just give me two more weeks
December 22, 2007 – 3:05 amGreat comments all around last night during the unfortunate loss. There was someone spamming the site, pretending to be African, Peaceman, STATESMAN and Steady, so I took care of those because I know their words and this guy wasn’t even close. Probably somebody we know trying to ruin things.
Very frustrating game to watch, but not an entirely unexpected outcome. I’m no one but a fan, but the knicks bench five is better than their starting five. I’m not the only person in the world that believes this.
There is a rythm to this Knicks season, and it isn’t good at all. Good thing you had the “W” penciled in, right Peace? Seriously, we’re not good enough to assume victory against any NBA team now, not even the ones with the worst records in the NBA.
Simply put, there are some guys on this team with heart, and there are some guys on this team with a “less is more” attitude. I don’t think that all the guys have given up, but some definitely have given up. Its not only about effort though, chemistry is also a big issue, and the construction of the team is off. we’ve got no leapers in the starting five–and if you’re saying fred, well fred is 6′2″, and fred is just filling in for stephon. play below the rim in the nba these days and you’re toast because athleticism is the NBA. Skill is now secondary, it’s all about quickness and vert now.
We are now just one game ahead of Miami for dead last in the eastern conference. Why does Wilson Chandler play the last 30 seconds of the ball game, can anyone tell me? Is he that bad of a 23rd pick? Cause their 22nd pick Dudley got enough time to do something productive and feel like he belongs in the league, a scant 30 seconds of PT for the 23rd pick is barely enough time to commit an off-the-ball foul to get a “1″ on the stat sheet instead of all zeros.
Knicks played small ball in the second half and make it respectable but respectable does not equal win and therefor we get no respect with another loss to another irrelevant team.
Overall, if the Knicks don’t want to give 110% for Lenny Wilkins, or the loyal soldier Herb, or Next Town Larry Brown, or yet another hall-of-fame point guard Isiah Thomas (the guy that got them paid, no less), I’m thinking they won’t play hard for anyone else on the planet. And if you’ve got a team who won’t play hard for anyone, you might as well start dismantling said team. And if you dismantle that team, don’t have the same guy rebuild your team, it just isn’t a very logical way to approach rebuilding. The city of New York deserves a championship team, it has been a long time since the last one in ‘73. Four full years since Isiah came aboard, the time is right for change. We would have some keepers on this team thanks to Isiah (hint: said keepers not in starting five) but the keepers are the only players with real trade value, so adios muchachos. What was Herb’s record as head coach? 17-27 with Layden’s junk parts? that’s a .386 winning percentage, and right now with the better players we’re at 8-18 or .308. The Loyal Soldier really deserves a chance with a real contract as head coach of the Knicks. I also think Dave Hanners would make a hell of a coach for the Knicks based on the philosophy of his Knicks summer basketball team.
As for GM, well, that’s a whole other story, because Dolan could seriously f*** up any attempts by any incumbent GM to improve the Knicks. First, Dolan has to admit a big mistake with last year’s untimely contract extension, something he’s not happy to do. Any other human being would just say, “okay, my mistake,” yet with Dolan’s apparent infallible self-perception, you don’t have that common sense–ask the three guys that were still around the last time the Knicks were winning any ball games: Jeff Van Gundy, Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston. Okay ask Jeff and Latrell, we know what H20/AH7 is going to $ay if you ask him.
The Knicks were hoping that Zach could be the guy that could symbolize this team as “the warrior.” Right now, I’d say Jerome James is the best personification of this Knicks team.
And cooleyhigh, I thank you for coming in and lifting us up with your positivity, we need it these days with the constant disappointment.
Contrary to what some people will think after reading this, I don’t hate anyone associated with the Knicks with the possible exception of James Dolan because every else is just being themselves. Eddy is just being Eddy, Jamal is Jamal, Steph is Steph, Zach is Zach, Isiah is Isiah, Q is Q. Dolan, however, continues to ignore the elephant in the living room. Last year we were supposed to make the playoffs, the year before that as well.
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Strong post by our friend and long time knicks blogger bokonon last night, thought it should lead out the discussion for the day.
>>>Bokonon
Great point Peaceman. Komives was traded for DeBusschere not Frazier. By the way, after Komives departed, who REPLACED him at the point? Just curious.
This team isn’t progressing. They have no direction. They have no identity, unless you consider rudderless doormat an identity. As I’ve always said I don’t give a crap about making the playoffs as long as the plan is to build for long term contention and not a futile playoff run or two. You want to see a progression though. Baby steps. Small improvements in areas where they lack. This is blatantly not happening. The Knicks at this point are Charlie Brown trying to kick the football with Lucy holding. This team is going nowhere any time soon and one “franchise player” isn’t going to change that in my opinion.
And since when did the W/L record become a matter of opinion?
You’ve added a 20/10 guy to the team from last year, essentially taking away nothing but Francis and Frye, (addition by subtraction) and the team has not just gone backwards, but has nosedived. This is not opinion it is facts by the numbers. Many of you want to give Isiah a pass and blame the players for the Knicks woes. Who brought these players here? Wasn’t it the “great evaluator of talent”?
And can we stop comparing the Knicks to other crappy teams like the Bulls and saying “well we’re not much worse than them” and other such nonsense? Is that the standard now? To be “not the worst”? We want to be the best and the team has the resources financially to be the best, and to have the best talent. So why shouldn’t we aim higher than “someday we’ll be as good as the Bulls”?
Listen just because the media has acted poorly doesn’t make Dolan a genius for alienating them. The guy has the basketball IQ of a can of fruit salad. And furthermore has it worked? Has it made his team more successful or his employees and players happier or more productive? What has this moronic media policy done other than alienating fans as well as the hated media now.
Also can you please stop with the EA Sports style trade analysis? Sometimes the guy who is the more prolific scorer or better athlete is not the better player on a given roster. You know what I mean. You can’t put a list of stats on the floor. And can someone tell Isiah that? I know you guys got pull like Drossman’s season ticketholder batphone line.
And speaking of the “myths of Isiah’s tenure”, (Including his awesome roster turnaround);
Aside from the first year where Isiah was blowing up the roster, but still playing with a majority of “Layden’s guys” and they made the playoffs, the Knicks have CONSISTENTLY had a worse record than Layden’s teams. Those teams were bad. These teams are worse. Potential? Let’s see it. Potential means eventually getting a little bit better. Not consistently getting a little bit worse.
Fact not opinion.
Rebuilding you say? Where is it? Where is the plan? And wouldn’t it be nice to have an ownership/management regime who would go to the press and lay out their plan for the FANS? No, not for the journalists, for the fans, because maybe we would like to know where the fuck Isiah is thinking this team will be development wise two, three years from now so us “uneducated fans who don’t know basketball like kids who grew up on the mean streets of the wet side of blah blah blah…” can be a little more patient. And will we be the 04-05 Knicks vision “Phoenix Suns East”, or the power ball neo-bad boy 2006 Knick squad only maybe, you know, good.
Which is it Isiah, or has the plan changed again? Oh I forgot, you can’t say. It’s classified. If you tell us, we might tell the enemy. Frank Isola. And the press are children? How f-ing childish is that? I’ll tell you why, It’s because if Isiah says “this is where we’ll be in 3 years”, then he will have committed and in three years we might actually expect the team to win three or four more games than the year before.
Rebuilding means having a direction, not throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
This team doesn’t need a new direction. This team needs a direction period. Other than backwards or tits up I mean, which is where they are now. How about starting with someone who knows how to coach to see what we truly have talent wise. We will never know until this group has been led by a real coach exactly what kind of talent we have. I was one of the first to say last year that a coaching change would set us back to square one. I still believe that, only now I believe that square one is a great place to be. It’s much better than free fall. Or tits up.
Sorry for the long ass cameo part time post, but…
Oh who am I kidding I ain’t sorry. F you if you can’t take it.
Oh, sorry Steady,
just bloggin
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By Syd on Dec 22, 2007
Nice follow-up on the Bokonon post KD!
Start over with professionals calling the shots! I’ll take hope over ridiculously and embarassing pathetic any day.
By StevieKnix on Dec 22, 2007
Besides, anyone comparing the Knicks to the post-Jordan Bulls needs to realize (1) that Krause quit five years into it, because he was making no progress, after giving away the likes of Elton Brand, Brad Miller and even Ron Artest (who I think is a bigger problem than he’s worth), and (2) that the way they’ve started this year, the Bulls have almost become a cautionary tale, and not a good example. I’m not here to harp on the Curry trade–from the Bulls’ perspective, they were trying to be diligent about his heart problem–but they’re a team which has stockpiled talent with no clear identity. Nearly ten years after Jordan retired, and they’re still floundering. They’re not a good example to follow.
The idiot Isiah is talking like a desperate man, mentioning the playoffs whenever possible to shift all focus from the unfolding disaster. Even if a Knicks team with a win total in the mid-30’s–and they need to play .500 ball from here on out just to win 36–finds its way into the playoffs, what then? It’s unfortunate that Thomas is still around, but he’s certainly not part of any answer. (I wonder what costs he’s referring to as being down.)
This rebuilding will have to go slowly, because the Knicks already have some of the worst contracts in the league, and aren’t tradable right now. Besides, when you try to clean house quickly, you only take back someone else’s trash. The Allen Houston rule was a one-time thing, and it only applied to the luxury tax anyway. I doubt even Dolan would be willing to buy out half of his current roster. The team has to build through the draft.
By Mike on Dec 22, 2007
This team needs to finish with such a bad record that we can get a top 3 pick and go from there, there is no other way. A franchise player is what is needed to build around, it will take time, but as it is now, there is no hope.
By maestro on Dec 22, 2007
Listen to what I’m saying to you and listen carefully.
I agree with what you guys are saying about Isiah not being able to coach….but that’s it!
As far as him getting fired….NO!!!
He was forced to coach…he didn’t say “I’m going to coach this team”
Dolan forced him to coach!! FORCED!!
Isiah never wanted to be the coach of the team.
You can’t just fire Isiah because then we’re going to suck for an additional 4 years or more.
I’ll tell you what it is…
It’s the franchise player that’s making Isiah look bad.
If you were to ask any GM BEFORE THIS SEASON who they would rather have at their center position, with the exception
of Ming, Shaq and Howard…they would’ve said Curry.
Duncan, Garnett and Amare all play the PF.
Remember this is before this season….if you were to ask them now, you would be able to add Kaman, Bynum and a few others.
The point is Isiah mortgaged (spell check) the future….OUR FUTURE on Curry.
Curry has all the makings of a hall of fame center.
He’s young, talented and his ability to get off the floor at his size at the speed he does is remarkable.
The guy is almost 300 pounds but he gets off the floor so fast.
However, with all that said…he can’t rebound, defend or do anything else except score.
This is making Isiah look bad….VERY BAD!!!
So we fire him? Then what?
Do we keep the players we have? Do we trade the players we have? If so….who do we trade and who do we keep? Who do we trade for?
Since people are smart enough to realize that we should fire isiah…are they smart enough to know the next steps after firing Isiah?
Probably not.
We keep Isiah and trade the players. I don’t care what anybody says….you can only blame so much on the coach. The coach is not out
there playing the game. If you fire the coach…what does that say to the players?
People act like 4 years is a long time. It’s not a long time when you think of what was here when Isiah got here.
Like Zeke said…talent wise we’ve gone up and salary wise we’ve gone down. So it’s not enough for a few people that want to protest.
The only problem Zeke has is his loyalty. Is Zeke a bad coach? No….he’s not one of the best either. Remember what I said before….he didn’t want to coach.
He was forced to coach.
In conclusion…I would like to say AGAIN…Curry is the problem!!! We need to trade Curry and get a regular center that focuses on rebounding and defense.
We already have our low post scorer with Zach.
Artest here is good. Gives us some fire and determination. That’s all on Sac now because they know he’s coming here. If they want to lose him for nothung so be it.
Dalembert would be good for us as would a healthy Ratliff.
Imagine what Isiah would’ve got if he had the picks he traded for Curry. Like I said he mortgaged our future.
So I know some of you are saying to yourself…”since you know so much…. why don’t you lay out a plan DaVonn?”
Fine I will….
Like I said before…we need to have the type of draft that Portland had last year.
We should try to have at least 2 first round picks next year including ours.
That means we need to trade for 1.
First of all…find out who has 2 or more first rounders this year. The only team I know is Seattle.
Since they don’t have a center…and there isn’t a center in this years draft that will be better than Curry, I would offer Curry and Collins for
Watson and their high first rounder (top 5 pick).
That gives us a pass first PG and we’ll also have 2 top 10 draft picks.
Sure it may set us back this year because we won’t have a big man in the middile…but is it really that bad when we’re looking forward to the draft anyway?
The more losses the higher the pick right?
There are some good centers in the draft this year also…..
Koufos from Ohio State who is 7-1 is a projected top 5 pick as is Hibbert from Georgetown.
If we need a PG…you got Mayo and Rose..
All positions are available in this draft.
This is the draft we’ve been waiting for.
Deep Deep Deep draft…..
Isiah can save his ass by doing this and he can look like he knew what he was doing all along.
Just so you know…they have us picking 6th in the draft next year and they have us taking
Nicolas Batum. He’s the best international player in the draft this year.
He’s a 6 foot 8 SF and is known as a defensive specialist.
They are comparing him to Rudy Gay…..
If you want to read about the draft go here…..
http://www.hoopshype.com/draft.htm
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
zbo’s old team has won 10 in a row.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2004087295_nbagame22.html
By knicksdefense on Dec 22, 2007
Isiah Thomas is probably the only person in the NBA who was stupid enough to think that Eddy Curry could be a franchise center, as he was probably the only person in the NBA who was stupid enough to think that Stephon Marbury could become the floor leader of a contending team (never mind the cost of acquiring each). He traded away the closest thing–Nazr Mohammed–he’s ever had to a true center, and helped San Antonio to a championship. How’s Malik looking these days? Jared Mediocre Jeffries and Jerome Terrible James have to be on any list of mistakes. Then there’s Q, who like Eddy, was no longer really wanted by his former team, because of a medical condition. Remember how Isiah suddenly claimed last year that he knew that Richardson would need back surgery? Good thing Thomas traded away his best post defender for a guy who he know would very likely no longer be able to play at a high level–if you take Isiah at his own word.
There is no defending the incompetence of Isiah’s tenure as GM. Look at the series of coaches, all past-their-prime big names, just like the players he’s acquired…hell, he has to do to complete the process is suit up and coach from the floor, like Bill Russell did.
Balkman’s a good complementary player, but not worth a first-round pick. A shrewd GM would’ve waited until the second round, or even after the draft, to pick him up. Marcus Williams has been mentioned so many times as a viable poing guard–something New York still badly needs–and Thomas overlooked him. Lee is a junkyard dog, a starting 4 on 3/4 of NBA teams. Ariza’s rounding into a good defensive player…oh, wait, he’s gone. At least there’s Nate Robinson! He’s good for 20-25 points during garbage time of every third or fourth game. Then there’s Zach, who fortunately came at no cost but isn’t exactly providing any kind of steadying presence.
Isiah’s had some solid, but not brilliant, drafts. And everything else? It would be difficult to have done worse. A better coach could mold some kind of identity with this team, which Thomas has completely failed to do. But no coach in the history of the NBA could take this bunch of misfits very far in the playoffs–not Auerbach, not Riley, not Jackson, not Popovich.
By Mike on Dec 22, 2007
So the spam did get through Blogzilla. We know what’s good.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
I should just pencil in that “W” versus Kobe tomorrow right?
Seriously though, with the right line-up on the hardwood (and that’s where my Knicks struggle most blatantly) the Lakers should be in for a tough battle.
Go Knicks!
By Bloomfield on Dec 22, 2007
Merry Christmas boo birds.
By Jay Bee on Dec 22, 2007
Once again we’re dealing with opinions. Your argument against these Knicks is weak as water. To try to stifle our conversation regarding making our team better will always fail. We all have opinions. The only person that can’t seem to handle that are the sheeple. (Fixers, Knation, etc.). Your irrational arguments are colored by your talking points. Talking points that were handed to you. I’m not drinkin’ that monkey piss. I’ll see you at the finish line.
By Jay Bee on Dec 22, 2007
Bokonon,
Useful post. Very useful.
I stumbled across a thought by Tim Burton while reading the Jan 08 Esquire. “You can argue with somebody who says I know this and I know that. But you can’t argue with passion.” In short, PASSION is what Knicksdefense and Knicks Defenders are all about. We have repeatedly said here that the site was created by a passionate fan who wanted an open forum where he can express his passion without the negative slants and venomous hyperboles. The migration here took place when one supposed “objective” journalist/host told passionate fans that they are “wacky” and the team for which they express that fanatical passion is “wacky”. When kindly requested to change, the host said, in short Fuck You. Anyone else coming here now to blog with the community of passionate NYK fans who have gathered here at Starburyfan’s blog site need to understand that genesis and purpose.
I’ll repeat it, you can argue with somebody (and we hope it’s done respectfully or with a just bloggin’ at the end) who says I know this and I know that, but you can’t argue with passion.
Bokonon,
Blogzilla did well (IMO) to lead with your post. I don’t sense that you’re calling out Steady or that the “many folks here” brush stroke touched Steady. I do know that I say Steady as IT goes. The reason that I type supportive things about IT and the NYK is because that is what teammates/supporters do. Still, one is not obliged to carry on blindly and bring up suggestions to improve the team. One caveat appears here. We’re just BLOGGIN’. YOU CAN’T ARGUE WITH PASSION. KNICKSDEFENSE AND ITS DEFENDERS ARE ALL ABOUT PASSION. Other teams’ fans who come here to “start some…” are intrigued by that passion and its expression by the different monikers/cloaked bloggers here. How can a LepraC expect to change a NYKer’s opinion and aspiration for a NY team–regardless of the record? FUHGETABOUTIT!!!
Here’s why I think your post is useful. I see the passion in the words and how they’re placed together. Thus, I won’t argue with them or you about them. Plus, you are spot on from my vantage point. Over the summer, we talked about Nice and Nasty. Where is that team Zeke? Zeke once talked about NY being a City of strong guards. That bunk was necessary to justify a Francis/Marbury backcourt. Then he said the NYK is going to play inside/outside and feed the post with two big low post threats. Even in making that statement, Zeke does not get an outside shooter in trades or the draft. Zeke makes a trade for a Delusional but Nice outside shooter who does not follow his NBA script book. Now, the only proven outside shooter has an ailing wing and may end up on the block after poppin’ off in Q public on his way to the bench. Absent of better information or FACTS, it looks like Zeke the GM bungled that strategy. Zeke also indicated that the team’s problem from last year was perimeter defense and that it was his summer job to fix that. So far, teams have been shooting (on average) at a 52% clip? The W-L numbers indicate inconsistancy (unprofessionalism) and an unmet (defensive) goal. Could the NYK as configured play the Phoenix run-n-gun style? Where is the ball movement? Where are the blocked shots? Where’s the perimeter defense that triggers the fas break? Can we reduce the turnovers from the 4 and 5 (Curry, Lee, Randolph as culprits)?
The reason why it may appear as a pass is because many NYers have come to understand what N.B.A. means. We know flu-like symptoms, plantar fasciatis, twisted ankles and high ankle sprains. We also know that Zeke has won in the old NBA and the new NBA. We know that he has sold his bosses on a vision for the franchise and they stand firm behind him. As fans, we can express our passions here or go to the game and pay for the ticket, Starbury Snapple, and half-smoke. Enjoy or do as the Romans do if the feeling moves you. At the end of the day, the script will be played out as planned and the results will be what it will be. Real NYK lovers and fanswill be here or somewhere else carrying on like all NYers know how–Just bloggin’.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
Knicksdefense.
Some assholes posting under my Name! You have my IP address please handle this!
By Peaceman on Dec 22, 2007
Post #6
is nothing but a faggot that wants to be like me!
You picked the wrong blog Dick Breath, KnicksD has your Ip address!
Maybe he’ll put it out there so we can spam you!
By Peaceman on Dec 22, 2007
Ban the Fag that posted 6,7 and 8!
10-1 odds it’s Mak. King of the Monkeys!
Aka Ricerocket boy, Boat Person!
The father of the worlds uglyest Kids!
By Peaceman on Dec 22, 2007
@ bokonon
To answer your question, Cazzie Russell and Dick Barrnet played out of position
until Clyde matured and sent Cazzie to the bench, who became the first NBA player
to be named “Instant offense.” Lefty Mike Riordan also filled in as a PG similar
to what Fred Jones is currently doing!
By Peaceman on Dec 22, 2007
DEE-FENDERS,
All is not lost. Isiah just has to make the hard decision. The team has disappointed everyone including themselves, and
everyone is afraid of being made the scape-goat. I believe this is why the PrimaDonnas are resistant to change. Steph,Q,JChuck,
have never played w/ winners, so they see any adjustments as personal attacks. I say “F%CK THEM”. As Herm Edwards said,’You Play
The Game to Win’.
Front-Court—To become more athletic and energetic, Balk starts for Q, Balk will foul out, but he will get garbage baskets,
dive on the floor and motivate the passive starters. Front-Line= Curry, Zach, & Balk. If Curry body language is not in the
game early on, he’s pulled for Lee.
Back-Court—Call Steph & show him some love. Steph & Jones start w/ JChuck off the bench. I know longer believe JChuck is
delusional for wanting to start. I think that those that want him to start are DELUSIONAL.
Peaceman, we may need Moses at this point!!!!!!!
DVJ—While most kids cannot sleep the night before Christmas, anticipating the man in the red & white suit.
You can’t sleep the night before the man in purple & gold appears. DVJ,if you saw Majic,Bird, Kareem, or
Wilt in their PRIME, you would be in the nut house.(LOL)
Peace & Blessings
By STATESMAN on Dec 22, 2007
peaceman,
the guy who is spamming us isn’t brave enough to use a real email address so I can’t do much else to prevent it. when he slips through the cracks, just ignore it.
it is one thing to post an opinion on here, but obviously this guy just wants to mock our regulars, which doesn’t equal having an opinion in my book.
to the coward:
post under your own sn, and say what you feel in a tasteful manner, or go find another blog to troll.
By knicksdefense on Dec 22, 2007
Re: #24
The gospel according to Blogzilla.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
let’s let History repeat it self!
Artest would = Dave D! it’s so similar it’s down right Paranormal!
Make that trade Zeke, Lee or whomever! Artest is the missing piece
at this Moment! Hell Q Rich’s ungrateful ass would fall in line
because Ron Ron would bust his bubble lip ass, and then ask…who’s next?
ARTEST is the BAD Boy leader we need so Badly right now!!!!!!
If you can’t see that you are Blind as Hell!
By Peaceman on Dec 22, 2007
Statesman,
Re #23–Let me co-sign that check so to remove some bounce off that solid pass. On the coaching side, Zeke needs to take more control of the game before veterans start to make their “statement” about players play and coaches coach. As Zeke, to those vets I’d say–”Nah M’fckr, coaches call your ass back to da bench if you play outside the game plan that we practiced.”
I’ve said it before and steadily–the culprit shall sit and IT all falls on Zeke. He’s either gonna do IT or die trying. Steady as IT goes.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
Yes, great passion from Starburyfan and Bokonon in the opening post and great reply from steady. Won’t address each point but here are some general thoughts:
It’s true, this team isn’t progressing. Not in wins. Not in development. Not in anything. It’s regressing. This is the fundamental difference between last year and this year. Should the Knicks “blow up the team”? As a fan, I am simply not ready for that conclusion and here is why: Last year’s Knicks. There was the 2+ month stretch last year after the Denver fight and before major injuries hit the same week in March that the Knicks played exciting, inspired, and .500 ball. Even most of their losses were very close during that period. Curry was scoring 20+ every night and more importantly getting double-teamed. Since the team was young we all expected them to improve this year. Marbury played inspire ball during the second half of last year. Those games and more importantly THEIR FIGHT was real. Besides Zach who seems to have stunted the growth and minutes of many of those players, the PLAYERS are the very same people. This year they are lost.
IMO, it is time that Isiah steps down AS COACH and hand it over to Herb Williams or bring back Jeff van Gundy to bring back some defense. I’m just not ready to call Thomas the GM a failure until I see this year’s team coached right, with a long-overdue changes in starting lineup, with substitution patterns that make sense, with Renaldo Balkman getting off the bench, and with actual plays being called instead of “can Jamal break down the defense”. I’m not saying that Bokonon is definitely wrong about his GM assessment, I’m saying that Knick fans DESERVE to see it properly coached first. We deserve that. Personally if I get the opportunity to see that for a decent period of time, I would eat humble pie and renounce much of the positive shit that I’ve written about Isiah the GM. The fact that the current starting five has not been dissassembled by isiah this far into it is simply mind-boggling.
Bottom line is something happened between last year and this year that has thrown everything of course. The Zach trade messing up development of others? The Marbury fiasco? Isiah’s coaching? The media wore them down? All of these? Last year the Knicks played hard EVERY night and showed growth. That is a fact. This fact should not be forgotton. Another coach deserves to see what this talent can really bring. So do the fans.
About the media: none of these facts come remotely close to justify the media treatment of Isiah. But that is the subject for another post
And for the record, I have NEVER been sorry for a long ass post!
By MODI on Dec 22, 2007
Defenders
2 more weeks of this could kill me.I was not at all stocked by the poor play last night. Which tells you,I’ve grown to expect this as “the usual”.
That’s sad!
Don’t know if IT will get a chance to trade for RonRon.
@Modi
We seem to had excuses for all the problems the Knicks have.We have to tell it like it is.
The players don’t play hard. You saw what happened in the 2nd half last night,in Zeke’s system.
IF we have 40(not even 48) minutes of that type of play we would have won last night.
Maybe another coach can inspire them…who knows….we will find out maybe soon.
By D L T Knicks on Dec 22, 2007
MODI,
You know what’s good. Useful post. Very useful.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
@Steady
Havn’t been enlighted by your Knowledge in some time.Tell me how to keep it together.
Mi Knicks hasta muerta,pero si ellos no jugar mejor….
By D L T Knicks on Dec 22, 2007
D L T,
Re #25–ROFL.
No te preocupes hermano. For me, I’m using the last para in the reply to Bok above. Else, “Let go, Let God.”
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
WHERE IS THE POST KNICKSDEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS THE POST KNICKSDEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS THE POST KNICKSDEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS THE POST KNICKSDEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
December 22, 2007 — Amid the darkness and hopelessness of the Knicks’ season came a purple ray of light when Lakers superstar Kobe Bryant revealed today that New York’s troubled franchise is on his four-team wish list he drafted this past summer.
Bryant, whose Lakers invade the Garden Sunday at noon for their lone appearance this season, said the Knicks, Bulls, Mavericks and Suns were the teams he wished to be traded to when he made his demand to be dealt.
The Knicks’ off- and on-the-court troubles don’t seem to have affected the Big Apple’s status for Bryant, who still could see himself trading in the purple and gold for the orange and blue.
Bryant seems the only one who doesn’t consider the Knick an atrocity. When he was a free agent, Bryant invited Thomas to his Newport Beach, Calif., home in the summer of 2004 when he was a free agent to listen to his overtures.
“I don’t scare too easily,” he said the Knicks sorry state of affairs. “Things have kind of rolled on pretty fast here in New York. But the mentality you have to have is to keep moving forward and not worry about this situation. Every storm passes.”
Bryant made his wish-list revelation following Saturday’s practice at the New York Sports Club on the upper East Side. The Lakers star was evasive on whether his trade demand still stands.
“They can either trade me or not trade me,” Bryant said. “That’s completely their decision.
“Since the season started, I don’t think about [getting traded]. I’m very happy because we have a very close knit group here.”
However, Bryant can become a free agent after the 2008-09 season, giving the Knicks hope that eventually they can bring the Philadelphia native to the Big Apple for good. Last summer, Thomas talked openly about concocting an offer for Bryant but claimed he would never part with Eddy Curry. That surely has changed. However, with Curry’s trade value down, the Knicks probably don’t have the pieces.
Bryant needs just 20 points Sunday to become the youngest player to reach 20,000 points and he’s always considered the Garden the place to shine.
“To have an opportunity to have it here, it would be special,” Bryant said. “This is the mecca, the center of basketball.”
It’s now the center of chaos. Thomas set his own mark Friday in the Charlotte disaster, posting his 200th loss running the Knicks as he celebrated his four-year anniversary yesterday.
“They’re one 10-game winning streak away from putting the kibosh on this whole thing,” Bryant said. “There’s always hope.”
Knicks fans were ticked off and booed last season when Bryant missed the game at the Garden because of a one-game suspension for a minor forearm.
“Absolutely, it makes you feel good they appreciate what you do and they want to see what you do best,” Bryant said.
Despite Bryant’s trade request, coach Phil Jackson has the Lakers winning, at 16-10. Thomas doesn’t forsee Bryant on the block.
“From what I see, he and Phil have their team moving in the right direction,” Thomas said. “Kobe’s a great player. Phil’s a great coach. I don’t see any problems.”
Quentin Richardson will see if he can take out his rage on Bryant in their matchup. The illustration of the Knicks’ chaos occurred in Charlotte when Richardson yelled at Thomas when he returned to the bench after being yanked early in the third quarter. Thomas shot up from his seat looking to go after Richardson but assistant Herb Williams restrained him. The Knicks were still downplaying the episode.
“A game like that, you’re going to get into it with somebody,” said Thomas, whose team will still be without grieving Stephon Marbury Sunday.
Asked if Williams prevented a fistfight, Richardson said, “That’s crazy.”
“I told you it’s no big deal,” Richardson said. “We came here today it was fine, practiced as usual. It happens every day. It’s just more magnified here.”
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
Que pasa Defenders? I thought I would check in on the THREAD and read what the REAL NY KNICK FANS have to say.
Bokonon, Steady, Statesman, DVJ, MODI, Peaceman, and the LEADER OF THE PACK BLOGZILLA, great posts, interesting perspectives, and passionate dissecting of the myriad of issues befuddling our BELOVED KNICKS. But, what I LOVE AND ADMIRE about ALL of you, CONSISTENTLY your hearts bleed ORANGE & BLUE and that is what this is all about. Mucho respect Defenders!
And DLT, Bro. Steady gave you good advice. Let go, let God. In the end Defender, you can’t worry about THANGS you can’t control. The one thing you can control is THE PASSION you have for your TEAM (Together Everyone Achieves More), and my brutha, you defintely got that and some.
Tomorrows Game Day Defenders… Go Knicks Go Knicks Go Knicks Go Knicks Go Knicks
Keep it POPPIN DEFENDERS!
By cooleyhigh on Dec 22, 2007
Good stuff Berman!!!!!!!
Maybe he’s writing that to get us open. If he did, then it’s working on me.
This is what I was talking about before.
Isiah would have to make an offer they can’t refuse.
Let me think of a trade scenario that the Lakers cannot turn down.
Be right back!!!!!
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
DVJ
Where did you dig up that article?
Can we get a link?
Also I’ll sign onto your post at # 5.
I usually took you for the first to get the urge to splurge off the Empire State when the Knicks encounter a rough patch. But I must say you earned my respect with that post on # 5.
You BARF, Jay Bee, et al have held the ship steady.
I’m here a defender whether it be in this quagmire or the sunshine.
I’m sure your boy- blow up doll (LOL)- won’t dissapoint you.
But I hope the Knicks pull off the W.
Good Holidays to all!
KFLL
By Black and Blue on Dec 22, 2007
Also by the way it seems like some turds who haven’t earned there stripes over at this blog want to dictate the blogs tempo.
To all you spazs
Piss Off!
By Black and Blue on Dec 22, 2007
Black and Blue…it’s front page of the Post’s website.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
Gives me chills just seeing it!!!
Still working on my trade.
Some of you guys might be mad at me but for the Mamba…ANYBODY GOES!!!
You’ll see tomorrow at noon!!!!
The fans will be cheering for him more than they’ll be cheering for us.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
OK guys here it is…..
Crawford, Balkman, Lee, Curry, Fred Jones, 2007 and 2008 first rounders (top 3 protected) and cash compensation for Kobe straight up!!!
The deal works in the trade machine.
That is a great deal for both sides no?
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
sorry, I meant to say 2008 and 2009 first rounders.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
Jeffries would be a great role player with Kobe.
Don’t forget Artest signing in the off season.
Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!
That team would be instant wins!!!!!!!
I do think it would be more likely for him to be traded here if we are able to lure
Jerry West out of retirement!!!!!!
I’m starting to sweat LOL.
Everybody thought he wasn’t going to keep us on his list.
Surprise!!!!!!
Come on Magic…work your magic behind the scenes.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
anyone think that maybe Okafor - having been passed over for an extension this past summer - might be available? Would he fit if we took one of curry/lee/zach out?
By PaulNoize on Dec 22, 2007
Davonn, your heart is in the right place…but no, that is not a great trade for the Lakers.
ESPN has an interesting article analyzing the last five “superstar” trades made in the NBA, and the sad fact is that the teams that traded their superstars got robbed each and every time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-071222-23
Should be a fun game tomorrow - we’ll see if Baby Shaq shows up to smack Bynum in the mouth. LGK!!!
By PaulNoize on Dec 22, 2007
Why wouldn’t that be a good trade for the Lakers?
If anything, they would want to give us Brown and somebody else to
even the trade out so they won’t have to drop other players. They will be over
the limit if they were to make that trade I think?
They may even be able to include Fisher since we have the same if not better
treatment for his daughter.
The deal could be done.
I just told my friend and he thinks we’re giving up to much.
I say make it happen by any means necc.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
DVJ,
Did you not type here last month that “a little bird” told you that you were going to get your wish for Christmas? Maybe it was Bob Marley’s “Three Little Birds” singing “Don’t worry, there’s no Santa Claus”?
I know, I know, I know–you’re not posting here for credibility. Your passion is contagious though.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
STEADY,
DVJ is consumed w/ Kobeism. I call it ‘YOUTHFUL EXUBERANCE’. I don’t believe that he will be able to sleep tonight.
At some point he will become steady. The good news is that the Knicks only play the Lakers twice a year.
Let’s hope Kobe is never traded to the Eastern Conference.
Keep it steady,
Peace & Blessings
By STATESMAN on Dec 22, 2007
Statesman,
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF.
I’ll never forget that summer day at Con’s site when he had us hyped arguing about the best player in the NBA. That was the most hits that site ever saw in one day. And then that kids head “blowed” up.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 22, 2007
Listen, I love the Kobe stuff, but I will not hpe for it and consider it a dream come true if it happens. Also, they have Bymun so there is no need for Curry.
But more realistically. Okafor is EXACTLY what the Knicks need and just might be doable. We wouldn’t even need him to score.
How about: Eddy Curry & Renaldo Balkman for Emeka Okafor & Matt Carroll?
Because the Knicks have no defense and shotblocking a guy like Okafor is more valuable to them that Charlotte and other teams…
By MODI on Dec 22, 2007
MODI:
If the Lakers can get Curry and still have Bynum….that seems like something they would want to do.
You make it sound like since they already have Bynum…they won’t want Curry.
Why can’t you get Curry and then trade his ass to another team for something you may need at another
position? Your hustling backwards!!!
MODI…this trade is doable and it may get done.
Kobe just came out and said he has US on his list!!!
It’s essentially a list of 2 teams considering we and everybody else knows he’s not going to
another west team.
You have to see it for what it is.
Imagine the contract extension we would give him?
People wouldn’t be able to say anything about it either…look at what KG signed?
Then look at his endorsements and how much he would make.
Sorry bro…there is no way you can sit here and tell me this isn’t realistic.
If he says we are on his list….he should be the first option we consider.
If it doesn’t pan out or time starts to get tight then we can explore Omeka.
You don’t make any moves until you know the Mamba status.
You should know the relationship between Dr Buss and Isiah, which is very close.
Not to mention with Magic….another owner of the Lakers.
Oh yes my friend…this could happen.
And if Isiah was giving us a hint….it could happen within 2 weeks LOL…
Let’s go Knicks.
Big game tomorrow!!!!
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 22, 2007
Modi,
I just don’t see IT dealing with MJ. Those guys’ feud like 2 ABS. Plus, IT had Matt Caroll and gave him away. I foresee a subtraction by the end of the trade deadline that would make room for H20. I’m still not convinced that script is completely played out yet. Just bloggin’.
KFLL
By Steady on Dec 23, 2007
#35 - No
By StevieKnix on Dec 23, 2007
#45- NO
By StevieKnix on Dec 23, 2007
Yes Indeed….
The Black Mamba said he wants to play for this franchise.
As much as some people would hate to see it happen…..eventually
you would learn it was for the best.
Bring him to NY where he belongs.
Then we won’t have to live with Jamal “3 for 19″ Crawford LOL.
23 hours and change.
By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 23, 2007
Davonn, you overvalue your fave players…not surprising because you BLEED ORANGE AND BLUE, and for that i respect your passion! =)
First of all, you cannot trade first round picks in consecutive years because some dumbass in cleveland decades ago decimated his franchise’s future doing that.
Second, when you talk Kobe you can take the draft protection and wipe your ass with it - no GM worth his salt would trade the best player in the game and listen to talk of “protection”.
Third, no one touches Eddy Curry with a ten foot pole, by his lonesome he is a liability rather than an asset at this point. His heart condition, his uninsured contract, his poor conditioning, his inability to rebound or play defense - E-City has turned into E-Albatross.
Given that we still owe a first rounder, we’d have to defer the other first round pick until like 2012….suddenly this deal becomes Kobe for Jamal, a college frosh and a load of horseshit. Lee is likely to emerge as a rotation player for a contender, Balkman has some promise….but still, if you had the job - don’t you think you could spin Kobe into more than that?
i would…or else i would hold onto him and paint him as a bad guy if he eventually walked away without signing a fair market deal. Cards all in the Lakers hands at this time, DVJ. =(
By PaulNoize on Dec 23, 2007
DVJ, I wish that you are right as much as anybody. I just won’t get my hopes up for it.
By MODI on Dec 23, 2007