddy, and Eddy has shown to be
    the player that Chicago said he was. I can see Paxson saying ‘He is what we thought’. He’s Kevin Duckworth. I do not
    want to hear he’s young. Bynum is young, Amare is young, Chandler is young. Eddy was a gamble that has BACK-FIRED. Does he
    look disappointed, no, because the checks are coming.

    Peace & Blessing

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  141. The Orlando homers were making fun of Lee’s offense prowess!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  142. the thing im worried about now is that Isiah comes up with a brilliant plan to trade our draftpick for a player like Artest, just to save our season a little bit…if that happens…

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  143. Maybe Zeke needs to hold a Gun to currys head!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  144. The team played well for three quarters.

    But the tank was empty in the 4th.

    Curry who should have brought something off the bench did nothing for us.

    Thomas failed to put in Balkman or Chandler to give us additional energy and replenish the guys starting on the floor tonight.

    He makes some decent changes that get us through three quarters, but fails to go to the other young hustle players on his bench that could have relieved his tired and hard playing starting squad tonigh.

    Next game.

    Jones, Crawford, Jefferies, Lee, (Curry only not to demorlize puff the magic big man any further) but Zach is the better post player.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  145. If we land Artest, maestro, we won’t be in the lottery!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  146. @ Maestro,

    I hope Zeke doesn’t resort to anything desperate like that.

    He needs to play the younger guys and let this season go.

    Hopefully so will he.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  147. I don’t mind seeing this season go bye.

    All I want is consistent hustle from the guys on teh board and for our young guys to develop and be coached the right way.

    Right now I am entertaining comments on who might be recruited to coach this team.

    and

    How to better use and develop the young guys on this team.

    I’m a KNick fan for life.

    As you say steady.

    Steady as it goes!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  148. Seriously, is there anything that can be done about Curry’s not performing?

    Fine him?

    Make him take a leave of absence (like Steph) to get in shape?

    Anything????

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  149. I’d say hire Scott Skiles….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  150. No more fuggin’ Mr. Nice Guy…that shyt doesn’t work around here.

    We need a fuggin Drill Sergeant.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  151. Peaceman, if we give up our draftpick for Artest, we will be a mediocre team for years to come. Artest wont change that.

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  152. Let’s not get Artest till the summer.
    We need to lose this year as much as
    possible.
    Remember that 1st round pick will look really good.
    Right now the Wolves have a worse record than us and
    I don’t like that. We need to have the worse record.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  153. Bnoxboy..
    No one expected to win tonight!
    54 games left. Tanking for the lottery??
    There is No Franchise Player in this years draft!
    Get rid of anyone for Artest and give up a protected Draf pick!
    The Eastern conference sucks! Still time for a Run !

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  154. Maybe Paul Silas…

    He don’t take no shyt, either….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  155. Brnxboy

    It’s like I said before.

    The thing that frustrates me about overpaying the players on the roster is the failure to invest in their development.

    Other players on other teams have, coaches honing the particular areas of defficiency in the players the team is trying to develop.

    Some players have personal trainers, and or even nutritionist.

    Some teams will invest in grooming the players they pay the big money towards.

    But the knicks think it is sufficient to pay big money but not pay the money or give the necessary time (Balkman, Chandler, Morris) to develop the players they drafted high.

    It’s like giving a peasant a parcel of land and telling them now be your own entrepenuer!

    W/o the technology and training to use what their given the land becomes desolate!

    Fuck you Thomas!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  156. Peaceman,

    We can get Artest this summer without giving up anything.

    I still feel with the right moves, we can be competitive this season, if that’s what we’re trying to do.

    Including Artest in this mix will make matter worse.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  157. Artest ain’t going anywhere…
    He’s going to be here next year.
    Draft Mayo….sign Artest….look for takers for
    Steph’s contract.
    Trade Curry during the draft for a late first rounder
    and let Isiah work his magic in this years deep draft.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  158. Rick Carlisle, Bill Laimbeer or Pat Riley.

    By Marzak on Dec 26, 2007

  159. Davonn,
    The Bulls, Heat, Wolfs, and Nets will be ahead of us in this years draft!Maybe more teams!
    Give up Lee and Q for Artest, and the right to switch draft picks!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  160. I’ll speculate lottery and new coach but if the team makes a run that’s also good.

    But were hanging by a thread right now.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  161. Peaceman….
    What are you talking about?
    Mayo is a franchise point guard!!!!
    Please tell me you wouldn’t trade a first round
    pick for Artest when he will sign with us for nothing.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  162. @ Peace..

    “No one expected to win tonight!”

    Who didn’t? You couldn’t tell that scrappy, fighting group of Knicks in the first half they weren’t expected to win…

    You missed that part, partna….

    Besides, you should always “expect” to win..

    and be disappointed if you don’t.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  163. Bronxboy,
    I don’t think so! Artest will be trade some place Else most likely
    with Bibby! The Kings are not going to let him walk away for nothing!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  164. # DVJ, post # 160..

    My point exactly.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  165. Peaceman
    Artest isn’t going anywhere if he doesn’t come here.
    Everybody knows he wants to play here and will sign here
    this summer.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  166. Well if we don’t get him, it wasn’t meant to be.

    We’ve mortaged the future enough times for “cases” in the past.

    No more.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  167. Davonn,
    There’s a reason it’s called the lottery! Ask Boston!
    I repeat the kings are not going to let hm walk for ZERO!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  168. I wouldn’t give up Lee or Balkman for Artest right now…

    His acquisition would not be enough to help this pathetic team.

    Besides, Zeke would piss him off and we’d really have problems.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  169. The Knicks have specialist, but the player has to work also. Eddy had people working w/ him in Chicago. Aguirre & Herb works
    w/ him here. Remember he could not come to Vegas because of a previous commitment. He is the guy that takes short-cuts.
    Balk, there has to be something else going on. Even if he can’t shoot(BTW neither can Q), he can help on the boards,
    and fill the lane. Q’s game is done. He does not have lateral quickness, so he can’t blow by anyone, he’s afraid of getting his
    shot block, so he doesn’t shoot the mid-range jumper. He shoots the wide-open 3, and rarely hits. He should not have the green light.

    BTW-JChuck did get his 22 shots tonight.

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  170. I like 3/5 of the starting five tonight except I would have had nate (not Q) and jamal in the backcourt with Jeffries, Lee, and Randolph (not Curry).

    There is no doubt in my mind, Isiah will be the one most responsible for getting Isiah fired. Isiah is the main man in New York, nobody above him except Dolan who doesn’t know jack about basketball, as he would admit. Isiah gave out all the contracts, brought all the players here, now they don’t want to play for him so the reserves are getting the minutes now because they’re the only one still hungry since they’re not set for life like the “big guns” are.

    which one of the defenders was using the Jordan quote “the problem with the NBA today is players are paid on potential instead of results.” so true, anyone know if the knicks were playing when he said that?

    free renaldo balkman

    “just bloggin”

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  171. No Peaceman, I understand what you mean but do not trade our draft pick.
    This is our first real draft pick in a few years and you want to trade it?
    To make matters worse…this is the deepest draft in a loooooooooong time.
    Your buggin bro…if your asking me who I would rather have Artest or Mayo…
    well that’s simple..give me Mayo.
    We need a PG….and a SF.
    The small forward problem will be solved when Ron signs here so why trade
    for him?
    Now, if we can trade like a player that’s hurting us for Ron..that’s different.
    Do not trade Lee or Balkman for Ron.
    Ron will be here next year.
    What’s so hard to understand here?

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  172. Bronxboy

    But seeing Balk rot on the bench when you know that kid wants to play is a fate as sad as any.

    I feel bad for the kid.

    He’s no world changer but the kids got hustle and enthusiasm.

    Something Curry and Marbury have done near sucked outta of this teams marrow!

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  173. Just Bloggin’ from my crystal ball–
    IT should go on and pull himself. This season has taken a major toll on him. He will be viewed as more honorable if he does it as opposed to having someone do it to him. He will stay on with the NYK until either LBJ or KB deals get done. ECity already knows he’s being moved.

    For all those who said Curry is not to blame, go back to the game. The culprit shall sit.

    Zeke and IT need to put their heads together and come up with another “story” for the big City . Too many Chicago boys in da NYC. We got three fugazys for our one D L T. I say give us back our D L T and let the fugazys thug on home.

    Just bloggin’.

    KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 26, 2007

  174. Why would bulls heat nets be ahead of us in this years draft ??? Because we are so good that we will start winning games ??? Seriously… We are BAD, B A D. It hurts but face the truth and stick with it, thats the only way to go.
    If we want to be a good team we have to stop doing these pathetic moves just to try to stay above the waterline. What good does that do for us ??? We want to be a contender, not scrap our way into the playoffs. We have no playmaker, no defense in the paint, and no defense on the perimeter. We have NOTHING to do in the playoffs, we need to build a team from scratch, the foundation is just not good enough, dont try to repair something that is so bad, just tear it down and build instead. With a little luck, we can have a very good talent in this draft, Artest could be coming in the summer and with very very very muck luck, Curry will be traded as far away as possible. Then Steph and Q hopefully depart soon after. New life, new blood, thats what we need. Maybe we will be a good team, and by that I mean a team that can acctually compete at high level, not just squeezing in to the playoffs, in 3 years time.

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  175. Steay,

    Pull the Plug on $24 Mill–No Way. Why do you think he said he would DIE before he quit?

    Peace & Blessing

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  176. Steady not Steay,

    Peace & Blessing

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  177. @ Statesman..

    “BTW-JChuck did get his 22 shots tonight.”

    What choice did he have?

    Lee couldn’t/wouldn’t shoot….

    Q forgot how/can’t shoot….

    Fred Jones can’t shoot

    Zbo got every other shot blocked..

    Jared Jeffries shoots in the wrong basket…

    Balkman is incarcerated…

    Curry’s too fuckin’ unmotivated to shoot….

    Steph has a two-week long migraine….

    Who’s left????

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 26, 2007

  178. Goodnight fellas.

    Don’t let the negativity spill over into your sleep.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  179. Maestro,

    Cry me a river! You think you just had a brainstorm???
    NY will not rebuild again! We are young enough to fix this with a few good moves!
    BTW there’s 6 teams in the Western conference that are Lottery Bound along
    with HALF the EAST! How in the hell do we Own the TOP PICK????

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  180. Defenders,
    Why can’t we just pick up from the last half of last year right before Lee and Crawford got hurt? Why have we regressed after adding a 20-10 player? The answer may well be in the initials N. B. A. Ain’t no use tryina make sense out of all this drama among the rich and infamous.

    Steady and KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 26, 2007

  181. Steady

    Hear you on that.

    Fuckin Howard was maulin players and he gets the patented N.B.A. standard issued super-star forcefield.

    The refs know what’s good.

    By Black and Blue on Dec 26, 2007

  182. Brnx,

    There are always better shots then a running 25-ft fade-away. Sometimes if you move the ball around, a BETTER SHOT could happen.
    There were a couple of shots, that were early in the shot-clock. The point guard job is to get OTHER PLAYERS SHOTS!!!
    Not just himself. Besides, if JChuck is leading you in shot attempts, YOU’RE IN TROUBLE.

    Peace & Blessings

    By STATESMAN on Dec 26, 2007

  183. I don’t know where this Maestro guy came from,
    But Frankly Scarlet….his opinion!
    54 Games left! Fuck this rebuilding thing!
    Right Now I’ll be happy to see an 8th seed
    even if it’s by default because we come in 9th
    and the 8th seeds plane Crashes!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  184. of course we dont own the top pick, but you stated that several teams will be ahead of us in this years draft, how can u be sure about that ? If we continue like this, we will probably end up with 2-3 worst record in the league.
    We all want Knicks to be good, problem is, we are the opposite. We dont have the talent to turn this around as it is now, we need a playmaker, we need defense inside outside, we can not trade for that, not going to happen.

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  185. I came from reality Peace, somewhere you havent been in a long time.

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  186. Artest won’t sign with us for the mid-level (5-6 mil), he makes more than that now. Why would he sign for less than Q-Rich makes, or the same $$ as Jeffries since he’s going to replace them both? We can only get him with a sign and trade with the Kings which means we’ll still have to give Sacramento something in return anyway. Do it now if you can.

    By Marzak on Dec 26, 2007

  187. When you are 6′11 285 doesn’t the ball just fall in your hands once or twice a game?

    ZERO REBOUNDS=8.9million

    Please bring in RonRon.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  188. Peace & Blessings,
    You will note that I first suggested that IT will stick around until either he delivers Kobe or LBJ. His selling point coming here wqas that he caused players to want to play here. Remember when Eddie Griffin turned down a chance to play in NY. Maybe he knew something then that Steph is seeing now.

    Anyway, how does the carpetbagger story work again?

    D L T–TD Jakes Cooley is the biggest Daddy of us all. I’m a mere wittness and usher at his Revivals. :-)

    DVJ–Hola at your boy MODI re: Sunday’s protest. Anyone else down with you? You are not alone young bruh!!

    KFLL

    KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 26, 2007

  189. Zeke needs to buy the team and himself a belated Christmas present and trigger a move
    for Artest or least a small forward who can make a shot, keep the opponent’s 3 working
    on D and open the middle for Zach and Curry down low. Curry must get the ball to be
    effective. He held his own against Howard at least on offense all of last year. He even
    got Howard in foul trouble on more than one occasion. The problem is the 3 spot where we have no offense, so that Curry and Zbo are constantly double teamed with only Crawford to pass to. Again, why not activate Chandler until such time as a genuine 3 (such as Artest) can be attained?

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 26, 2007

  190. Maestro,

    The reality is there’s 54 games left! A lot of us have said that
    Artest should have been a Knick this season as he fills our biggest need!
    The Reality is also we are 8 loses from 4th seed and 4 loses from 8th seed!
    How many games left Mr. Reality? Stop being a DICK!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  191. Zeke’s 2 weeks are up on Sunday

    If we lose to the Bulls,or even win,something has to give.

    Either a trade and/or new coach.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  192. The Heat and Jersey again tonight are making a strong run for Mayo!
    Kevin Mchale was seen sitting next to OJ’s Mother recently!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  193. sorry Peace, I just want this franchise to be good again. But we can continue to do what we have done these last 7-8 years, making desperate trades, it has really worked out so far !!! I would like Artest on our team as well, but there is a bigger picture that you just fail to see. We dream about trades, thats the Knickway, everyone does it here. When Spree where playing on our team, he would come out after the season and say were going to trade for Duncan this summer, then youll see next season. Thats the Knixway, dreaming of things that just wont happen. We wont be getting Kobe, LBJ, Howard or anyother superstar, we dont have the means to trade for them. We have to find our franchiseplayers through the draft. Artest is good, but he wont help us become an elite-team by himself. He needs help. Where is that going to come from ??? Or do you settle for 8th place year in year out ??

    By maestro on Dec 26, 2007

  194. Wait….Maybe it’s OUR fault!

    Maybe,and just maybe, WE are not writting with the passion of true Knicks fans.

    Maybe WE don’t have the DESIRE really in US?

    Maybe……………………………………nah,forget that.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  195. D L T–I see you and me is vibin’. Is that how they scroll in Chi-town? What Zeke is doing with this “Give me two weeks” bit reminds me of “Skip”, the 3-card Monty dude who used to hose kids right near Grand Central. I watch him turn honest Johns into criminals once. Losing yo shirt or losing anything can turn the regular avergae Joe kid into a MONSTER. We see that too often here.

    Peace,
    Will you be back in time for the Bulls counterprotest with DVJ? What about yall JohnQ and Post-up? Hola at yo boy MODI. Put out an APB for Anti- and African. Ditto query and no proc means error allowed.

    KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 26, 2007

  196. Okay, there WERE some encouraging signs tonight. DLee starting certainly made a difference. Great energy in the 1st quarter. I liked Jeffries at the 3.

    Of course, Q obviously has more shit on Isiah than Marbury. …who BTW, I would like to see return to this team and see what he can do with the revamped starting line-up.

    As B & B pointed out the substitution patterns were once again terrible. I have no idea sometimes what Isiah is thinking.

    starburyfan is so right. FREE RENALDO BALKMAN! FREE RENALDO BALKMAN! FREE RENALDO BALKMAN!

    By MODI on Dec 26, 2007

  197. @Steady

    Zeke is playing a little Monty with us.
    Remember we all(then Fixers) had high hopes thinking we would win 45-50 games.
    Now seems we will be lucky to make 20.
    I did not see this coming.
    But,Steady, remember the MSM was ranking low to begin with and we couldn’t see why.
    We did not see this with an open mind but only as Knick-lovers.8-20!!
    I remember talking to Orange & Blue about the first 20-30 games.I thought we would be around .500
    What the *%#$@&*#*^% happened? Steady?

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  198. @ Maestro
    This team does have talent! We need a leader on defense! At 28 Artest will be just that!
    We need to make the playoffs for the younger players sake! The Bulls tanked again tonight,
    …a step closer to Mayo! We will lose LEE or Balkman to the Kings with either Q or Rose or anyone they want!
    But there’s still young talent here! Enough to add pieces to and get a PG deep in the 2nd round by tradeing a player
    for a second rounder(Portland owns ours) Eric Maynor?? A lot of teams will consider Marbury’s Expiring contact next year,
    so we may get a Star/Draft picks for his contract. We are stuck with Curry!
    Zeke should send him to the DLeague untill his ass loses weight!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  199. D L T,

    – a Marbury game 5 fallout that we haven’t recovered from happened

    – An exploitative and divisive NY media happened

    – A failed Eddy-Zach experiment happened

    – A starting line-up with no defenders happened

    – A stubborn coach who refused to change that line-up happened

    – A down low love affair between Isiah and Q Rich happened

    – Renaldo’s refusal to join in for a menage-a-trois happened

    – Eddy’s increased visits to Krispy Kreme happened

    – Some other shit happened too…

    By MODI on Dec 26, 2007

  200. @ MODI,
    I think Balkman may BE ON THE FREE……way to Sacramento!
    No other explanation????

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  201. the difference in tonight’s game and other recent games is that we were in striking distance this game until the fourth and in the previous ones we’re down 20-30 and try to stage a comeback in the second half with the reserve players.

    you might ask why we can’t stay in a close game and learn to pull out a victory?

    i’ve heard it said by someone on the Suns, “good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose.”

    the knicks are trying to become a good team, but like dlt said, they’re now 8-20, the markings of a sorry ass team, hate to say it.

    AT LEAST isiah is changing the lineup, and I don’t think he is far away from a good one. LB started Nate for about 20 games I think, Isiah just needs to continue to experiment with the lineup and reserve team to find a balance, because this was a different game than the past five before it.

    just bloggin’

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  202. Steady,

    I’m not going to be able to make it! Got 2 Brand New Girls in my
    family! I’ll be with you guys in spirit, and watching the News!

    By Peaceman on Dec 26, 2007

  203. speaking of out of shape, did you guys see shaq on the christmas game? now that guy is going from The Big Aristotle to the Big Chunky. well, he did put up numbers that we only wish eddy would do right now (13p 9r 2bl 1st). but he looks like he is out of shape and quickly putting on weight, much more so than eddy.

    heat, bulls, knicks. easily the worst teams in the east right now. t-wolves have won half as many games as the knicks–4 on the season.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  204. Yo
    Whoever can watch the Boston Sac game, please turn it on.
    Artest is about to go crazy.
    He walked right into the middle of Bostons huddle and someone
    from the Kings bench had to run over to stop him.
    The game is a blowout but it’s very, very physical.
    I love it when Artest is like this LOL.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  205. @Modi

    I agree with all of that.

    BUT,why can’t it be fixed?

    -The Marbury thing is over,and he is not in the locker room the last 2 weeks.
    -The Defense was something most writers were talking about in October….now it’s almost 3 months later.
    -The ABS thing is over and should NOT effect the players who had nothing to do with it.
    -EC was reported to have come to camp in shape.That’s what was said in October.
    -The stubborn coach was trying to show he is behind his guys and his decisions.
    -QRich was suppose to be our best defender which everyone(here)agreed he should start.
    -Still don’t know why Balkman isn’t playing,maybe for a shorter rotation????????
    -And all the sports writers said that this EC-Zach thing won’t work.We as Defenders(then Fixers) believed it would.

    By D L T Knicks on Dec 26, 2007

  206. thanks for the hookup dvj. just put it on.

    boston has blown out so many teams this year. they’ll probably win the championship if not the suns (i hope its the suns and not them or the spurs).

    kings picked up mikki moore from the nets, eh?

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  207. Wow!!!!!
    Ron Ron really does have some GREAT defense.
    On the ball defense and help defense.
    Incredible

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  208. Sacramento making a little run.
    The Nets really miss Moore!!
    Kristic didn’t work out so good LOL.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  209. Moore is doing his thing.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  210. did you hear that sacramento heclker?

    “..YOU’RE GONNA LOSE TO DETROIT ANYWAY!!!”

    very audible.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 26, 2007

  211. Perkins is an asshole LOL

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007

  212. Yeah I heard him knicksdefense…
    I’m actually laughing at everything he says LOL.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 26, 2007