The New York Knicks (2-7) should be well rested and ready to go when they taken on top-flight point guard Baron Davis and the Golden State Warriors (2-6) tonight at 7:30pm. The Knicks look to stop their current losing streak which is now at six games, but the Warriors won’t go without putting up a fight, having just defeated the Raptors in Toronto. Don’t let the Warriors’ record fool you into thinking this will be an easy win, they’re a western conference playoff team who just got Stephen Jackson back and have now won two in a row after starting the season 0-6. Ellis isn’t shooting as well thus far this season. The knicks need to make sure to box out Andris Biedrins who is a walking double-double not unlike D Lee, only taller.
The keys to victory for the Knicks will be the same throughout the season: good ball rotation (don’t over-dribble, don’t over-rely on freelance scoring) get the ball inside, reduce turnovers, make free-throws (assuming you’re getting to the line), guard the perimeter scorers. The knicks simply must do all of these things if they’re going to turn it around this season. Sink or swim.
NBA.com has an interesting preview article here.
I’ll be unable to watch this one as I will be away from the TV. Hold the fort down as always.
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Stay up fellas! Kings of the hill, top of the heap!
I’ll say this about confidence and momentum..
They change at the drop of a dime.
A few wins (starting tomorrow perhaps)the confidence builds, and the momentum changes.
It’s still early.
Dr. Harlem–something’s got to give. If da chick on da side is givin’, then…you know what’s good.
If I’m a player on this team and I’ve got a C on my uni or have had any success as a player at any stage of my career, I’m calling for a POM (Player Only Meeting). Air the s#!+ out. Have everybody man up. WTF? Say your piece and what YOU plan to do to fix this. Find out who the snitch-a$$ ABS is who’s leakin’ team bizness. Call that ABS out in the POM. Have everybody man up and say, if I get 20 minutes of burn, count me for 15 and 7 boards or something like that. Hear Z-bo say, “Me, you know me–double-double”. Hear WTF Curry plans to man up to. Get everybody committed and report back to the Coach/President. The guys have no trade value at this point of the season so it has to be fixed from within.
Then again, they can do WTF they want. They’re grown-ass men. I ain’t defending them, I’m defending my passion in supoorting them through thick and thin, wins or lose. They don’t love me! They’ve got all da coins and I could use a new E-class.
KFLL
Our psyche is shot now, nobody can make a jumper. Its a difficult situation but hey it can’t get any worse. I’m still with Isiah but he needs a shot in arm now. Leadership is lacking and Isiah looks a little scared just like his players. This is not good. Players have to get over their childish fears and take control of their respective talents. They played this game since they were 2, they should get back to playing not fearing, and let nature take over. This may take some time to overcome I just hope Isiah is still around for the good times. If I was Dolan I’d come out to back him up and show support. It may help. If it doesn’t then I would explore other options.
“Me, you know me–double-double”.
LMAO!!
Hey Bronx,
What’s good? The MD boys be reachin’ out to you w/ love. Recall that Grant was in Orlando for a spell. All the new hops can be the result of shea butter and flaxseed oil sold in balm form out of the labs. I ain’t got no connects, I ain’t broad strokin’. I’m just bloggin’.
KFLL
O’k I’m not out.
HarleminMD, Philly fans suck, but both Barkley and Iverson and anybody that has played in Philly has played through boos. Yeah, he left but he had a Hall of Fame Career. A-Rod may have sucked in the playoffs, but he is still MVP. Yeah Reggie Miller played through boos NATIONALLY (not hometown boos) which is what you mentioned in your post #211 (specifically you wrote “The money means a lot, but if you are being booed and ridiculed NATIONALLY, would you still love the game?”).
Yeah these guys may not have been Champions, but they were not losers. They did not lose their lust for the game. They did not diminish their self-worth and effort because of some BOOS.
Last year, I wrote that the home boos impacted Marbury (he with the towel on his head) in October/November. But he started playing his butt off and the boos subsided. Are we entitled to go through this drama every year. Come on shouldn’t he know how to handle this situation by now?
I am all for being positive, but I am positive that they are not playing to their potential. NOT. NOT. NOT.
Peace, you ask about the solution, but you know we have all been talking and writing and ranting about solutions since we started this business. You want Artest to solve the problem. DaVonn wants Kobe to solve the problem. Starburyfan/KnicksDefense wants to kill off Zeke to solve the problem. I want effort, leadership, execution and free beer to solve the problem. Who said it, TMAN, Statesman or Steady. This ain’t hard. Basketball is not a hard game. It’s about possessions, hustle and execution. Simple game. Protect the ball, get a shot, put it in the basket, take away the oppositions strong points, make them uncomfortable, force them to run their offense deep in the clock if that is what they do poorly, pressure on the ball. Put yourself in a position to win.
Yes, I am preparing myself for Zeke’s release. For that possibility I am saddened, but his team let him down. They did not win, but worse, they did not play hard.
Now I’m Audi.
RUSH AND STEADY, now you’re talking. Be Men. Take control. Stop pissing in your pants and whingin on the court. Fuck the Boos. You should be booing yourself inside and taking responsibility. It’s not how many times you get knocked down, it’s how many times you pick your ass up. TEAM MEETING. Get your asses in gear. Show some pride. Show some respect for the man who believed in you. Stop being chumps and door mats. No excuse for it.
Denver, Phoenix and GS
ain’t nothing new. That’s the type of team. I said last year and I’ll keep saying it. They have trouble with the fast break teams. As do a lot of teams.
BARF,
I agree with you on this one. In fact, they would and can do a better job playing against a team like Detroit
tomorrow.
Detroit are slower and play half court defense; the Knicks prefer and can deal with thay type. They need to play
some nice half court defense and make their threes and maintain a nice ten point lead through out. We haven’t seen that awhile. We are waiting for and expect that type of game from them.
Cheer up Defenders,
According to Peaceman, the Knicks are only 0-1 one right now. The season began tonight. Win in Detroit, Knicks be 1-1. Too bad NY MSM doesn’t see it that way. Either Dolan. He might know basketball like some people claim, but
he can’t be that stupid.
I say it’s Isiah time to get desperate and trade David Lee and Nate for Artest right about now! We need to see some defense from somebody—one block shot when it counts would be so refreshingly inviting from us Knicks fans,
wouldn’t it?
from this year
WTG Coach Lives! Hope they get the memo.
You hit da nail on da head rush. Useful post. Very useful.
KFLL
Like Vic Corbitt would say, “We got this”. I want to see what effort these guys bring tomorrow. A blow-out by 20 then IT can hand-in his gate entry card and MSG badge. Just bloggin’.
PEACE AND BLESSINGS TO ALL. TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY, IF WE ARE SO FORTUNATE.
These guys don’t know how to “man up.” They buckle every time. Every time a defender gets in an aggressive defensive stance, they settle for a 3-pointer. Every time Curry gets his shot blocked, he doesn’t score again for 5 minutes. they don’t recognize mismatches. They don’t know how to exploit weaknesses without a designed play from their coach.
It’s hard to turn these boys into men.
Do the Knick players want to play basketball in New York? Either play with intensity or be gone. From the effort tonight, the media barrage against both Marbury and Zeke will not let up until either one or both are
dismissed, or one or two wins can happen quickly. A trade may be necessary at this point, if only to set an example. I would think almost all are expendable. This was an inexcusable effort in front of a home crowd that appreciates hustle, will forgive a competitive, hard fought loss, but not a passive and non-chalant approach to the game.
We Defenders have little to defend for the pathetic showing at the Garden tonight: 29 turnovers. Depressing indeed. Chandler and possibly Morris should be given more time on the floor–they can’t do worse that what was exhibited There may be CBA players who will put out more exertion than some who currently wear the Knick uniform. Tomorrow is an away game against Chicaco–probably a blessing: a chance to play without hearing the crowd yell “Fire Isiah.” Time for some real soul searching or some solo departures. Isiah must find some answers soon. KFL
Just got back in fromthat horrible game. That is all I can say horrible. Totally beat down from top to bottom.
These were not the Spurs out there
As crazy as it sounds but I thought we had great defensive stretches in this game but couldn’t hit shit in return. In the 3rd quarter I swear there were at least ten posessions in a row where we were stonewalling them but just couldn’t hit anything on offense. All this defensive emphasis really fucked up our offense this year.
DEE-FENDERS,
What is so perplexing about this team, is they are the total opposite of what Zeke stood for as
a player. They lack mental and physical toughness, resourcefulness, skills, & desire. Too many nice
guys, not a DICK on the club. The team is too comfortable w/ losses.
Zeke has been correct when he states how long it took teams like Chicago, etc. to become winners
again. What he has never said is that all of the teams changed GMs from the one who originally started the rebuilding plan.
Peace & Blessings
Wasn’t this team that handed our ass to us tonight the same
team that handed the unbeatable Dallas team their ass out
of the playoffs last year? I bet Dallas has an understanding of
what happened tonight! BTW, the Knicks Season starts tomorrow! lol
Keep the faith.
As the world turns and the players we love stumble
It’s hard to admit it but the cookie….I mean Big Apple has crumbled
Watch how Ariza shines on the Lakers
Magic Trade Ariza To Lakers
November 20, 2007 – 5:42 pm
Orlando Sentinel –
The Orlando Magic have been searching for a big man to replace the injured Tony Battie and have found their man.
On Tuesday, the Orlando traded forward Trevor Ariza to the Los Angeles Lakers for forward Brian Cook and guard Maurice Evans.
To make room on the roster, the Magic released forward Bo Outlaw.
The Magic used their $2.6 million injury exemption, from the Tony Battie injury, to make the deal work.
Listen to me and listen to me good.
It’s very easy for Isiah to save his kob.
First of all, if the reports are true that Isiah is trying to get fired…can we really blame him?
The team is not playing for him. Did you see when he called a timeout in the first half how animated
he was? He looked like he was ready to smack the shit out of someone.
Secondly, I didn’t know Dolan has a special seat right on the baseline next to the Knicks bench that shields
him from the cameras of TNT and ESPN. In other words, there is no possible way for those networks to get him
on camera. The only network that has the 1, ONE, UNO camera that can get him is obviously MSG…but the camera man
has direct orders never to just place the camera on Dolan. If you pay close attention, you can see him in some shots
but I just thought that info was crazy.
Now, back to the topic….
If Isiah wants to save his job, all he has to do is something so simple it might seem crazy.
Just pick up the phone and dial 10 digits. Call Dr. Jerry Buss and offer them whatever they want that would work under
salary cap rules.
I really think that if we had Jerry Colangelo…..Kobe would love to come here.
Isiah had his chance guys and so did this team.
If he stays fine…if he goes fine.
Tell you the truth and you heard it here first…..
I THINK ISIAH WILL RESIGN PRETTY SOON!!!!
2-8
Terrible…..just terrible.
Can we really blame Larry Brown now?
I know hind sight is always 20/20 but if we could do that scenario over again…
I think I would choose to keep Larry and not Marbury.
Larry saw this coming and so should’ve Zeke.
Looks like Larry wasn’t such a snake after all. Yeah, he spoke with reporters
when Dolan told him not to but that’s who he is. He also had a proven record
of turning teams around from losers to winners.
We have gone backwards from last year.
I don’t remember, did we start off this bad last year?
I didn’t see the game but I can tell from your posts that it was a tough one to watch. I read howard beck’s write-up, lots of boos through out the game and chanting.
I’m on the road stopped in Virginia traveling to family down south for thanksgiving. My girlfriend was sending me text updates with the game scores as I drove down the Jersey Turnpike–could not find the game on the radio unfortunately.
I’m not smart enough to know how to solve the knicks’ problems, but I know that you guys are real knicks fans and I only wish this team improvement and more wins because we deserve it for our perseverance though this adversity.
Maybe it is time to let Chandler have some decent minutes or switch Q for Jeffries. Q is struggling this year. The problem with the rotation is there aren’t enough guys that play two ways, which leads to bad combinations on the floor at the same time. Q is actually our best two-way player when he’s feeling good, but this year he’s regressed into the player that struggled during his first season in New York.
Chandler also blocks shots, something this needs pretty badly right about now.
the knicks need somebody who plays above the rim. Zbo, despite his dominant numbers, does not play above the rim. he got his shot blocked 5 or 6 times against the nuggets. curry can jump, but not quickly enough. Lee has hops but is undersized. balkman is the most dynamic forward on the knicks in terms of being in three places at once, but he isn’t an above the rim player either.
Excuse me Defenders:No D-Nic,But tons of Fred “Shmuck” Jones!!!!Steal on 1 play and TURNOVER on the same play!!!!No 3-pt. THREAT!!!!F.Jones should’ve beeen cut but IT had to defend his drafting of Jones 5 yrs. earlier?????? He has expiring contract!!! Cut him loose for D-Nic!! Nooooo!! No 3′s off the bench!!!! No streching the DEFENSE!!!!!! JChuck??? What a “SHMUCK”!!!! Works with H20 in training camp and still can’t learn to be a 3pt. threat????? If these players can’t handle the criticism,then FUCK’EM!!!!!! Give them my IP adress if they don’t like it!!!Gators are hungry this time of year!!!! Fuck them and the HORSE they rode in on!!!I bought League Pass Just because of them and now they want to play like TURDS then FUCK THEM!!!! If this B.S. continues the whole shbang will EXPLODE!!!!! They can all suck my DICK if they don’t like it!!!!! I will also introduce them to my friend GODZILLA the the gator if they are displeased with ny comments!!!!!(He’s a 15-footer) Big enough to eat the starting 5 in 1 SWIPE!!!!!!!!
Q. How do you lose a game by 16 points and it is not deemed a blowout?
A. By losing each quarter by 4 points.
The next five games are going to be pretty tough. If they come out 2-3, I’d take it and run. The key to bolstering confidence on the team (and throughout fandom) is to be competitive even in the losses. Don’t lose composure, keep fighting through it, make the victors know they were lucky to escape with the win.
Curry does not have the head or the heart for that. We have to de-emphasize him in the offense if you ask me. Risky, but methinks we should ride our double-double hoss ZBo now. Ride the man to death. He can take it. Marbury plays better with a big chip on his shoulder. He has one now. Big as his head.
To parachute in some quality, we have to give up something quality. Give a little to get a little. Either Lee or Balkman have to be in the package.
Team is fragile right now. A players-only would be good. Who’s going to lead it? N8? Crawford? I think it should be on Q. Just a rally meeting, no big airing of grievances.
Just keep it close fellas. Battle, battle, battle, no let up.
GSW not known as a great defensive team but look at these numbers:
steals: 17-3 GSW
blocks: 7-0 GSW
(turnovers: 27-11 NYK)
cannot afford to have huge imbalances like these (in multiple areas) and expect to win, not if we’re only just treading water with the opponent in the other areas.
we need to trade off some of our inconsistent guys. this means N8, Q, packaged with either Lee or Balkman. this team needs a shakeup and not sure if zeke can wait another year. this team, as currently assembled ain’t it.
anyone else get the feeling this team is still spending too much of practice time still trying to understand their offensive and defensive strategies and not enough time prepping for the next team it is to face?
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Yes, it was terrible, but not as terrible as living forever with the thought that you quit on each other.The answer is in believing in one another.Don’t make the mistake of thinking it’s all someone else’s fault and that you will eventually move on to better things.It’s everyone’s problem, here and now.You win as a team and lose as a team.
“The question is not whether we will die, but how we will live.”
OPEN LETTER TO MR. MARBURY, part UNO
Happy Thanksgiving Mr. Marbury. I pray that on this day that you and your family are experiencing great joy and love together. I know that your day will be filled with thanks and praise of the great Creator and Facilitator of life. I add to my prayer that such love, praise and thanks overflow in your heart and mind pushing out all negativity and spiteful motivations.
I am writing this letter to you because I am a long time Knicks fan and you are a New York Knick; in fact, for better or worse, you remain the fulcrum of a team for which we had great hope and expectations in the 2007-2008 season. I am writing you in this time of discontent and disarray with my last hope that before Isiah Thomas is fired and this team is dismantled that you will be true to your insistence that you have a better understanding of yourself and your relationship to your God. It is only through you or trading you that the Knicks season can be salvaged. I am betting that the salvation can be done through you.
I do not know you personally, but I have watched you closely throughout your career. Like others I was intrigued by the Knicks acquisition of you and the notion that you could be the cornerstone of a winning franchise. I was even more intrigued that the decision was made by Mr. Isiah Thomas, a man with unquestionably high basketball IQ and known for a the toughness of a fortune five hundred CEO. I was intrigued because clearly among Mr. Thomas’ greatest combination of skills is the ability to identify young talent and to communicate to young men in a way that brings out the best in them. It is clear that he saw himself in you. He saw a beautiful raw talent where most others just saw a selfish, self-centered ghetto boy lucky to have grown up with a basketball for a rattle. Mr. Thomas believed that he could, by his own example, instill in you, the confidence that would turn that talent into the most powerful force on the court, a point guard with leadership skills able to control the tempo, pace and heartbeat of a game. He clearly believed that he could get in that head and repair what others saw and still see as short circuits in your self-concept and understanding about humanity.
Mr. Thomas believed that with tough love, friendship and prodding that he could turn you into him – not Isiah the personality, but Isiah the tough young man who saw difficulties as opportunities to succeed rather than times to wither, whine and withdraw into self-pity. He thought he could do that and he convinced James Dolan to invest a lot of money in that belief.
What Mr. Thomas and Mr. Dolan did not fully understand is how impossible it is to build on a foundation of selfishness and self-centeredness that always threatens to shift the ground and destroy anything put on top of it, including love. A foundation of me always moves alone leaving ruins behind. By your own admission you have been a selfish, self-centered person fighting these tendencies for a long time.
I am writing you because I do not want you to leave destruction behind. I am writing you because as a Knicks fan I am so so hopeful that there was a slight sliver of truth in your announcement that you have found that all is ruled by a higher power and that the world does not center around you. Despite the fact that your latest actions and comments to the press have demonstrated just the opposite, I am going to offer you the following advice and suggestions to how you can turn this entire fiasco around and salvage the remainder of your career so that you are remembered as the person and the winner that you believe you are; that many of us believe you are. We want to be right. We want you to do right.
amen
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