Tonight Isiah Thomas’ New York Knicks visit Michael Jordan’s Charlotte Bobcats. No love lost between the two hall-of-famers, each GM is hoping to kick the other GM’s teeth in via the teams on the court.
Charlotte has improved their roster by adding Jason Richardson via summer trade, and also by drafting Jared Dudley and recently acquiring former knick center Nazr Mohammad. After pulling the trigger on some of these moves, Michael Jordan was quoted as saying he wanted to “make the playoffs now.” The Bobcats main options remain Gerald Wallace (all the makings of a knick killer), Ray Felton and Emeka Okafor. The guy Scott Layden cut, Matt Carroll, is still a threat from downtown, so watch him on the perimeter. The Knicks still remember the block party Emeka literally threw this past January, a career high of 10 blocks and they were all impressive (I was at that game and had to call my girl at halftime to get an update on how many blocks that kid had, I think it was six). Okafor and Yao were the only two guys who seemed to have Curry’s number last year in my eyes (what a difference a season makes). Yes, I meant to exclude Dwight Howard from that statement.
Great opportunity for the Knicks to pick up a road win tonight. More info on tonight’s game here.
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See # 49 for Game Summary, (left out Malik’s contributions)
Peace & Blessings
BARF, either 90% of ZBOs shots are bad or 90% are bad. He has a nice jumper when it goes in. It’s horrible when it does not because there is no rebounder to get his shot off the rim. His teammates are watching his jab step instead of moving toward the basket in anticipation of a rebound. Don’t his misses usually bounce off the front of the rim. Why is it so hard to slip under teh defense while he is jab step dancing?
Yeah you can’t have ZBO & JChuck both taking bad shots. Better to have a guy pulling up from 25ft & fading away.
Peace & Blessings
Barf,
Patient. Haven’t we been patient enough. Again team began its downward curve in 1999. Its 2008. I remember checking my daughter into college in 2001. Steve Snapper Jones was checking his daughter in at the same time. I was all optimistic and s— and he said look dude you team is not a high echelon team. At that time management ( and the media) was still trying to sell team as a high echelon team.
Look I still root for the Knicks as I did even during the bad years before Ewing, HOwever again I call it the way I see it. I can take a few more years of sucking if I am not being lied to by management. This team is not close. This is not a good product.
Harewood,
people here think that you and TMan are these legendary Scholars!
To tell you the truth, I think your as clueless as the rest of us!
As a matter of fact Tman was the one two years ago saying ZEKE better
start LEE???? I responded to him saying …Were You standing at the
Draft with a sign saying Draft Lee @ 30? If not shut the fuck up!
Ever since he’s been a Scholar???? Fuck it! Harewood, you’re
part time bullshit is just that! WTF? You are the all knowing????
Who the Fuck does Q think he is! Fuck him, Let Nate Balkman, start
the rest of the year! I pray that Artest will be in uniform on SUNDAY!
against Davonn’s Blow up doll! lol Just kidding Davonn!
Great talking to you guys.
Lives I will holla over the weekend.
G.O. 105-93, Knicks got it to single digits but never could get over the hump. Crawford played the whole game and had 2 assists. N8 was solid. Q punk’d out. The lane was wide open all night. Ugly zone. Second half Zeke benched Zach, Curry, Q (who had words because he got “heart” but tonight he had no “game”) and Jeffries. We’ll see Sunday against the Mamba whether they got the message or not. Another game that should’ve been won.
Stop the entitlement mentality.
Start the kids.
Play the hustlers.
Bench anybody that doesn’t come to play hard. Professor Pine is a wonderful instructor. His essay on converting kinetic energy is a must-read.
I dunno Lives. Its the three pointers and long jumpers that bothers me. Now Curry wants to take jumpers too? There were too many shots taken early in the shot clock in the first two quarters. The Cats were running all over us and our second team wasn’t even in.
If QRich is gonna act a bitch like he did on the sideline…he should have his starting job taken away. He must have said some dumb shit for Herb to get in between Isiah and him…even if Isiah seemed composed the entire time.
QRich looked down and avoided eye contact until Isiah crouched down in front of him. What a fucking bunch of babies.
If anyone on this team should support Zeke, it is Q. When you are shooting 31%, and 25% on 3s, w/ average D at best,
you should kiss the coach’s azzz.
Peace & Blessings
KH, Chicago took 7 years and they are having a tough start too. Isiah’s ben at it for 5. I never said this was a finished product and those who have have had their feelings hurt. I’m being patient because I know rebuilding takes time. Chicago won 6 chips bro…we won jack. If it takes them 7 years…what do you think it should take the team that won shit? I dont buy into the expectations perpetuated by the media. No sir. I dont expect shit. Ewing taught me that much.
He worked hard. He worked with lesser players. We had a good team that over achieved although they were over paid. Still, that team of warriors was dogged.
Now I know better. And I dont want these unathletic, pretentious media people speaking for me.
I’ll be patient. I like having 2 big guys when most of the league doesn’t. I like being the only team with bigs. Unfortunately, we are still searching for a franchise level talent. Whatever.
I just dont buy into the idea that firing Isiah will make this roster any better. There’s a bunch of babies on the roster and something has got to give.
Time to get drunk.
Lol @ Davonn’s blow up doll Miss Mamba.
Bad News,
Brandy Just picked up Q Rich @ the Garden! Another untimely loss! Q was rideing in Brandy’s BMW convertable
when Q Rich stuck his head out the window for air and his lips beat himself to death!
RIP Q!
lol.
in the blink of an eye qrich’s lips gave him mouth to mouth and resuscitated him.
he’ll be on the floor on sunday.
when does isiah just blow up the starting lineup ???
Peace,
I think you are the one with the part time bull shit. a forum is just that a forum. a place to express one’s opinion. I express mine you espress your everyone expresses theirs. The key yo great friendship and repsect is the ability to agree to disagree. I never called myself all knowing or a scholar. I am simply one person among many (that I have found around the country) that love the New York Knicks. Personally I have loverd them with the good and the bad. I rooted for HOward Komives when I was a little kid just as hard as I rooted for his replacement a guy by the name of Walt Frazier. I rooted for Greg Fillmore just as hard as I rooted for Charles Oakley. I was esctatic the day that Stephon was brought home. I rooted for Pat Cummings. I have never felt as consistently down about the team as I have felt the last three weeks. Just my opinion my man and anone has the right to express their if done respectfully. If one doesn’t then lets just call this as the A hole says Love Isiah or Die. I done thing you really want it to be that.
i heard jared jeffries, curry’s stitched bottom lip and qrich are getting together and starting a new charity called…
wait for it…
lips4kids
they’ll donate a bit of their lips to the needy.
was moving fast. Last line on last post should be
I don’t think you want to do that.
Have a great night fellas
Harewood
My bad! But your Cameos have Zero affect!
And are getting old! You act like yur word is Moses
when you post! New day, New blog! U R UNKNOWN!!!!!
The SCHOLAR’S LINE:
FG (1/4), REBOUNDS(6), Turnovers(4), Personal Fouls (6), Leadership(0), Intellect(DNP).
19 more games before his next contribution.
Peace & Blessings
Q Rich uses Underarm deoderant for Chap stick!
So if Zeke removes himself to go back to GM only duties, does he:
1. watch from the tunnel or upstairs?
2. let Herb coach?
3. let Hanners coach?
4. bring in another coach, if so WHO?
5. buy out Stephon?
6. trade SM and Malik?
I probably have 20Qs but the one we know was a ABS 2nite so he could be pining or DNP-CD on the big stage. More evidence 2nite that Zeke is losing control of this team. If that MSM bunk about the player poll following the AWOL, it is hard to regain the control and respect of the locker room. The pound is serving salty nuts.
Ergo, best to just be the 16th man and cheer for what they put out until the NBA script favors our side.
KFLL
Peace,
Never want to have the pretense of acting like MOses my man. In terms of cameos the fact that my work load has been extremely strenuous combined with the fact this season has not been at all enjoyable for me has lead me to not comment on any of the blogs as much as I did last season.
In terms of anyones blogs affecting anything with this team we love please. They are going to do what ever they want with or without these blog posts so I never think I am changing anything. Its recreation my man just recreation.
First half a disaster: no intensity on D. Second half more respectable, but too little too late. You have to play all four quarters. LA on Sunday another big test. Any ;et down will spell doom. I anticipate more energy and determination.
Q has been shooting like a beeyatch all year and to our collective dismay, Zeke continues to start him. Zeke has been loyal to Q to a fault. He is not the Q of last year. I’m sure that he can be, but he is not in shape. Curry is not in shape. Zach is not in shape but has been beasting on the scoring end. Yall have heard my solution. Go hardcore and take Q, Curry off of the starting lineup and insert Lee and Balkman with N8, Jeffries and Chandler off the bench. Q and Curry need personal chefs and personal trainers boot camp style. Curry needs to lose 20 lbs. and you can’t do that eating cornbread and fatback. I’m not digging Aguirre right now. Zeke is loyal to him too. Even though he could score, he was soft and short as a player and he’s got Zach and Eddy playing soft and short. Our problem IMO is defense and effort. We’re scoring enough points to win games, but we are not stopping anybody. I agree that we need to be up in that guy’s chest on the perimeter. Communicating on picks. Help defense on drives. Hard fouls and “no layups” needs to be enforced right now.
Are these things that are being taught? Yes. Are they doing them? No, not consistently.
This is not an attack on those guys, because I really believe that they will turn this whole thing around. And like Barf I don’t believe change right now will really make things better. That will only introduce more chaos and give the newspapers what they really want, instability. They’ve really enjoyed the control they’ve had over the Knicks fans these past few years. It sells newspapers. People want to hear what they have to say. Well, I don’t buy into their analysis of what’s going on or their suggestions of what should be done next. Their journalistic credibility is nil. They are biased and operating with a profit motive and a vengeance motive because Dolan treats them like the children they are.
So KH in my eyes, my opinion is just as valid as theirs or yours. And for me my opinion is more valid, because I am speaking what appears to be true to me based on my experiences. But as I always say, you don’t have to drink my kool-aid and I don’t have to drink yours.
You don’t know the future any more than I do. Your assessment is yours and you are entitled to that. But when you come in saying that any other way of handling things other than yours is foolish, then you have opened debate where it is up to the reader to find what is true to them. You don’t have to change your stance to be in here. Just know that the folks here won’t always agree with you. You can’t care about that. If you do there’s a million blogs in the naked city that will agree with you and make you feel right at home.
I’m not trying to run you off, I’m not. But if you state opinion as if it is fact, don’t think it won’t be challenged.
IMO Isiah stays in both capacities, but I’m hoping the lineups and substitution patterns change because in my mind, we’re close to a breakthrough.
BTW Harewood,
It was Dave D not Clyde that was involved in a trade for Howard K, and a guy name Walt Bellemy!
Clyde was drafted by the Knicks…..Historian!!!!!!
player—-min—–(fgm-a)—(3pm-a)–(ftm-a)—(ast)—–(pts)
Jones—-42:42—-(4-11)—–(1-5)—-(1-1)—–(8)——(10)
Crawford-44:56—-(6-18)—–(2-7)—-(2-3)—–(2)——(16)
Numberswise Crawford was Crawful. Fred picked it up on the assists from the SG position.
fuggit. that’s it. i’m prolly being emotional and premature but i don’t care, zeke’s pass is being revoked. you know the expression “knows just enough to be dangerous?” well, zeke toys around just enough to be dangerous. seriously. the cat’s too dangerous and stubborn for his/knicks’ own good.
that’s it, i’m on the outs with him. out. out now. out, out, out, out, out. g’head, scoot, scat, shoo!
Can we start our protest by chiming in on this poll on Knicks Knacks LoHud? Click the link below to vote.
http://knicks.lohudblogs.com/
Q: Are the fans treating Isiah Thomas or the Knicks unfairly?
The results as of Saturday, 12/22/07 are below:
Yes 41 24% of all votes
No 128 76% of all votes
Total Votes: 169
Started: December 10, 2007
So I ask you.
Can we fukup the results they were expecting?
Please assist me in this social experiment. Thx.
Great point Peaceman. Komives was traded for DeBusschere not Frazier. By the way, after Komives departed, who REPLACED him at the point? Just curious.
This team isn’t progressing. They have no direction. They have no identity, unless you consider rudderless doormat an identity. As I’ve always said I don’t give a crap about making the playoffs as long as the plan is to build for long term contention and not a futile playoff run or two. You want to see a progression though. Baby steps. Small improvements in areas where they lack. This is blatantly not happening. The Knicks at this point are Charlie Brown trying to kick the football with Lucy holding. This team is going nowhere any time soon and one “franchise player” isn’t going to change that in my opinion.
And since when did the W/L record become a matter of opinion?
You’ve added a 20/10 guy to the team from last year, essentially taking away nothing but Francis and Frye, (addition by subtraction) and the team has not just gone backwards, but has nosedived. This is not opinion it is facts by the numbers. Many of you want to give Isiah a pass and blame the players for the Knicks woes. Who brought these players here? Wasn’t it the “great evaluator of talent”?
And can we stop comparing the Knicks to other crappy teams like the Bulls and saying “well we’re not much worse than them” and other such nonsense? Is that the standard now? To be “not the worst”? We want to be the best and the team has the resources financially to be the best, and to have the best talent. So why shouldn’t we aim higher than “someday we’ll be as good as the Bulls”?
Listen just because the media has acted poorly doesn’t make Dolan a genius for alienating them. The guy has the basketball IQ of a can of fruit salad. And furthermore has it worked? Has it made his team more successful or his employees and players happier or more productive? What has this moronic media policy done other than alienating fans as well as the hated media now.
Also can you please stop with the EA Sports style trade analysis? Sometimes the guy who is the more prolific scorer or better athlete is not the better player on a given roster. You know what I mean. You can’t put a list of stats on the floor. And can someone tell Isiah that? I know you guys got pull like Drossman’s season ticketholder batphone line.
And speaking of the “myths of Isiah’s tenure”, (Including his awesome roster turnaround);
Aside from the first year where Isiah was blowing up the roster, but still playing with a majority of “Layden’s guys” and they made the playoffs, the Knicks have CONSISTENTLY had a worse record than Layden’s teams. Those teams were bad. These teams are worse. Potential? Let’s see it. Potential means eventually getting a little bit better. Not consistently getting a little bit worse.
Fact not opinion.
Rebuilding you say? Where is it? Where is the plan? And wouldn’t it be nice to have an ownership/management regime who would go to the press and lay out their plan for the FANS? No, not for the journalists, for the fans, because maybe we would like to know where the fuck Isiah is thinking this team will be development wise two, three years from now so us “uneducated fans who don’t know basketball like kids who grew up on the mean streets of the wet side of blah blah blah…” can be a little more patient. And will we be the 04-05 Knicks vision “Phoenix Suns East”, or the power ball neo-bad boy 2006 Knick squad only maybe, you know, good.
Which is it Isiah, or has the plan changed again? Oh I forgot, you can’t say. It’s classified. If you tell us, we might tell the enemy. Frank Isola. And the press are children? How f-ing childish is that? I’ll tell you why, It’s because if Isiah says “this is where we’ll be in 3 years”, then he will have committed and in three years we might actually expect the team to win three or four more games than the year before.
Rebuilding means having a direction, not throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
This team doesn’t need a new direction. This team needs a direction period. Other than backwards or tits up I mean, which is where they are now. How about starting with someone who knows how to coach to see what we truly have talent wise. We will never know until this group has been led by a real coach exactly what kind of talent we have. I was one of the first to say last year that a coaching change would set us back to square one. I still believe that, only now I believe that square one is a great place to be. It’s much better than free fall. Or tits up.
Sorry for the long ass cameo part time post, but…
Oh who am I kidding I ain’t sorry. F you if you can’t take it.
Oh, sorry Steady,
just bloggin
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Fire Jay Bee and IT! I still think the Knicks could give Villanova a good game.
Protest? HAHAHAHAHAHA! FOr Isiah? too funny.
Great logical post Bokonon!
Peaceman, your screen name is deceptive. i think it’s time for you to get back on the meds, meng.
The only fair thing you could do for Isiah is look at the opportunity cost of not “bringing these guys in”. Rescind those trades, keep what (few) original draft picks you had, and take a look at what the roster could have been. Pretend that that Dolan did in fact, hire a can of fruit salad to be the Knicks’ GM, and let Herb coach.
A can of fruit salad cannot approves trades. A can of fruit salad cannot approve contract extensions. A can of fruit salad cannot use the MLE on free agents.
Where would we be? If we’re significantly better, then Isiah screwed the team up. If not, then we were in worse shape than we thought, and need to reevaluate our approach on the future.
Another illogical post PAul, it is impossible to know where the Knix would of been if any better, but we absolutley KNOW for a fact THAT THEY CAN’T GET MUCH WORSE.
Jay Bee,
You are all over Barf for stating opinion as fact? C’mon dude get off your high (stoned) horse. Weren’t you the guy telling our Celtics troll Tom that the Knicks would be 10-4 worst case in December, written in blood? Tom is trying to make our lives even more miserable, but at least he is realistic about this mess of a team.
@ Paulnoize,
Maybe man, because then I wouldn’t care about this team! I’d be drooling
on myself and Shyt!
@ Bokonon,
That trade for Dave D = the Knicks getting a tough, tough defender and rebounder
who could score when we needed it! That one move set in motion 2 future titles!
We can have the same senario right now with Artest! Why the delay?????
Peace,
Those are historic valid points, but keep in mind DD had Reed, Frazier, Monroe etc. on that team. Artest has never won anything, and he’s played with better players than the Knicks have now. The delay may be that there isn’t anyone on the team tradeable for Artest. I wouldn’t want any of these players except Lee and maybe Balkman as role players. Teams are looking for more defense generally, not offensive minded players that only shoot a collective 43%. The Kings are starting to play good and when Kevin MArtin comes back they have a much better team than the Knicks. If I’m Artest and I need to get to the NY area for my kids, I pick the Nets or even the Celtics and just have a little longer commute. At least those teams have tradable assets that the Kings might want. There needs to be a fire sale here, starting at the top of this heap of crap.
Bok,
You know what’s good.
KFLL
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