Great comments all around last night during the unfortunate loss. There was someone spamming the site, pretending to be African, Peaceman, STATESMAN and Steady, so I took care of those because I know their words and this guy wasn’t even close. Probably somebody we know trying to ruin things.
Very frustrating game to watch, but not an entirely unexpected outcome. I’m no one but a fan, but the knicks bench five is better than their starting five. I’m not the only person in the world that believes this.
There is a rythm to this Knicks season, and it isn’t good at all. Good thing you had the “W” penciled in, right Peace? Seriously, we’re not good enough to assume victory against any NBA team now, not even the ones with the worst records in the NBA.
Simply put, there are some guys on this team with heart, and there are some guys on this team with a “less is more” attitude. I don’t think that all the guys have given up, but some definitely have given up. Its not only about effort though, chemistry is also a big issue, and the construction of the team is off. we’ve got no leapers in the starting five–and if you’re saying fred, well fred is 6′2″, and fred is just filling in for stephon. play below the rim in the nba these days and you’re toast because athleticism is the NBA. Skill is now secondary, it’s all about quickness and vert now.
We are now just one game ahead of Miami for dead last in the eastern conference. Why does Wilson Chandler play the last 30 seconds of the ball game, can anyone tell me? Is he that bad of a 23rd pick? Cause their 22nd pick Dudley got enough time to do something productive and feel like he belongs in the league, a scant 30 seconds of PT for the 23rd pick is barely enough time to commit an off-the-ball foul to get a “1″ on the stat sheet instead of all zeros.
Knicks played small ball in the second half and make it respectable but respectable does not equal win and therefor we get no respect with another loss to another irrelevant team.
Overall, if the Knicks don’t want to give 110% for Lenny Wilkins, or the loyal soldier Herb, or Next Town Larry Brown, or yet another hall-of-fame point guard Isiah Thomas (the guy that got them paid, no less), I’m thinking they won’t play hard for anyone else on the planet. And if you’ve got a team who won’t play hard for anyone, you might as well start dismantling said team. And if you dismantle that team, don’t have the same guy rebuild your team, it just isn’t a very logical way to approach rebuilding. The city of New York deserves a championship team, it has been a long time since the last one in ‘73. Four full years since Isiah came aboard, the time is right for change. We would have some keepers on this team thanks to Isiah (hint: said keepers not in starting five) but the keepers are the only players with real trade value, so adios muchachos. What was Herb’s record as head coach? 17-27 with Layden’s junk parts? that’s a .386 winning percentage, and right now with the better players we’re at 8-18 or .308. The Loyal Soldier really deserves a chance with a real contract as head coach of the Knicks. I also think Dave Hanners would make a hell of a coach for the Knicks based on the philosophy of his Knicks summer basketball team.
As for GM, well, that’s a whole other story, because Dolan could seriously f*** up any attempts by any incumbent GM to improve the Knicks. First, Dolan has to admit a big mistake with last year’s untimely contract extension, something he’s not happy to do. Any other human being would just say, “okay, my mistake,” yet with Dolan’s apparent infallible self-perception, you don’t have that common sense–ask the three guys that were still around the last time the Knicks were winning any ball games: Jeff Van Gundy, Latrell Sprewell and Allan Houston. Okay ask Jeff and Latrell, we know what H20/AH7 is going to $ay if you ask him.
The Knicks were hoping that Zach could be the guy that could symbolize this team as “the warrior.” Right now, I’d say Jerome James is the best personification of this Knicks team.
And cooleyhigh, I thank you for coming in and lifting us up with your positivity, we need it these days with the constant disappointment.
Contrary to what some people will think after reading this, I don’t hate anyone associated with the Knicks with the possible exception of James Dolan because every else is just being themselves. Eddy is just being Eddy, Jamal is Jamal, Steph is Steph, Zach is Zach, Isiah is Isiah, Q is Q. Dolan, however, continues to ignore the elephant in the living room. Last year we were supposed to make the playoffs, the year before that as well.
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Strong post by our friend and long time knicks blogger bokonon last night, thought it should lead out the discussion for the day.
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Great point Peaceman. Komives was traded for DeBusschere not Frazier. By the way, after Komives departed, who REPLACED him at the point? Just curious.
This team isn’t progressing. They have no direction. They have no identity, unless you consider rudderless doormat an identity. As I’ve always said I don’t give a crap about making the playoffs as long as the plan is to build for long term contention and not a futile playoff run or two. You want to see a progression though. Baby steps. Small improvements in areas where they lack. This is blatantly not happening. The Knicks at this point are Charlie Brown trying to kick the football with Lucy holding. This team is going nowhere any time soon and one “franchise player” isn’t going to change that in my opinion.
And since when did the W/L record become a matter of opinion?
You’ve added a 20/10 guy to the team from last year, essentially taking away nothing but Francis and Frye, (addition by subtraction) and the team has not just gone backwards, but has nosedived. This is not opinion it is facts by the numbers. Many of you want to give Isiah a pass and blame the players for the Knicks woes. Who brought these players here? Wasn’t it the “great evaluator of talent”?
And can we stop comparing the Knicks to other crappy teams like the Bulls and saying “well we’re not much worse than them” and other such nonsense? Is that the standard now? To be “not the worst”? We want to be the best and the team has the resources financially to be the best, and to have the best talent. So why shouldn’t we aim higher than “someday we’ll be as good as the Bulls”?
Listen just because the media has acted poorly doesn’t make Dolan a genius for alienating them. The guy has the basketball IQ of a can of fruit salad. And furthermore has it worked? Has it made his team more successful or his employees and players happier or more productive? What has this moronic media policy done other than alienating fans as well as the hated media now.
Also can you please stop with the EA Sports style trade analysis? Sometimes the guy who is the more prolific scorer or better athlete is not the better player on a given roster. You know what I mean. You can’t put a list of stats on the floor. And can someone tell Isiah that? I know you guys got pull like Drossman’s season ticketholder batphone line.
And speaking of the “myths of Isiah’s tenure”, (Including his awesome roster turnaround);
Aside from the first year where Isiah was blowing up the roster, but still playing with a majority of “Layden’s guys” and they made the playoffs, the Knicks have CONSISTENTLY had a worse record than Layden’s teams. Those teams were bad. These teams are worse. Potential? Let’s see it. Potential means eventually getting a little bit better. Not consistently getting a little bit worse.
Fact not opinion.
Rebuilding you say? Where is it? Where is the plan? And wouldn’t it be nice to have an ownership/management regime who would go to the press and lay out their plan for the FANS? No, not for the journalists, for the fans, because maybe we would like to know where the fuck Isiah is thinking this team will be development wise two, three years from now so us “uneducated fans who don’t know basketball like kids who grew up on the mean streets of the wet side of blah blah blah…” can be a little more patient. And will we be the 04-05 Knicks vision “Phoenix Suns East”, or the power ball neo-bad boy 2006 Knick squad only maybe, you know, good.
Which is it Isiah, or has the plan changed again? Oh I forgot, you can’t say. It’s classified. If you tell us, we might tell the enemy. Frank Isola. And the press are children? How f-ing childish is that? I’ll tell you why, It’s because if Isiah says “this is where we’ll be in 3 years”, then he will have committed and in three years we might actually expect the team to win three or four more games than the year before.
Rebuilding means having a direction, not throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
This team doesn’t need a new direction. This team needs a direction period. Other than backwards or tits up I mean, which is where they are now. How about starting with someone who knows how to coach to see what we truly have talent wise. We will never know until this group has been led by a real coach exactly what kind of talent we have. I was one of the first to say last year that a coaching change would set us back to square one. I still believe that, only now I believe that square one is a great place to be. It’s much better than free fall. Or tits up.
Sorry for the long ass cameo part time post, but…
Oh who am I kidding I ain’t sorry. F you if you can’t take it.
Oh, sorry Steady,
just bloggin
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