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Nets@Knicks

December 15, 2007 – 3:14 pm

Very encouraging signs last night. I’m serious, I’m looking beyond the win-loss aspect of the game. Coach Thomas was experimenting with the lineup, exactly what we had been hoping for, and Jared Jeffries is showing he can contribute in Quentin Richardson’s absence (get well soon Q) there was even a Wilson Chandler sighting! Looks to me like the kid can play, hope he gets more PT to prove it. Fred, Zach and Jamal took most of the shots and as a result scored most of the points. Despite Fred and Jamal both playing over 40 minutes, the starting backcourt only totaled two turnovers. That is a world of improvement in itself. Improved stability and simplicity should be what the knicks strive for with each game.

The defense still sucks, but at least we are starting to cut down on the turnovers. The Knicks got blocked 15 times and yet only blocked 2 shots the whole game. How did Hinrich have three blocks?

Mardy still can’t shoot, but at least he’s getting PT. Nothing worse for these young players than rotting on the bench. And with Mardy, you know he’s still going to run the offense and make plays defensively, despite not being a factor when it comes to scoring the ball. A lot of these guys just need time coming back from injuries. I don’t think Lee is 100% himself yet either, nor is Q or Jeffries.

Two best shots of the night for me were the Jeffries three pointer and the high-arching shot Zach hit near the end of the fourth from far out on Ben Wallace. Zach has range. Hopefully Balk or Lee is in the game to clean up the long rebound just in case. Best defensive play was Balk’s block at the top of the key in the fourth quarter.  Was it me or was that dunk by chandler something the team sorely needs?  We need some above the rim players in the game.  Our PF and C do not often operate in that stratosphere.

Looking forward to tonight’s game against the nets at the garden. If you remember in the preseason match against the Nets on October 26th, Jeffries was dominating the first five minutes of the game before he went down with the injury (was it Richard Jefferson that he banged knees with?), so hopefully tonight he can avoid the injury but continue the recent improved play. Nets have their three-headed monster back in terms of being healthy, so it should be a good one.

It is sad what is happening to Eddy Curry. He’s one of the nicest kids on the team, and the Randolph trade basically put him in a position to fail. Thanks Glen Grunwald. The way I see it, at the NBA talent level, you could give almost anyone 20 shots a game and they’ll average close to 20 points–if not more. What’s more important is this: at the end of the game, is your team is in a position to win? I’ve heard it said recently that good teams find a way to win and bad teams find a way to lose. This was another game we let slip away, but we can still become a good team with nearly 60 games left in the season.

Free Wilson Chandler!

Free Renaldo Balkman!

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  1. 190 Responses to “Nets@Knicks”

  2. http://www.nypost.com/seven/12152007/sports/knicks/aguirre__eddy_s_problem_is_zach_381101.htm

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:22 pm

  3. Here’s where we separate the Men from the Boys! The Die Hards from the Fair Weathers!
    Roll Call for All Die Hard Knick Fans For Life! Knicksdefense was first! Peaceman Here!
    I hate the NETS! Enough said!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 3:40 pm

  4. that article just cheeses me off, knicksdee. i mean, wtf, buddy make the most of the opportunities you’re given. strap on your cup and GO TO WORK. do you job, man!… shooo…

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 4:05 pm

  5. Follyman a lick shot!

    (err, “present!”)

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 4:07 pm

  6. Peaceman: I’m present and hopeful as ever. Knicks defeated Nets in N.J.
    last time, but Nets played without Jason Kidd. Knicks may need Marbury
    tonight, and perhaps Q if sufficiently rested. Carter put up 32 points
    last night and must be contained. Both teams will be tired. If Knicks
    can play up-tempo game, that should be to their advantage. Also hoping
    to see more of Chandler. LGK

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 15, 2007 at 5:27 pm

  7. Follymach!

    What’s a Lickshot???? It must be Canadianese??

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 6:30 pm

  8. i’m representing from down here in Sixers country….actually the AI trade ripped the heart out of what was left of the Sixers fanbase here, which is too bad because the new roster - devoid of stars - is actually playing some nice “team” basketball.

    That article cracked me up, actually….Aguirre is answering a question that no one is asking. No one cares if Zach is “stealing” Eddy’s touches…..you would think that if Eddy wanted it to work with an incoming ballhog then he would save his energy for defense, since that would complement what Zach lacks!

    Then again, maybe Eddy is blameless…..he is mirroring his mentor to a “T”. Eddy rebounds and blocks shots like a small forward, he too is portly, and Lord knows Aguirre was a turnstyle defensively. Mark was silky smooth in the post though, gotta give credit where credit is due.

    The problem with the Nets for us is that they have two BIG wing players who can score from anywhere, and play above the rim. i don’t see Fred Jones being effective against RJ or Vinsanity, i’d like to see some Mardy/Balkman/JJ/Lee with Zach lineups out there for added defense, while offensively it would just be Zach iso’s and freelancing all night long. He’d love that! =)

    By PaulNoize on Dec 15, 2007 at 6:32 pm

  9. Always present for the Orange and Blue!

    Presente!
    Para Siempre
    Para el Azul y Naranja!

    Llapallanchiq Kashkami
    Anqhas Larangapaq!

    A phrase so nice I had to say it thrice.

    Oh on a seperate note, I was overhearing a conversation between an ESPN radio host and Marc Berman aka Boils aka Spermy Bermy.

    Berman is now speculating that Isiah Thomas is acutally coaching in a manner to get himself fired. To bolster his argument he refers to his perception that Thomas is sick of the Media scrutiny in NY and would just as soon leave but would rather get fired so he could recover some severance if and when he gets axed.

    Anyhow,… what do you fellas think about Bermy’s speculation?

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 15, 2007 at 6:40 pm

  10. Sup’ Defenders….

    BX in Md, AKA Bronxboy in MD, is present and/or accounted for!!

    (That’s the retired “AF Vet” in me….)

    Salutin’ da fellas….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:02 pm

  11. O & B…

    On Zeke trying get himself fired….

    I mentioned that just last nite here on the blog!!!

    Check out the last thread.

    I swear, some of the coaching moves, it’s as if he’s giving them an excuse to terminate him.

    This stuff about “winning or dying” and not quitting is because it’s just not financially feasible thing to do, that’s all

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:06 pm

  12. I hear those sleighboos ringin’, just ting ting tinglin’ at home tonite…

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Play the Unknowns all night, Zeke, you silly should of been fired and never hired dhead!

    By StevieKnix on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:09 pm

  13. Q is starting tonight! I hope it’s an on game for him!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:10 pm

  14. I’m Not sure about Zeke wanting to be fired!
    It could be possible, any objective Male would
    have a tough time in a place where someone who
    looks like ABS wins a sexual harassment against you!
    Everyone knows Zeke is innocent or has a fetish for
    Shemales! Shyt like that…walking around having people say your guilty
    of wanting it from that THING????? It’s enough to make any straight male
    cut his wrists!!!!!! We need a win tonight!!!!!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:18 pm

  15. Stevieknicks,

    Did Santa cum down more than your chimney????

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:21 pm

  16. Sir, yes Sir! Jay Bee reporting for duty Sir!

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:39 pm

  17. Now that everyone includeing Breen has blown Jason Kidd,
    let play some freaken hoop!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:39 pm

  18. @ Jay Bee…lol

    “Sir, yes Sir! Jay Bee reporting for duty Sir!”

    Soundin’ like Peterson in “Soldier Story”….lol

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:41 pm

  19. Re# 15 - Wait for the money shot. Ka Blaow! All over Breeny’s face. Afterward J Kidd grabs his pussy.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:41 pm

  20. I liked Adolpus Cesar’s character in that one. “Ya daaaaamn geechy!” He was good in The Color Purple too as Old Mister.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:43 pm

  21. VINCE! what was fred thinking?

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:46 pm

  22. Q started. so far he can’t buy a shot. Jared should come in for him.

    Nice curry is on the books. 6-6.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  23. i don’t think zeke is trying to get fired. he’s just too stubborn for his own good sometimes.

    lol @ #13, yeah peaceman, buddy has too much salt in his diet. and as for licking shots, ize just bein silly.

    where’s st. george, lives these days? i know we all get busy from time to time and personal ish can throw us off track for a good minute, but at this point their absence is starting to feel like some weird pouty boycott?? can knicksdee at least confirm they’re still lurking?

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  24. dwight howard throws that same elbow (if not more viscious than that) but somehow howard eludes drawing the foul and curry gets called for it.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  25. Like Jones’ moxie on the dunk attempt, although it was blocked..

    Clyde implied they should get Curry more involved, but it doesn’t seem as if he really wants the rock…

    Did yall see his lip? It’s gotta be bothering him…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:49 pm

  26. i’d like to see mardy guard kidd. same size and a better defender than jones.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:50 pm

  27. Yeah JayBee…Adolphus Cesar was “Sarge”…

    One of my all-time favorite movies.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  28. take kidd out of his game and you take the nets out of their game.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  29. The Nets have their own JChuck tonight!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  30. If kidd keeps shooting, he’ll take the nets out of their game! lol

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:52 pm

  31. Somebody put some hot sauce in Curry’s gatorade bottle. Hustle and Muscle. You gotta love Clyde.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:53 pm

  32. crawford on kidd now.
    good hustle rebounds by jeffries.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:54 pm

  33. You know what they should do…for one game…

    Post Eddy on the low block, and Zach on the high post…

    and force feed Eddy till he begs em’ to stop, and let’s see how he handles that.

    He says he’s not getting enough touches, right?

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:57 pm

  34. Peace,

    That’s exactly the strategy against Kidd…

    Make him a shooter and not a playmaker/facilitator.

    The whole team suffers if Kidd is a scorer.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:59 pm

  35. looks like Zeke has said the right things to Curry!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 7:59 pm

  36. curry beasting tonight!

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:01 pm

  37. they should give mardy an assist for that airball to curry’s layup.

    jeffries is cleaning the boards tonight.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:01 pm

  38. almost a sweet play with the missed alley. too bad.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:02 pm

  39. WTF is wrong with Mardy Collins??

    Why did he throw Curry that pass???

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:03 pm

  40. Knicks D..

    That’s the kind of pass that’ll get you injured if not properly thrown…there was alot of traffic in the area.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:04 pm

  41. Cosign on that traffic comment. Where’s Nate?

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:05 pm

  42. That’s right Isiah…MAKE Eddy and Zach work this shit out!!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:06 pm

  43. Craw gotta be from the Bronx with moves like dat….lol..

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:08 pm

  44. Curry’s lip looks like a boil that needs to be lanced. Nastay. Somebody should punch him in the lip once a week if he’s going to play like this.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:11 pm

  45. I’ll tellya what..Zach is quietly imposing his will on this Knick team…

    He’s making it his own…which isn’t necessarily a bad thing….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:14 pm

  46. The refs better call this shit tight, the nets are hacking the
    hell out of the knicks under our basket! Easy way for a fight to
    start!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:19 pm

  47. Watching Curry just standing and looking, and not going after rebounds is just making me wanna scream……..

    Just grab the damn “bound”….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:27 pm

  48. Bronxboy,

    I hear you on #43!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:27 pm

  49. Q needs to play D and not brick anymore!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:28 pm

  50. Zach’s last shot looked good when he let it go….

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:33 pm

  51. Bronxboy # 31,

    Thats the truth! If Zach can hit like that,
    they will have to guard him out there,
    leaving Curry with single coverage.

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:36 pm

  52. Peace,

    You don’t have to worry about Zach holding up his end of the bargain….his “j” is, as u say, “pure”….

    Curry, on the other hand, will have to revert back to his ways of last season before I’m a believer it can work.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:38 pm

  53. Lee is the odd man out tonight because Curry has avoided
    foul trouble! Jeffries is doing the dirty work and not chucking
    shots! We have to pull away in the third!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:44 pm

  54. If Q was hitting his shot, we’d be up by 16!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:57 pm

  55. again zbo’s leadin the assist parade. i think he wants to strap the team on his back.

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 8:57 pm

  56. Aight Curry…THAT was a bound!!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:03 pm

  57. Zach had all ball!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:11 pm

  58. Yeah that was all ball. Cheatin’ azz refs. Sterns got his finger in the pie.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:14 pm

  59. Stern’s

    By Jay Bee on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:15 pm

  60. Keepers…

    Jamal, Zach, and Lee….

    Everyone else in expendable.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:17 pm

  61. Crawwwwfoooorrrrdddd!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:17 pm

  62. We have to play like were 20 down! No let up!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:18 pm

  63. “is” expendable…

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:18 pm

  64. I’m feelin’ good about this one, Peace….

    I agree…we do have to maintain.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:19 pm

  65. why urrybody worried about ytpos? ;-) we ain’t writin essays up in hurr.

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:23 pm

  66. Any signs of shakiness from Jared, sit his azz down!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:23 pm

  67. HUGE game for Eddy Munster tonight. Will he be back before the game’s done?

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:24 pm

  68. True dat, Folly….lol..

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:26 pm

  69. See how bodies bounced off Lee when he went to the basket????

    when Curry goes to the basket, he should be puttin’ mugs in the cheap seats!!!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:31 pm

  70. 10 seconds on williams in the lane!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:31 pm

  71. The Knicks want this!
    They are playing smart ball!
    Man up NY! Man up!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:35 pm

  72. I love the D Jones is playing on Carter…

    It’s gonna be tough to get him out of the lineup when Steph returns.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:39 pm

  73. We get one stop and score…. The fat ladys singing!
    MAN UP KNICKS!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:43 pm

  74. I’m out and about but I had to squeeze some time to shout you guys out…

    what up!!!

    Looks like this is a winning performance. Crawford with a floater in the lane to put the Knicks up 8 with less than 3 minutes left in the fourth.

    whats been the difference? i hadn’t even known they were playing tonight until i tuned in here…

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:43 pm

  75. When Zeke was calling the play on the sideline while Craw was dribbling at the top of the key…

    I knew he was calling Craws’ number.

    Great call!!

    The kid is as cool as the other side of the pillow.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:43 pm

  76. My man BARF!!

    Good to cya, fella!!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:44 pm

  77. Good to be seen by ya ma dude.

    QRich almost gets the steal…oh man.

    Are my eyes deceiving me?

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:45 pm

  78. Where’s that infamous shit eating grin on kidd’s face now?????

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:47 pm

  79. Game!

    Zach iced it.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:47 pm

  80. Curry got a block ???

    When was that and how’d it look?

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:48 pm

  81. Peace,

    Post #76…

    I was thinkin’ the same thing…lol

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:48 pm

  82. Mike Breen can pack his Blowing Kidd for sometime!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:49 pm

  83. Wow…from looking at the boxscore…its not exactly a game i would think we would be winning…not much help from the bench?

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:50 pm

  84. BARF you missed a Monster Curry Block!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:53 pm

  85. Did the crowd just say fire breen??? lol

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:58 pm

  86. Breen says..

    There’s another chant in the stands, I can’t make out what it is…

    Clyde says…

    They’re saying, “get rid of Breen”….

    Ha!!

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 9:59 pm

  87. Aw man.

    What a game to miss. I feel like a herb for missing it.

    Zach had a monster game. 20 pts, 13 brds, 5 assists…

    Craw had 32 pts, 7 brds, 3 assists and a steal…

    and Curry had 23 pts, 9 brds, a block

    WOW.

    I imagine everyone else did enough to fill in the blanks because no one else’s stats are jumping out at me. Wish I were recording this at home.

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:00 pm

  88. Knicks win 94-86.

    By Syd on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:00 pm

  89. Frank is starting to resemble Jeff Van Gundy!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:01 pm

  90. About damn time.

    By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:03 pm

  91. LOL Bronxboy,

    Breen tried to play that off with “There just making it up as they go!” Ha ha !

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:04 pm

  92. LIVES MAKES A CAMEO!!!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:04 pm

  93. Peace, are you being serious? they really chanted that?

    Great if they did.

    LINJ,LNY Nice to see you

    By BARF on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:11 pm

  94. LIVES! Nice to see ya name….

    Winning can make even cabbage taste better….and because it came against the Nets it is doubly sweet!

    HAHAHA i wonder if Steph is mad since his own personal streak against the Nets is still ongoing….

    i agree with you on Fred…..he’s a journeyman, but he sees that PT is available for him if he can play a role and defend and he has done a nice job this year upping his game and taking advantage when Isiah pulls his card.

    It also pretty much buries Nate on the bench, but i’m for it if it translates into wins and effort!!!

    Someone pass the Dutch to Sean, he looks depressed! LOL - LGK!

    By PaulNoize on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:14 pm

  95. Hey Peace baby, I see you got the roll call going. Fortunately, I haven’t had much time to dwell on the demise (my wife woke me up and said “Honey, the Knicks are playing and they’re winning” and I just kissed her for not letting me miss a victory). Maybe they can win the next three like they should have won the last two. Seattle (ugggggh). I’m sorta sorry that I haven’t been around but I’ve got another non-paying battle dominating my time that involves making sure some kids get the same chances we have. So I may never catch up on nearly two weeks of reading. But it’s all good and I still sleep better when the Knicks win.

    By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:14 pm

  96. Yanno..we might have something here…..

    Look at the numbers:

    Zach….20 pts, 13 brds, 5 assists…

    Crawford…..32 pts, 7 brds, 3 assists and a steal…

    Curry: 23 pts, 9 brds, a block

    Obviously, we’re not going to get that type of production every night from those guys, but if we can get 15-16 ppg, 7-8 ast from Steph, not to mention what we can get from Lee and the rest of the bench…

    We might be on to something!!

    There’s still lots of season left.

    Think about it….if we sweep the Sixers and beat the Sonics (like we should have), we’re 10-13.

    Cause for optimism.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:17 pm

  97. Yeah, I miss you guys too, but I’ll probably be back in at least partial swing after the my Chi-town family comes and goes after the Christmas holidays. But I gotta say, I love that Mitchell Report. Has Modi written on that one.

    By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:20 pm

  98. This was a big VICTORY! It was against a team that we couldn’t beat with Kidd!
    We have passed that mental block! This should carry us with momentum the next three games!
    We can get into the mix! We have 75% of the season left to gain momentum! The Ghosts of the Nets
    are GONE! We will step it up another level!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:25 pm

  99. There are only 4 not 5 team in the eastern conference
    that have wining records! We will be fine! I really think we have
    mentally turned the corner!

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:31 pm

  100. Isola’s blog has got so pathetic, he’s had a new post since 12:00 noon and
    has but one poster! And that one poster, is only one poster. His post is only one,
    so he has one poster! lol

    By Peaceman on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:43 pm

  101. Got all caught up in the game and see that the enthusiasm wasn’t lack on this blog.

    Great to get a victory!

    Like I’ve said all along when Zach starts to become a more profficient passer things will open up for the rest of the team.

    I’m glad to see my favorit Munster stepped it up tonight.

    I’m going to sleep great tonight.

    A whaddup to Lives and BARF

    welcome back homies!

    Goodnight.

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:47 pm

  102. Starters played well tonight, especially Crawford and ZBo and much better showing from Curry. Win is
    much needed, but alot of ground needs to be made up. There is still time and I am encouraged by last night’s
    comeback as well as tonight’s game. LGK

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:49 pm

  103. Curry missed a double-double by one rebound!!!!!!!!! Whaddup O&B.

    By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Dec 15, 2007 at 11:00 pm

  104. “I’m sorta sorry that I haven’t been around but I’ve got another non-paying battle dominating my time that involves making sure some kids get the same chances we have.”

    i salute you, sir. that’s gotta take priority, absolutely. keep on keepin on. you were missed is all. you too, BARF.

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 15, 2007 at 11:11 pm

  105. Finally we have a good game. I didn’t even watch it though, too bad. Im gonna catch the replay.

    But I did watch something worthwile just now and everyone of you should watch this movie on line for free. It talks about some real shit so get ready conspiracy theorists. Christians beware, your ass is grass! http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
    Its a 5 star historical perspective on life. Modi you gotta see this.

    By rush on Dec 15, 2007 at 11:20 pm

  106. As a matter of fact all of you should make all your friends watch it and have them make all their friends watch it too and so on.

    By rush on Dec 15, 2007 at 11:26 pm

  107. good win tonight guys. i’m really glad they got one under the belt. eddy curry with the block! no minutes for wilson chandler, few for renaldo or jeffries, but a win is a win. our three-man attack was better than theirs tonight.

    yo check this out, remember keon clark, the shot blocker from a few years ago? he says he never played a game sober. isn’t that something? he was drinking at halftime?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3156390

    i hope he gets help with his problem, a sickness that hurts so many, but it really surprised me that he could slip under the radar like that in the pros for so many years and nobody ever mentioned it before anywhere. its just very hard for me to believe. makes me wonder what else they’re allowing or not screening for… just bloggin’

    By knicksdefense on Dec 16, 2007 at 1:19 am

  108. crawford over the last four games:

    24.5points 4rebounds 4.8assists 1.3steals

    only three turnovers tonight for the fred and jamal back court.
    only two last night against chicago.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 16, 2007 at 1:35 am

  109. Google Alert - new york knicks Sun 12/16/2007 1:51 AM

    Curry ends scoring slump, Knicks end five-game skid by beating …

    NBA: New York 94, New Jersey 86

    The Isiah Thomas Untouchable Curse Continues With Eddy Curry & New …

    Knicks Courtside: Curry Breaksout In Win Over Nets

    Isiah hints at Knicks trade

    Madison Square Garden vs. the Verizon Center on a key urban measure

    By Syd on Dec 16, 2007 at 2:30 am

  110. This was a solid win. We got the lead fairly early in the game and kept it throughout. Learning how to win games consistently is a process. Games like this help you to see what it takes to be successful. LGK!

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:29 am

  111. Also pathetic re: MSM - trying to imply that the Knicks won because the Nets were “tired” from battling the Cavs the night before even though the Knicks played last night also. I guess we also won because Boston Snackbar didn’t play. Whatever!

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:32 am

  112. KnicksD @ post # 107….

    And who was it that vehemently stated that Crawford wasn’t a starter in this league?

    I believe it was African, I’m not sure.

    With Jamal’s emergence as a pg (if need be)Steph is gonna have to toe the line and not “upset the waters”, for he is highly expendable.

    Which is not necessarily a bad thing.

    By bronxboy in Md on Dec 16, 2007 at 10:50 am

  113. LOL, Out of all our beat writers, Bermy is the only one to give the
    Knicks credit for the win instead of crediting the Nets poor play!
    Looking at Con’s Blog, Trane’s comments are pathetic! He’s not sure if he’s
    happy about last nights win? Way to go Trane, your a real die hard!
    Trane is not the guy you would ever want to watch your back. He’s a Pussy!
    Claiming that this season is lost already? Bull! Here’s Why That’s Bull!

    Lets give Boston, Detroit, and Orlando playoff spots! 59 games left and this
    is why our season is a long way from over!

    1.Toronto 14-10
    2.Wizards 13-10
    3.Pacers 12-12
    4.Hawks 11-12
    5.Bucks 10-13
    6.Nets 10-14
    7.76′S 10-14
    8.Cav’S 10-14
    9.Bulls 8-13
    10.Charlotte 8-14
    11. Miami 6-17

    The Knicks are 7-16 but for anyone who knows anything about basketball
    to say our season is over when a few wins will put us back into the mix
    for one of the 5 playoff spots left if indeed Boston doesn’t fall apart
    with injuries ( it’s already started with Allen) is not even remotely a
    fan of anything! Man Up NY, we will continue to play one game at a time
    until we are in the playoffs!

    I hope two more transactions take place. I like the odds of both being reality!
    1. Marbury accepts coming off the bench.
    2. Artest is a Knick soon!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 10:52 am

  114. @ Paulnoise,

    @#147 last blog. Yes, next year is the 2008-2009 season!
    And yes 2008-2009 Marbury’s contract is an expireing one!
    You doubt your own post??????

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:10 am

  115. Let’s not get crazy after last nights win.
    It was a good victory but let’s leave it at that.

    Isiah doesn’t know how to keep this team motivated.
    He doesn’t know how to keep the pressure on these guys so they can go on a nice win streak.

    We beat NJ (under 500 team)…now let’s just move on to the next game.
    If we can lose to Seattle in our building…..beating the Net’s does nothing for me.

    Good win last night though.

    Means nothing if we lose tomorrow.

    Marbury will be back tomorrow also for the Pacers.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:32 am

  116. No Davonn,

    Whats Crazy is people saying this season is over for the Knicks!
    That is crazy shit! Last night was a different win! Being against Jersey
    is the fact that that ERA of Net dominance over the Knicks is over!
    That win will be our turning point!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:46 am

  117. I hope so Peaceman..I truly hope your right bro.
    Was I the only one mad last night when the fans were chanting fire Isiah while we’re up 10 with a minute and a half to go?

    Like I said….

    FUCK THOSE BIRDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:48 am

  118. Amen Davonn,

    FUCK THOSE BIRDS!
    The Raptors vs the Celtics @ 1:00PM. Both these teams are one injury away
    from their own losing streak! The Knicks have hit Rock Bottom and are on our
    way up!

    Let it be Known that TRANE IS A PUSSY! Shit for Mommy Trane!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 12:20 pm

  119. That?s right, Peace — you may be satisfied with your absurd predictions that the Knicks will win every game, but I?d like to see some respectability (and reality) return to the Garden. I figured that piece would trigger a reaction like yours. And yet, I thought it was an interesting and important issue to explore. It was genuinely troubling to write. If you?d read my piece carefully, you?d know I expressed enormous conflict over my reaction. Why? Because I didn?t want one lone win to be used as an excuse to maintain the status quo. If winning last night is used as justification to maintain the status quo . . . then, yes, I?m sorry they won. THAT is what I said. This team is in too much trouble. I realize you don?t want to recognize that. It?s your privilege. All week you predicted the Knicks would win every game. Now you think last night was the turning point. You CHOOSE optimism. That?s great. For you. Certainly with the East in such sorry shape, the Knicks have enough talent to make a run. Whether they will or not is a very different story. You grasp at any shred of positive play, yet ignore hours of ugly basketball. I’m sorry if I’m not convinced.

    I?m curious, though — what was so threatening to you in what I wrote? Why get so defensive? Why the venom? I?ve never attacked you. I try to keep my posts about basketball unless I?m responded to hatefully. You talk about haters, but there?s more hate in your posts that I?ve read since Mark started getting banned.

    Why can?t you respond to the issues I raised? Yes, they?re serious. It?s very difficult for a fan to be conflicted about his own team winning. But the point is, I have so little faith in this management team, that I believe they?ll spin the win to the teams? DISADVANTAGE. That would be a bad thing. That would hurt the team. THAT is what I don?t want to happen.

    Also ? yes, I think the season is lost except to the extent it can begin to change directions and point toward a brighter future. There?s no hope of even sniffing 41 wins. Why in the world would we want on of those playoffs spots? For the moral victory? Forget that. Again, if you?d read my piece carefully you?d know I don?t recommend tanking the season. But I?m also against all-out campaigns to sneak into the playoff for the privilege of losing in the first round. I recommend playing for the future, and not worrying about the standings or the playoffs this year. I?d rather get a great player in the lottery. That?s my opinion. You want to discuss that? Or do you want to climb the jungle gym and call people bad names? Your call . . . You obviously take criticism of the Knicks/Isiah very personally ? as evidenced by the way you lash out. That?s too bad. That?s how playground punks act. Is that really who you want to be?

    By Trane on Dec 16, 2007 at 12:20 pm

  120. It’s called being a fan TRANE.
    Something you Know nothing about!
    Anyone with mixed emotions about a win
    for the team you are illeged to be fan of
    is not a fan! A fan goes down with his team,
    jumping ship is not an option for a true fan!
    I stand Pat by my statement, you are nothing but
    a passive agressive Mark! You are a Back Door Coward!
    You are a BOO Bird! Fuck BOO BIRDS!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 12:37 pm

  121. Defenders, GOOD PM!

    The losing streak is over and OUR BELOVED KNICKS showed some heart and resolve last evening.
    They could have tanked and come out flat and uninterested, but they played hard and much smarter last evening, and it produced a win over their neighbors in New Jersey.

    Cetainly the insertion of Jones and Jeffries into the starting line-up has given US a defensive posture and presence early in games, so that is a positive, and it is starting to carry over throughout the game. They still have lapses during the course of a game but that is to be expected. ZBO is starting to expand his game a bit and the high low option is getting better as his passes are more crisp and on time. We still need better ball movement, but they are trying, so there are some encouraging signs.

    I want to acknowledge and commend our Host, Peaceman, Jay Bee, Barf, DVJ, BRONX, Post-Up,
    O & B, Syd, Folly, even Rush, for doing your darndest to keep the THREAD postive and encouraged and highly informed. GREAT JOB DEFENDERS! GREAT JOB!

    LIVES, always good to read your posts, and more importantly, it is good to know you and yours are well.

    I just want to holla out to my Brothers from other Mothers, Steady, St. George, Harlem, ANTI, and MODI to let them know that they are in my daily prayers, and wherever they are, I hope they are keeping it real, staying strong, and keeping the FAITH.

    Enjoy your afternoon Defenders and I’ll chack back in a little later.

    Keep it POPPIN!

    By cooleyhigh on Dec 16, 2007 at 1:02 pm

  122. Cooleyhigh!

    Good to CYA!
    The Raptors and Celtics should be an interesting game!
    Can’t wait to play the Pacers tomorrow night!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 1:11 pm

  123. Good day defenders!

    Cooleyhigh I am glad to see you back in the fray.

    I am going to post an APB for African.

    Have to give him respect for leading the charge on the Knicks Fix exodus!

    Your still a co-captian here. But I must admit while Eddy Munster played well last night he’s still very much an enigma.
    Only good and consistent plays on both sides of the ball will change that opinion of him.

    With regard to Trane’s cotention regarding his indiference or perhaps even preference that the Knicks do not just barely make the cut and become an early out in the playoffs. Here’ my two cents.

    Last year Orlando was an 8th seeded team that needed a late season charge to secure that last playoff seed.

    Orlando was of course swept by the 1rst seeded Detroit Pistons.

    But can you say that the playoff experience obtained from their 8th seeded early out has had no effect on the development of the currently 3rd seeded Orlando Magic Team of this season?

    IMHO caveman er primitive opinion, reaching a goal, the playoffs being the Knicks stated goal this season, gives the team a sense that later goals set further down the line are not only feasible but also obtainable. Such goal orientation gives a team and it’s players something to strive for and perhaps moreso a reason to believe that a very bad early start can still be turned around.

    Does anyone think that the current Orlando Magic team that was swept last year, hasn’t set higher goals which they are working to obtain this year that they might not have had had they not made the playoffs.

    On a related subject, although this is very unlikely, who knows, perhaps the Knicks sneak in as an 8th seed and pull off one of those memorable 1rst round upsets.

    I’m a die hard,… so untill it’s clearly out of reach I’m rooting for this team to work to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, as hard as they may seem to obtain currently.

    Shout out to the Defenders family

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 16, 2007 at 2:37 pm

  124. Cooleyhigh,
    Thanks for always. Steady, steadfast and Still for His guidance and blessings. May you and yours rejoice in same.

    St_George,
    Hope and pray that all is steady in your world following the rumblings in the EC.

    Rockstar, Jay Bee, Post-up–definitely Kings of the Hill.

    Tman, LINJLNY–You are quiet men. “Shakespear would be proud”–Tman.

    KFLL

    By Steady on Dec 16, 2007 at 2:57 pm

  125. Re: # 104 & 105 - Whenever someone tells me to forward this to everyone you know, I consider it spam and don’t even bother to view it. It’s probably his site and he’s just trying to get some hits by going to blogs and telling everyone there, “Hey, this is cool. Check it out!!”

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 3:02 pm

  126. O&B – you missed an even better counter-example to my post than Orlando: The Knicks themselves have the greatest run from the 8th spot in history, all the way to the finals.

    But neither analogy is relevant. Certainly nobody imagines this Knicks team could catapult from the 8th spot to the finals. Nor are the Knicks in a similar situation to Orlando last year. We’re not about to sign an all-star free agent over the summer. And you may believe our center will have a break-out year next year . . . but my sense from reading this blog is that you’d be in the minority if you did. Hence, I don’t really think Orlando’s situation applies either.

    And BTW – definitely not indifference. Frustration. Anger. And yes, I’d rather miss the playoff, and do better in the lottery, then make the playoffs for the privilege of being swept. Why? Because it’s better for the Knicks in the long run. That’s my opinion. I’m not rooting against the Knicks. I’m just saying we should be playing for the future – for the next 3-5 years and more - and not worry about standings/playoffs this year. Especially if a playoff spot this year – however unlikely – would hurt us down the road. That’s not good value.

    By Trane on Dec 16, 2007 at 3:09 pm

  127. Knicks’ record over the last ten games? 3-7. An optimist sees that and says, “Hey, that’s the same record as the Nets! We’re matching them, we’re keeping up!” The pessimist (realist?) realizes that even with the Nets’ atrocious slide, they’re still three games up. Can we expect the Nets to continue sliding? Even Philly’s gone on a run and passed us. We need to go on a run NOW.

    The gap doesn’t seem like much now, but I’m telling you the team needs to gather a real sense of urgency b/c it won’t stay like this. Teams are starting to gel, figuring out their identity for the season. Who are the Knicks?

    The Knicks have a team where, outside of Zach (the Knicks’ Big Ticket?), you can’t really count on anyone having a real solid game, game in, game out. You just never know who’s gonna be hot on any particular night. I think Zeke’s still trying to choose his poison (looks like he’s leaning toward taking his chances with Crawford).

    I know it’s still “early,” but for long-term confidence sake, this is the time to make a push, a run, lawd gimmie a three-game winning streak! To make the 7-win December I expected/hoped for at the beginning of the month, the Knicks need to win 5 of the remaining 6 games. I’ll settle for 3 out of the 6.

    LGK!!

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 16, 2007 at 4:09 pm

  128. Follymach

    I can’t disagree with you at all on your call for a sense of urgency from the Knicks.

    Trane.

    I see that you are spliting hairs, with regard to my Orlando analogy. I can respect that ability it is a good form of argumentative analysis. But my conjectural analogy wasn’t premised upon a strict comparison of development and acquisition of players on the Orlando team versus this New York Knick team. If that were the case, you would have noticed in the same blog I wrote that I also have serious doubts regarding the enigma that is Eddy Curry.

    The gist of what I was saying is that to obtain a goal, IMHO, is something that is constructive and is to me a more favorable option than to promote the Knicks demise to the NBA cellar.

    Most of us at this blog already acknowledge that the loosing is creating a sort of downward spiral. In addition that spiral is compounded by the negativity that permeates a generally negative fanbase and newsmedia. None of this can be good for the phsyce of the team or the players on it. As I see it what good would it be to prefer a team to loose, and not only loose but loose big time to the extent that discussions of a lottery pick becomes a point of discussion. For me that form of fandom is corrosive. It favors, the deterioration of a team sense of confidence, it’s belief that goals are obtainable, it favors the boobirds and calls for hysterical fan centered humiliation of players, it feeds into the predatory, wrecking ball style, New York sportsmedia.

    In a sense that strategy champions despair and chaos over hope and redemption.

    I am not the type of fan that prefers that path and that would actively call for it. Perhaps you are. And if so you know that this blog is not generally populated by those kinds of fans.

    One last word. I recall you were the blogger who attempted to instigate the blog cancer Mark to come over to our beloved Knicksdefense for the purpose of removing him from your stomping grounds at Knicks Fix and Knicks Knation.

    That one incident suggest to me that you would prefer to have ill omens and tidings visit others so that you can take a smooth ride on the A trane. It also suggest to me that you would wish the players on this Knicks team failure, despair, and ridicule so that can declare your fanhood when the sky is clear and no hardships for you as a fan abound.

    Like it was said in Vanilla Sky…

    “The sweet isn’t as sweet without the sour”

    Here’s to hopefully seeing the sweet side of this team’s potential, and not wishing that the sour becomes a form of salt and or lemon juice on the wounds of the teams current tumultuous season.

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 16, 2007 at 4:52 pm

  129. Trane

    As Statesman puts it

    Peace and Blessings!

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 16, 2007 at 4:55 pm

  130. Good win last night!!

    Hopefully the Jason Kidd omen is broken and the Knicks are going to break out from here. The trick will be the insertion of Marbury tomorrow and whether Eddy can continue with his play last night. Good defensive play by the Knicks last night. And good ball movement. They seemed to have found a rhythm. Can they keep it going?

    LGK

    By Jazz on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:00 pm

  131. The defensive effort appeared to have improved from the end of the Knicks game against Chicago on Friday on throughout the teams game against the Nets.

    I really hope that this trend becomes a fixture and mainstay b/c they will certainly to play both sides of the ball if they are going to make any type of run during the remainder of the season.

    Marbury’s return should help since he can play some offgaurd and spell Crawford so that his jumper isn’t flat at the end of games.

    I think Marbury’s presence would have certainly helped our cause against the Sixers and Seattle, which should have been wins for the Knicks.

    Oh well.

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:09 pm

  132. Write on O&B. You have not lost your touch. Good reads.

    By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Dec 16, 2007 at 5:43 pm

  133. Lives

    Thanks for the good word.

    I certainly miss your thoughtful prose and your thorough pregame analysis but I certainly understand that there are thengs more important than basketball.

    Much success in your endeavors with the young people you were mentioning previously.

    In the meantime we’ll hold the fort down.

    You know what’s good!

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 16, 2007 at 6:09 pm

  134. O&B re #127, way to put it down. well explained, all fair warning.

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 16, 2007 at 6:55 pm

  135. O&B

    I thought I was reading Lives in Jersey,
    Man you guys are eloquent!

    It may be noted that “the Chickens have come home to roost” Isola’s Blog is no more!
    He’s had one post the last day and that post was Drossman calling for Larry Brown to
    come back! Man that’s kinda sad, most of us used to call that place home in the past!
    Also the Knicks Fix are a few Clowns shy of a Circus! Knicksdefense is Da Man!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 7:48 pm

  136. thanks peace.
    good to see Steady, O&B, lives and barf are back.
    hey I’m watching league pass, denver versus portland.
    channing frye has 10 of their 14 points in the first quarter.
    reminds me of when he was a rookie and was scoring over 20 almost every night during the first two months of the season.
    he also packed melo underneath the basket.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:25 pm

  137. anyone planning on going to the indiana game tomorrow?

    By knicksdefense on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:27 pm

  138. Berman over at the post is writing that steph will be back tomorrow against the pacers.

    By knicksdefense on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:39 pm

  139. KnicksD

    I’m Watching Rutgers vs UNC on Espn.
    Rutgers down by 18 before the half!
    UNC is #1 in the rankings. Rutgers is
    talented but unranked. I’m not going
    to the Garden tomorrow! Read a couple
    of articles from the BIG PUSH that
    also stated Steph will be back tomorrow!

    By Peaceman on Dec 16, 2007 at 8:53 pm

  140. O&B –

    I, too, prefer hope and redemption over chaos. But I also prefer reality over fantasy. It’s fantasy to imagine this team making any kind of significant playoff run this year. I’ve never suggested tanking the year. I’m also optimistic, not pessimistic about this year – but in a different way from you. I think a lot can be gained from this year if it’s used as a stepping stone – if it supports a more solid foundation for the future. That’s why I say we should focus on the younger players – so they can gain experience and we can learn what we’ve got. I’ve simply stopped focusing on the spring of 2008. Instead, I’m thinking about what benefits the team more in the long run.

    I don’t disagree with your point about the psychology benefits of winning. I believe – and have written – that there’s a lot to be said for “learning how to win.” But young players also learn to win by being in the game at the end, instead of pulling them. That’s the kind of thing I”m talking about. Let’em have the experience of being out there at crunch time, which a lot of coaches won’t do if the standings are all that matter.

    Moreover, when I think about what would benefit this team most 3 years from now . . . I believe the team will be more successful in the long run by securing potential all-star talent in the lottery next summer . . . than whatever psychological benefits can be gained from a bottom spot in the playoffs and being swept in the first round. I think we need the talent. And to develop the talent we have.

    Re, Mark: Yes, I challenged him to come here. For two reasons. 1) to expose him as the coward he is. But also, in his idiocy, he was including me as one of Isiah’s ardent defenders. So he was “debating” against things I’d never said and things I don’t believe in the least. I told him if he thought he could hold his own against those opinions . . . this is where he should do it. In no way was it done to sabotage this site. I respect what Starburyfan has built here. I think he knows that. I read and post here, just not with the regularity I do on the Fixer site.

    You’re right that I was trying to rid the Fixer site of Mark, but I couldn’t care less about the Knation. Indeed, I made up the other screen name in order to engage him on the Knation site as a way of keeping him there. Marquette ’07 was my way of feeding the lost dog on the Knation site because I knew he’d respond . . . and hoping that would keep him away from Fixers.

    I honestly never thought he’d have the guts to post here (and was right). But in a sense, you’re also right – if he’s so vile that I wanted to get him banned from the Fixer site . . . it was wrong to challenge him to come here. I should have thought about the consequences for knicksdefender if he actually HAD come here. And that would definitely have been terrible. Luckily it didn’t happen. But I shouldn’t have done that. You’re right. That was wrong.

    On the other points, you may choose to see yourself as a “better” fan, but you’d be wrong. We’re both trying to get to the same place . . . just squabbling over the directions.

    By Trane on Dec 16, 2007 at 9:04 pm

  141. Lives: Good to see you check in. Same for you O & B, Cooley High and Barf. MIA of late are Steady, African and Anti, all of whome will hopefully be back soon. I missed reading your collective posts in the past week.

    We had some soul searching moments after the loss against Seattle. Peaceman, DaVonne, Jay Bee, along with Knickdefense, of course, have been holding the fort with great energy in your absence. Folly and
    bronxboy have also chipped in during the blight.

    Peaceman, especially, has been his indefatigible self–keeping all our spirits up, and defending the place against all defeatists and haters, while persistently campaigning for the arrival of Artest.

    I believe that Berman’s piece about Isiah self-destructing is pure boobird flight of fanciful speculation. Zeke’s win or die speech was
    sincere and necessary.

    Zbo is looking to pass as well as score; his assists are up of late; and his outside shot frees up E-City down low. Eddy’s ugly bruised lip may be making him positively meaner in addition to being ugly–a plus
    puss so to speak that adds something to his demeanor. Crawford seems to understand Eddy’s game and looks for him on the low post as well as for ally oop opportunities. Marbury needs to do the same when he returns. If E- City can play with the same intensity as in the Nets game throughout the season, then he is an asset, despite his shortcomings on D. Then if Q gets his stroke back, we should be o.k., even without Artest. I also expect to see more of Chandler as the
    season progresses.

    Knicks need to sustain the momentum from last night, and win against Indiana. With 59 games to play, the season is far from over, and the best, I believe, is yet to come. The time to turn things around is now. LGK

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 16, 2007 at 9:08 pm

  142. Knicks On Demand post-game videos of Isiah and of the team (Crawford, Zach and Eddie) are available for your perusal. Look in the section called What’s New.

    http://iptv.nyknicks.com/knicks/console

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 10:06 pm

  143. IMO - Curry wasn’t just going up strong. He was recognizing where the defender was in the paint. If he’s in the circle, go up strong. I’ve been let down by Herman M. before, but I’ve said that I believe he’ll get better and I stand by that. Cosign on Zach’s passing. The high/low game with Zach and Eddy made the game for me. We won and it was a good win, but Jamal played point and had 3 assists. I am concerned about Jamal. Even though he was on last night, I see his problem as being that he thinks he should keep shooting when he’s not on. He doesn’t seem to realize that sometimes it’s at the detriment of the team. A corollary seems to be developing with Jamal. In games we win he’s been fairly efficient:

    November Opponent Result Crawford FG
     Sun 04  vs Minnesota   W 97-93 8 for 15
     Tue 06  vs Denver   W 119-112 8 for 19
     Sat 24  vs Chicago   W 85-78 2 for 7
     Mon 26  vs Utah   W 113-109 7 for 16
     Fri 30  vs Milwaukee   W 91-88 10 for 24
    December Opponent Result
     Wed 05  @ New Jersey   W 100-93 7 for 17
     Sat 15  vs New Jersey   W 94-86 11 for 18

    I’m not sure if the text will keep it’s spacing, but the point is that when we win (Milwaukee game excluded), he’s pretty efficient. I’m not saying he’s the sole cause of our wins or losses. I do, however, believe it is a major contributing factor good and bad. I’ll review the losses when I have more time.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:17 pm

  144. The refs called a bs game in that Nets game. A lot of non calls and wrong calls against the Knicks. One in particular early on Eddy was called for an offensive foul when the defensive guy was camped in the circle. You don’t have to be nice to a guy when he’s in the circle. Lots of grabs and flat out shoving our guys and they don’t call it. Zach and Eddy are being treated like Shaq in some regards where they are being penalized for being big. If he hits the floor it doesn’t make it a foul and just because he looks like a flea on my back doesn’t mean you don’t make the call either.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:26 pm

  145. Re: #139 “I, too, prefer hope and redemption over chaos. But I also prefer reality over fantasy. It’s fantasy to imagine this team making any kind of significant playoff run this year.”

    It’s also fantasy to imagine this team NOT making a significant playoff run this year. You are still talking in opinions. With opinions: reality is relative, truth is relative, fantasy is relative. That type of argument works well with the sheeple in the Fixer nation, but elicits yawns from the Defender gallery.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 16, 2007 at 11:37 pm

  146. Keep em poppin Jay Bee. Reality happens tomorow nigh aginst Indiana. Twenty-sis games does not make a season. Take it one game at a time.
    Two wins in a row can start a winning streak. LGK

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:24 am

  147. Correction: Twenty three (23) games does not make a season.

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:31 am

  148. We got some good news!!!!
    From the Post!!

    Jerome James is back at practice full throttle and said he’ll return “soon,” with two weeks a possibility.

    “I just got to get my conditioning back,” James said. The Post reported two weeks ago Thomas told James, who had surgery to remove a cyst on his foot in November after missing all of preseason, he wants him in the rotation when he’s healthy because his interior defensive presence is something the Knicks miss and something Eddy Curry lacks.

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:32 am

  149. Yo!!!!!!!!!!

    Peter Vescey is hilarious!!!!!

    I just read his article from today.

    Wow!!!!!!!!

    By DaVonn Jefferson on Dec 17, 2007 at 12:40 am

  150. DVJ, where’s the link? I have no idea what article you’re talking about homie…

    I read from a fan on another knicks blog (think it was knicks knacks) that MSG Network is censoring reporters’ questions during the post-game interview with Isiah. that is, you only hear the answers Isiah says, you can no longer hear the original questions posed by the interviewers.

    I don’t know if this is true, because I’ve missed the past couple post-game interviews with Isiah, but I wonder, assume it is true, if this has anything to do with the lady-behind-the-bench issue from a few home games ago. isiah gave a perfect response to those questions during that post-game interview, but the fans that kept watching MSG after the game were given a little more show than the people who just read the paper the following day.

    more media policies = dolan is very hands-on owner of the knicks

    By knicksdefense on Dec 17, 2007 at 3:08 am

  151. (assuming it is true, and I’ll try to verify this during the the next televised post-game press conference)

    By knicksdefense on Dec 17, 2007 at 3:10 am

  152. Google Alert - new york knicks Mon 12/17/2007 1:56 AM

    The Big Stories of 2007 that Did Not Happen

    Crawford Helps Knicks End Skid

    Coast to coast

    Video: New York Knick Jamal Crawford signs autographs for charity

    Indiana Pacers vs New York Knicks Game Thread (12/17)

    Curry ends scoring slump, Knicks end 5-game skid by beating Nets

    Curry breaks out of slump as Knicks beat Nets

    Last Night’s Action: The Knicks Are Ok (Tonight)

    By Syd on Dec 17, 2007 at 3:53 am

  153. Lunacy. People like this don’t want this team to win. They want them to lose so they can keep teasing them. To keep the Knicks is profitable these days. If the Knicks were winning, what would these clowns write? I wonder. Greenberg’s a little pencilneck who peed his pants, never got the girl, used to get locked in his own locker and now is getting back at the jocks.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12132007/sports/knicks/only_thing_worse_would_be_zeke_winning_946367.htm?page=2

    By Jay Bee on Dec 17, 2007 at 6:53 am

  154. Not true about muffling the writers’ voices. Most of the writers are a bunch of mumblers when it comes to asking their questions. The last few interviews were done behind the interviewing table. If the reporters want to be heard on camera, they need to stop mumbling and being scared. Usually they’re all in Isiah’s face with their microphones right up on him. I wouldn’t want that. Too many of them were using that venue, On Demand, to show that they’re “TV ready”. Hahny is probably first on that list. He would try to squeeze his big head in the camera shot to get some airtime.

    Their beat just got worse. Now they have to show respect, raise their hands like little kids (or the Washington, DC political press corps) and hope they get called on. This has got to be pissing them off. Act like kids, get treated like kids.

    By Jay Bee on Dec 17, 2007 at 7:04 am

  155. Trane

    Never said I was a better fan than you. All I said was that I’m not the type of fan to whish the teams demise b/c of the climate permeating the Garden these days.

    Nor did I specifically make reference to the Knicks making any specific sort of deep run into the playoffs. But if that were to happen it would be great.

    Perhaps you would hope they get swept by double digit losses?

    Reality over fantasy.

    The NBA season is only about a quarter ways throuhg. Many of the teams in the east are also below 500. There are close to 60 games remaining in the Knicks regular season. Marbury is returning from bereavment leave, after another personal loss and absence has taken from the teams depth, this time in the gaurd rotation. Jerome James, for all his folly, is a much more aggresive player than Curry defensively will return.

    I still think the Knicks have a shot a playoff spot that’s my opinion, and I’ll stand by it.

    But I’ll tell you what. When the Knicks are clearly out of the playoff picture, e.g., when the teams playoff’s hope late in the season would rest on a double digit winning streak, then I’ll retract my pro-Knick enthusiasm.

    Then off course you are free to speculate along with the rest of the crew which draft pick would likely improve the team’s long term fortunes.

    With regard to your take how the rest of the Knicks’ season should or could go… Jay Bee does say it best when he says:

    “You are still talking in opinions. With opinions: reality is relative, truth is relative, fantasy is relative. That type of argument works well with the sheep[] in the Fixer nation, but elicits yawns from the Defender gallery.”

    The Knicks are not yet mathmetically eliminated fromt he playoffs, nor are they a double digit late season winning streak out of the playoff picture. So again you may proceed with your take when either of the two events occurrs.

    Also if you read this blog you’ll know that many of the bloggers here have their reservations of the player rotattion and starting lineup. You’ll even be aware of a tendency here to get to see more of the youger player’s like Balkman, Chandler, Morris etc. So I don’t think we have any bones of contention with your suggestion that the youth on the team should get more burn. Moreover, if and when the season is officially lost, Thomas, or whomever mans the coaching spot at that time would do well to play the young guys plenty of minutes.

    I’m pretty much tired of nitpicking over our different versions of fandom.

    I know what kind of fan I am.

    A Diehard, who cannot and will not wish this team nor it’s players the a demise made all the more worse by the climate in NY sportscoverage and sheepish fandom.

    If it amuses you to have a different take, you’re welcome to have your opinion.

    Just understand that this knicks blog is not the site for that sort of negativity.

    OBTW

    Apology Re Mark accepted, at least from this blogger.

    Jay Bee:

    Read that Post article and I find the article repulsive, since the authro appears to promote the very opinion that our neighbor Trane promotes. The tenure of his article is of course more nakedly hostile.

    THe following part is what really burns me of course.

    “Anybody with a basketball, even Luke Ridnour, is going right through the Knicks right now. And good, because it increases the chances they will continue to fail miserably….

    So last night, the first of six straight games against teams with losing records, may have gone a ways to alleviating a smart Knick fan’s worst fear, that this team will inevitably start to play better, any kind of better, fueling Dolan’s delusion that a nucleus of a contender is being formed.

    For the long-term good of the franchise, that would be a far worst-case scenario than even what we’ve seen so far.”

    Now the officially MSM call is to cheer for the team and it’s players lack of success.

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 17, 2007 at 8:56 am

  156. Cheering the teams demise is equivalent to whishing it’s players ill.

    Enough said!

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 17, 2007 at 8:59 am

  157. The Pacers former perrenial All Star, Jermaine Oneal, has Isiah’s back, and puts the owners on the teams players for the current poor play.

    By Orange and Blue on Dec 17, 2007 at 9:01 am

  158. Tell me something, guys. How is the NY Post considered down there? Is it about on the same level as the NYT? Is it usually viewed as serious journalism? If it is, then I understand your being upset and tracking their writings. If it’s considered more second-rate stuff, stuff for people who enjoy titillation far more than objectivity, then why bother get yourselves all stoked up reading it? To me it sounds like the Post is the BooBird paper of record. Not worth following it. It’s speaking to a specific audience, not you. If the Times or other such papers get into that stuff, that’ the time to bang the gong. Ya feel me?

    By Charles Follymacher on Dec 17, 2007 at 9:22 am

  159. Good morning defenders.

    Good win saturday. I was very busy this weekend so I didn’t get to see either game. I’m glad to see that the Knicks finally won a game w/ an all out effort against the Nets.

    I can see that some of you think that we may have turned a corner by winning in Joisey. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves gentlemen. It’s only one win. A solid win but only one win nonetheless. If the Knicks can string together a winning streak, we can talk about them turning a corner. You guys are jumping the gun.

    Chuck,

    The post in the tabloid among the NY papers. Not good for real news but fun for speculation and rumors.

    By John Q on Dec 17, 2007 at 9:32 am

  160. Today’s New York Times on line (front page photo) has an objective story about Ron Artest and his focus on keeping his priorities straight: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/sports/basketball/17artest.html

    By Post - up Prince on Dec 17, 2007 at 9:48 am

  161. From Sam Smith of the Chi-Towns Tribune,

    There is still talk that Miami is trying to use Jason Williams and Ricky Davis’s
    expiring contracts to get Mike Bibby and Ron Artest from the Kings!

    If that’s the case then Zeke needs to step in and play some defense!

    By Peaceman on Dec 17, 2007 at 9:53 am

  162. Now hear this Defenders: I have been sent a messeage that there is a boycott planned for the 12/30 game at MSG!!!! These pessimist/realist “Knicks fans” (haters)want a change.I live in Florida but if I was in the area I would protest the protesters!!! They all want change for the sake of change in my book!! They think anybody could change this franchise for the better.And as we all know they are poisoned by MSM.These people wouldn’t know basketball if it bent them over and ………!!!!!!

    By George M. on Dec 17, 2007 at 10:18 am

  163. Peacman

    Checked out that Sam Smith article about the Heat trying to deal for Artest and Bibby from chicagosports.com.

    Heat forecast

    “Is it the battle for the No. 1 pick as the teams with the league’s worst records meet Monday night? That would be Minnesota and Miami.

    Yep, Shaquille O’Neal and Dwyane Wade’s Heat is still barreling downhill. Wade had his second consecutive eight-turnover game in Saturday’s loss to Indiana, and