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Off topic a bit. Today’s NYTimes has an articles about JETS fans abd the meadowlands. Just outrageously funny. Seems like the Jets fans are looking for something to cheer about.

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

John Q
The link to where Curry said that is Espn.com, Chris Sheridan’s
” Isiah Headed for the Hot seat tuesday night at MSG.”

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

Post-up Prince!
That email to MSG reads like the PRINCE you are!
Thank you!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

The Knicks Winning streak starts here. Mark my words and cherish them as truth.

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

Boomann
I’m sorry I left you outof that roll call!
Your right, the knicks season starts tonight!
You and I are on record!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

Stephon Marbury is penciled in as the starting point guard for the Knicks on Tuesday night against the Warriors.

Marbury may miss Wednesday’s game due to the death of his aunt, but will start tonight. Isiah Thomas has obviously decided to move on from Marbury’s controversial exit from the team last week, and it’s still unclear whether Isiah gave him permission to leave or not. At this point, it really doesn’t matter

Terrible…just terrible.

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

starburyfan, how does your last post make any sense?

i fail to see the logic.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

second to last post i mean…#7

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Beware Stephen Jackson ! Beware Al Harrington! These guys have been Knick killers for as long as I can remember. If we don’t bring it tonight, they will steam roll us.

I want something to cheer about as a group instead of consoling ea/ other. Let’s Go Knicks !!!!!

I’m going to repeat “the season starts tonight” in my head 100 times til it sinks in.

GO NY GO NY GO !!!!!

By JohnQ on Nov 20, 2007

JQ

Yeah Stephen Jackson is back and better than ever.

I’m not expecting a win tonight. Good effort, but not necessarily a win. I don’t want Stephon back in the starting line up but I can’t argue against it either. I prefer Stephon at the SG position and not the PG. But that’s not a popular thought…obviously.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

“it was to humiliate him in front of the garden crowd”

Yeah, I don’t know how you could think Isiah “wants” that to happen.

I think Stephon is a dude who only plays “his best” with his back up against the wall. He needs to be challenged. He needs to have something to prove.

But that Isiah is thinking “I want Steph to be humiliated in front of the Garden crowd”…I don’t know about that. Sounds convoluted. For what? To accomplish what?

I can’t wait for the Knicks to win for nothing less than getting the conversation here back to basketball. This soap opera, mind-reader writing notoriously attributed to the NYC MSM is getting contagious. There’s too little information being put out and too little analysis of the games. All that’s left to discuss is the psychology of the coach and players.

That’s the circus.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

The Knicks should wind tonight just to make Stryfan get over his depression.

Marbury played some nice defense against clippers and Sacramento. Not so much against Denver. IMO, he should not be put back in the starting line-up just yet, simply as a result of his reaction to being benched. I think the idea was to bench Marbury and Curry. It wasn’t supposed to get out of hand. Is Isiah being dictated to from high-up that he should put Marbs back in or he is still just toying with peoples egos?

All the same, the team needs to win tonight

LGK

By Jazz on Nov 20, 2007

From NBA.com
The point guard said Thomas told him at Tuesday’s morning shootaround he would be back in the starting lineup for this game.

“I’m excited about playing always, and to be able to come back home and start and get back into the flow of things is always a good thing,” Marbury said.

From DailyNews
Marbury, however, is still upset about the demotion and when asked about the entire episode, said, “To be honest, not a whole lot of good has come out of this.”

“The pen is Mightier than the Sword” - Edward Bulwer-Lytton

By Jazz on Nov 20, 2007

It doesn’t make sense to put Marbury back in the starting lineup!
If he does get booed it’s not like he doesn’t deserve it!
Maybe it’s his last game as a Knick????
Who knows, I agree that we need a Win to get back to Hoop
talk! Ken Berger has an interesting trade senario!
We take on two bad contracts from the kings and they throw in Artest!
Yeah, right!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

“It’s been difficult, but at the same time I’m weathering the storm,” Marbury said. “I had two deaths in my family, so coping with that and trying to continue to maintain as far as what we have to do on the basketball court has been a little bit different as well. So I’ve made some adjustments.”

His aunt’s death may have been the reason Marbury was gone before he could be interviewed after practice Monday. There was a report the whole team was kicked out of that practice, but Knicks spokesman Jonathan Supranowitz called it an “erroneous report” and Thomas said he hadn’t done that since sometime last season.

By Jazz on Nov 20, 2007

Forgot to include link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21900881/

By Jazz on Nov 20, 2007

Stephon being perceived as the scapegoat to the Knicks bad start is NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ISIAH

What about Isiah wanting Stephon to be a scapegoat makes sense?

Steph lives next door to him
Steph is considered a friend
Steph was his first big trade
Steph was involved in the trial
Steph’s contract is the team’s biggest
Steph’s been in NY almost as long as Isiah
Steph’s not an expiring contract
Steph’s not dirt old
Steph’s not eligible for medical retirement
Steph’s not easily traded
Steph’s not a cheap buyout candidate

Why would Stephon “the scapegoat” be a “good thing” FOR ISIAH?

The NYC MSM is wrong. They’re being provocative.

They hardly ever make sense.

When do they make sense? When they report the facts. Outside of that, their agendas habitually cloud their views.

One last question for the day before I skip til the game:

After the Zach trade, why is it that some folks wanted to trade Lee for Artest?
Do you think they don’t like Lee? Or maybe they recognized the holes in the Knicks roster?

****
I would -without apology- take a break from the Knicks if Isiah were fired. I don’t root for the Knicks because my favorite colors are Orange and Blue or because I’m nostalgic of past Knick teams. I rooted, stuck up for, educated others and bashed Bulls fans throughout the 90’s Knicks era. I loved their spirit, their toughness, tenacity, workman attitude…I wasn’t in love with their “winning culture”…I wasn’t in love with the team because they won. I loved following the team cuz they weren’t the most athletic, the highest jumping, the best jumpshooting or the most “nice” bunch of guys. They were operating in the harshest media conditions, they were brash, rude, rough and tumble and Ewing was surrounded by CBA over-achievers and defensive specialists.

They were also veterans.

Isiah doesn’t have a team of veterans. What he does have is the type of roster that plays hard for him. They’re young. Improving. Yet losing.

If they fire Isiah here, I will have to take a break until I know FOR SURE that this isn’t Indiana all over again. Someone even wrote about Carlisle and Walsh coming here? Insane. Is that what we’re doing here now?

What has happened in Indiana?

New coach takes old team a bit further than the previous coach, Isiah, and then for years, those players are replaced by older, more respected vets, who over time suck the culture of young developing talent. It went from a player’s coach atmosphere to a more restricted atmosphere. Indiana isn’t better for it.

Larry Bird killed Indiana because he didn’t like Isiah. The players revolted and were slowly let go, traded…

If Isiah goes, the turnover won’t be immediate but its eventual. Isiah goes, the contracts don’t all of a sudden become easier to let go of. As a Knick fan, I’m not ready for another dismantling period. As a Knick fan, I’m tired of Dolan having to please the NY press. In MY opinion, Isiah’s done a fine job getting the roster to the point it is in. Because I think he did a good job of putting together A DECENT team (not great!) under such tough circumstances, AND with the work ethic of him and his staff, I’m sure he will right the ship. I think he deserves a shot at developing this team and continue building a contender. I don’t think he needs just a year to build a contender. He’s won everywhere he’s been. He’s drafted young talent. He’s coached young developing ALL STAR talent BEFORE.

And his latest acquisition was Zach Randolph. What’s everyone’s problem? Losses? Look around, everyone’s losing.

With time, understanding and some long overdue patience, the Knicks will not only be a winning team but a franchise with a culture…AN IDENTITY. They don’t have one yet. If I had to describe their on-the-floor identity, it would be: tough, young, long, athletic, offensive minded, fast but inexperienced because our best player’s are far from their prime.

I’m tired of the Knicks being the victim of the NYC media’s culture. The team had to rebuild. It has been rebuilt. Now, let the HALL OF FAME POINT GUARD coach, instill his system, develop his young guys and continue acquiring players he thinks will help the team. We got Zach Randolph and FJones for sh!t.

What’s everyone’s problem? The drama? Are you kidding? Is it that bad?

I’m just not ready for the team to be knocked down again. Isiah IS NOT what is holding the team back. The team needs time (and space to breathe) to develop it’s character and chemistry. You take Isiah out and you take away the team’s BEST LEADER!!!!

I’m audi til game time. Gotta buy paint the Home Depot and do some wood cutting.

PS. GS is a problem. Don’t sleep. Stephen Jackson has just gotten back. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Barf,

You are also a GS fan, yes ? Tonite should be fun for you.

By JohnQ on Nov 20, 2007

Yeah, I’m a GS fan but I’m a NY’er.

I’m rooting for my Knicks. But at the same time, I won’t be surprised if GS wins. They present match up problems.

Curry doesn’t have someone he matches up well with. Biedrins is quicker and more of a PF playing Center. Curry doesn’t do well against the likes of PF’s masquerading as Centers. Curry gets called like Shaq in his prime and smaller defenders always get the benefit of the doubt in Stern’s NBA. I would have liked to see Curry scratched out of the starting lineup for this game. But the politics of starting lineups doesn’t allow coaches (by coaches I really mean ONLY I.T. in NY) to field different lineups according to matchups. I hear DJ Mbenga was just signed after being waived by Dallas. Nellie is familiar with Mbenga’s game (maybe he’s the reason DJ is in the league) and likes his mobility.

Stephen Jackson on Zach is a killer matchup. I’m stumped thinking about how ZBo can overcome it. Jacks is always playing his hardest. He’s another Artest. outside shot, tough defense, veteran savvy and the willingness to be the biggest asshole on the floor which translates to frustrating his opponents (see: Nowitzki circa last year in the playoffs). They have Brandan Wright off the bench which will allow Zach to have some successful post possessions but his length and speed won’t make it easy either.

MBarnes is out tonight according to one of the articles provided earlier. That means Al Harrington will be starting. If he’s still playing like he was playing last year, QRich shoul dbe able to handle him. He likes to hang out in the perimeter. But if he is playing like he was rumored to be playing during the preseason camp, he may be the Warriors best frontcourt player. He was said to be rebounding, shooting lights out and blocking shots on the perimeter. We need a healthy Balkman and a sharpshooting QRich to help ease the pressure on our bigs.

Azubuike is nice. He’s a lot like the ex-Blazer backing up Bowen…whose name skips my memory, only younger. He’s big, strong, solid but streaky shooter and defensive minded. Nellie’s been impressed with his hustle and non stop effort which earned him a starter’s spot while Ellis was out. Ellis will be backing him as will a raw Bellinelli.

BDavis is the truth. Steph can’t hang with him.

What’s our only shot at winning?

Dictating the tempo from start to finish. If GS lulls this team into running with them, it’s a wrap. If JCraw turns into JChuck and starts heaving shots early in the shot clock, it’s a wrap. We need to establish the post presence all game and hit the mid range shots. GS doesn’t have big leapers or strong shot blockers. I do not anticipate seeing Mbenga much (who is a shot blocker) and Biedrins will block a shot from drives and penetration more than he will in the post. Camby was killing our guys in the post on Saturday. It was painful to watch.

Outside of our guards playing a very slowed down game, we lose. Plain and simple. Sorry to have to say it. There’s a small margin for error with GS and this team doesn’t have the execution to flat-out, out “up and down” the Warriors. Our biggest strength is our bigs in the post and rebounding. That is also the Warriors biggest weaknesses. But when one team is led by Stephon, JCraw and Curry and the other is led by Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson….

for me, toughness in the leaders prevail. The leaders who are able to dictate the pace of the game and get their team’s “on the same page” will always win.

Blame it on the team’s struggle with consistency…not on Isiah trying to get Stephon booed out of the Garden.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

“Take a step forward lads - it’ll be easier that way.”
Robert Erskine Childers, to his firing squad

How about you show some heart and play for something besides your bank accounts?How about you play for the guys on your team and not only for yourselves?You should know by now that you can’t get caught up worrying about what is out of your hands.What’s done is over and done.Move on.IT’s situation is his own,he’s a man and will deal with it.Move on, or curl up and die.That’s the bottom line.What are you gonna do?The game really isn’t all that complicated.Stay in front of your man, help on defense, rebound, run, share the ball, and find the open man.It’s the same game you’ve, hopefully, been playing all your lives.Truth is, Nate is proving to be the biggest man on the squad in many ways.Keep playing within yourself young man!Write now, and I can’t believe I’m saying this,you are my most valuable Knick.You can’t measure true heart with a ruler or a scale!Gentlemen, our Knick lurkers, I’ll say it again to make sure you heard it clearly.

“Take a step forward lads - it’ll be easier that way.”
Robert Erskine Childers, to his firing squad

Gut check time,LGK.

By Tman on Nov 20, 2007

IMO, IT knows more basketball than anyone at News, Post, Day and the NYK blogs combined. Second guessing what he sees in practice regularly has becoming comical. The fans are starting to believe too much in their press clippings as “the most knowledgeable fans”. Puh-Leeeeze!

KFLL

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

whats been going on for years?

By barf on Nov 20, 2007

A moment of clarity

I’ve been visiting a few other boards and reading the comments of these supposed to be Knick fans and they have been duped by the media. I’ve never seen a group of fans turn as quickly as Knick fans have on Isiah. The people are no longer concentrating on what happens on the court like double over-time games and close finishes except for in that Denver game and this was all while Stpeh and Zach were in and out of the lineup. It’s much more then a witch hunt it’s become a public day lynching. They are having fun by writing about the Knick problems and I’m pissed about it. New Jersey, Chicago and Miami all have gotten off to slow starts and these were suppose to be three of the better teams but their records in this early part of the season mirrors the Knicks. Where are the people questioning John Paxson, Scott Skiles, Lawerence Frank and Pat Riley? Where is the media backlash? Not to mention we are only like 9 games into a 82 game season. I’m not going to go on with my Knicks Defense but I will say this……Ride or Die!!

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

Johm Q
Did you find that Article where Curry stated the
media has gone crazy and it’s affecting the knicks play?

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

BARF
Take away your name at the Bottom of your post@ # 23,
and I’d swear I was reading Jeff Van Gundy!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

booman says
“They are having fun by writing about the Knick problems and I’m pissed about it. New Jersey, Chicago and Miami all have gotten off to slow starts and these were suppose to be three of the better teams but their records in this early part of the season mirrors the Knicks. Where are the people questioning John Paxson, Scott Skiles, Lawerence Frank and Pat Riley? Where is the media backlash? Not to mention we are only like 9 games into a 82 game season.”

Amen brother…

I say we keep Isiah and let him do what he can do.

It would be idiotic to fire him after only 9 games in the season.

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

I do love that Warriors clip. Some of the best voice cracking in cinema history.

By Minnesota Knicks Fan on Nov 20, 2007

How do you get the attention of a player who is making $20 million per year, the best talent on your team? You bench him. Marbury was not listening to his coach. He doesn’t stay with the play. He isn’t always patient with the post players and sometimes he takes too long to feed the post, causing the bigs to have to exert a lot of energy to fight of the defendant before receiving the ball.

The benching was purely a reaction to Marbury’s inattention to the last few minutes of the game.

If a coach cannot bench any of his players that does not listen, he might as well retire.

Phil Jackson never benched Jordan when he broke a play off BECAUSE HE ALWAYS WON. If Marbury wins, I’m sure he will receive more latitude.

Star players deserve discipline too.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

Yeah I saw that Peace. Thanks for the hook up. Now how do we get them not to watch TV, listen to the radio, or read the papers for the next 72 games ??? lol.

By JohnQ on Nov 20, 2007

The benching was purely a reaction to Marbury’s inattention to the last few minutes of the game in Miami.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

I don’t think it was only the Miami game that got him benched. I think it was the fact that he has been thoroughly outplayed by the opposing PG almost every game. Crawford should be on notice next !

By JohnQ on Nov 20, 2007

I’m really not feeling this Marbury cat anymore. He needs a one way ticket out of town.

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

True. I say Fred Jones should enter for Craw at the first traveling turnover.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

peace

when it comes to the knick’s slow start, i feel like jvg looks. racoon eyed, bald and STRESSED OUT.

as a fan, i’m as hard a worker as jvg is a coach. but i dont let the media pluck my expectations. i dont think the knicks’ start is a reflection of bad coaching or bad roster management.

it just served as a wake up call to ll the fans that thought the knicks were further along than they really are. i didnt want artest cuz i think he’s cute and cuddly. i thought he would fill a need. until the team’s needs are filled, we will be subject to inconsistent, unpredictable performances.

and for me, threatening to gt rid of the coach is more harmful than it is helpful. actually firing isiah would be catastrophic.

but we will all soon see soon enough. and some of us will have more fun than others rubbing each others face in it. mark my words.

this is why i like to follow alot of different teams. when one is having a rough spell, i follow others. there are too many games to that are left to play and this team is still too young to think they are going to be the pistons…or the rockets…

i think some of us were more delusional than optimistic.

By barf on Nov 20, 2007

barf says
“and for me, threatening to gt rid of the coach is more harmful than it is helpful. actually firing isiah would be catastrophic.

but we will all soon see soon enough. and some of us will have more fun than others rubbing each others face in it. mark my words.”

Amen brother

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

So what’s the starting lineup? Is Q at the 3?

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

KNEE-DEEP (1 + 1 = 3),

Pat Riley has gone public and stated that maybe SHAQ should go to the bench and not start.-How Manipulative
Scott Skiles has taken Ben Gordon out of the starting lineup, and he is now coming off the bench behind Chris
Duhon-What a Snake. Coaches will often tinker w/ their line-ups early in the season. Only in New York
where the MSM smells blood, and the naive follow, does Zeke get labeled as Manipulative for a line-up
change. I believe that it is rude to insult a man in his house, but it is a sign of love to inform
the uninformed. KNEE-DEEP it appears that you are allowing your EMOTIONS to keep you from being rational.
You have bought in to the MSM-Soup. CBA? What’s next JFK,MLK,RFK, BALCO? Was Zeke the killer and not OJ?
You are KNEE-DEEP in the BS.

@BARF- Great analysis, you have missed your calling. If I could add, Jerry Sloan wrote the book on
how to beat GS in the play-offs. Make them play D for 17-18 seconds and they will quit and give
you a lay-up. Do not try and run n gun w/ them. Pound it inside. Great to see someone talking about
“On the Court”. IT IS GETTING WACKY IN HERE.

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

Since people are getting down with some serious quotes, here’s a couple!

Leadership is a combination of Strategy and Character,
If you must be without one be without the Strategy. GEN Schwarzkoph

An Army of Sheep Led by a Lion would defeat an Army of lions Led by a Sheep. Unknown

Leaders who win the respect of others are the ones who deliver more than they promise,
not the ones who promise more than they deliver. Mark Clement

Now, What does this all mean? Hell if I know, it sounds impressive though! lol

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

Leaders who win the respect of others are the ones who deliver more than they promise,
not the ones who promise more than they deliver. Mark Clement

Amen Brother

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

Marbury acknowledged his actions contributed to an 0-4 road trip, but he indicated there was no intention to hurt teammates.

“Of course, it had something to do with it, but this was a personal issue,” he said. “This wasn’t between myself and my teammates. It was between Isiah and myself.”

This is the reason I want Marbury gone. If he can’t notice that he through his teammates under the bus with his actions and not just Isiah then he is truly delusional. How can you leave your team who you are a captian for and then turn around and say this wasn’t between me and my teammates? That is an incredibly stupid statement to make.

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

Booman,

You hit the nail on the head man. Marbury is all about ME and ME alone. If someone has that attitude, EVERYTHING is a personal issue. Me-bury aint no rhodes scholar either.

By JohnQ on Nov 20, 2007

thks states, there’s still time for tnt to come calling so that i can break down my two fav teams. other than those two, i’m outta luck. haha

i will say that i’m bummed steph is starting again. i thought mardy would see much more development time this year. i kinda like steph coming off the bench as a sg. i thought it would come in handy if jcraw was ever to be benched. marbury for jcraw…where marbury was at the starting sg is yet another lineup that can be used against teams that are smaller up front.

if isiah can’t change the starting lineup without fear of being unjustly ridiculed then whats the point of having so much depth?

if the media is going to cry for player’s minutes then why have such a deep team?

depth means limited minutes across the board.

isiah tried an 8 man rotation. he tried a 10 man rotation. he’s had an awol, a grievance leave, a few injuries and the media spends days in between games churning soap-opera-like speculations into articles. and fans gobble it up like these beat writers are professional psychologists…as if berman and isola, despite the limited access they complain about, KNOW WHAT ISIAH IS THINKING.

that’s what i find funny.

i’m no loyalist. i’m just a fan that reme.bers what used to be the roster, ished for it to change, celebrated when isiah made changes and is now happy with the roster.

in the spirit of fairness i will say that i DO NOT THINK IT IS A GREAT ROSTER but…from where this roster was… i like the direction it is headed.

everyone complains about how long this team was losing and how long it took to get to this point, but THERE IS STILL A WAYS TO GO.

you can’t take a roster as bad as the knicks were and change it in one fell swoop. it takes time players turn to other players who turn to more players. it takes time to develop your youth to a point where they are valuable enough to OTHER GM’S…so you can get back all star talent in return.

frye turned to zbo…

thats my proof.

isiah isnt scared to makes trades, draw up crazy looking plays with .2 seconds left in the game, cut young players like dnich, shake up the starting lineup or confront sharpton and vivian stringer…

what more do you, as fans, want? we have one of the toughest, tried and tested, men in the nba.

a hall of fame PG, a player’s coach, an undeniable drafter of talent, a developed of young talent…

and everyone hates him!

this is what its all about. to me…as a nyer, this is what its all about.

they say its impossible to rebuild in ny and isiah is on the verge to prove them all wrong. and there are some of us complaining about “the circus”…please.

when riley was here, it was a circus too. and they made it to the playoffs, yes, but they lost. to a one man gang too in chicago. i remember so you can’t tell me that i’m off. and the same media, the same reporters called for ewing’s head…after years of service.

you can’t tell me this is any different. if you think the public outcry was wrong then, then whats the difference now?

wins? that didnt save ewing.

By barf on Nov 20, 2007

Barf,

Keep preaching my brotha. I’m listening.

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

KNEE-DEEP,

I will focus on what happens on the the court, and allow you to read minds, speculate on decisions,
and imitate the MSM. It is your ball and your rules. I am not familar w/ this METRO-SEXUAL SHYT,
so I apologize if you were offended.

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

Defenders,

IT’S GETTING HOT IN HERE!

I’m going to lay low on the comments today.

I’m too pumped up for this game, WE HAVE TO WIN! REPEAT…WE HAVE TO WIN!

There will be some heads rolling if we can’t beat GS at home…..which is not easy. They are good.

I’m a Knicks fan….IT second, but he’s the man now because he controls my Knicks.

Need a big win tonite.

Steady,BARF,Cooley,Peaceman,Boomann,DJV,Lives,Starburyfan,KnicksD,Statesman,HarleminMD,Jazz,St_George,Syd,Minnesotaknicksfan, You guys play nice.Let’s put all this energy into a Knicks win!

By D L T Knicks on Nov 20, 2007

thks booman…the line at home depot is a bitch. plenty of time to catch up here.

By barf on Nov 20, 2007

i’ll be passing the collection plate in a few moments, so if the spirit of the lawd thomas moves you…please give until the spirit is soothed.

By barf on Nov 20, 2007

2 hours before game time.

These are my 2 wishes for the night:
1. QRich to start playing on the offensive side and sure up the #3 spot.
2. Perimeter Defense

If I can get these wishes the Knicks will win tonight easily

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

David Loves Those Knicks and the guy running in the Garden. When they’re gone, WE will be here and WE will remember.

You hit da nail on da head Be A Real Fan.

Abbreviations will return @ gametime.

Defenders, don’t let the MSM and the unexpected trolls that may come make us eat our innards. Peace at last.

KFLL

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

Steady

Tu’ eres el hombre!

By D L T Knicks on Nov 20, 2007

APB for African!
Is it too “kissy, kissy” in here Now? lol

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

Geico sells Boo insurance!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

D L T Knicks #55 - You got it. Late meeting (6:00pm, but we are now waiting on pizza) at the office so will be in rooting from Sixth av & 23rd tonite, an Irish bar (Limirick House) a friend owns. One great game I watch there was the 52 pointer by Crawford; So let something cool happens again. Go Knicks

By Syd on Nov 20, 2007

Baron Davis is the truth! Well put BARF.
We stop him and we cut the head off the Warriors!
Lets see if Steph has any redemption tonight?
Tonight is his chance to put a glove on Davis!
Maybe that is why Zeke is giving him this start?
This Warrior team is dangerous, but it should be
a Win for us at the Garden! If not we should start a brawl,
as we seem to go on a winning streak after!…. Just kidding!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

I’m with Peace on this one. If we get down by a lot we should send in Wilson Chandler to punch somebody in the face. And the person who should get the lick in the face is no one other then Stephen Jackson. He’ll start knocking out people in the front row and distract the writers for a few days.

By boomann on Nov 20, 2007

Hate to be a pessimist, but I’d like to think I’m more realistic…

If Steph doesn’t lace em’ up tonight, and play the kinda “d” he played last year on Ray Allen in the Knick win against Seattle….

Baron Davis is gonna embarrass him!!!

and the crowd will be unmerciful….

and you just might see a grown man cry on the court.

The Knicks need to win tonight.

Fugg all the talk…all the speculation….all the pseudo analysis…

No sense in rehashing what’s already been said a million times in here.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Damn, Stephen Jackson has had enough trouble for a few years. He doesn’t need for Chandler to “Collin-ize” him. Unlike Yelo Melo, Jacks ain’t backtracking after he cold cocks someone. Remember Jacks during the ?

After watching the start of it, it’s funny how no one ever mentions how uncontrollable Ben Wallace and Rasheed were and how their over-reactions to a very basic hard foul, didn’t allow the situation to calm down…I’m not advocating players to pound on fans…but after a few years and knowing how the dude who threw the cup of beer Artest is a violent drunk and drunk driver…I kind of see how things can escalate. Too bad Artest didn’t clock the right guy.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Damn, Stephen Jackson has had enough trouble for a few years. He doesn’t need for Chandler to “Collin-ize” him. Unlike Yelo Melo, Jacks ain’t backtracking after he cold cocks someone. Remember Jacks during the Malice at the Palace?

After watching the start of it, it’s funny how no one ever mentions how uncontrollable Ben Wallace and Rasheed were and how their over-reactions to a very basic hard foul, didn’t allow the situation to calm down…I’m not advocating players to pound on fans…but after a few years and knowing how the dude who threw the cup of beer Artest is a violent drunk and drunk driver…I kind of see how things can escalate. Too bad Artest didn’t clock the right guy.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Trevor Ariza traded to the Lakers for Brian Cook

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6121

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

Good find St_George! And who drafted Trevor? He’s now going back to Cali, to Cali, to Cali. One less threat in the East.

KFLL

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

woah!

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

good trade for both teams

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I’s gotta ’spicion sum’n sum’n fenna go down in da NBA.
Maybe Peaceman is feelin’ it too (metro).

KFLL

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

pregame show’s starting.

steady, you think so? lakers have an extra roster spot open….something could be cooking…

chicago you think?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

aren’t Maurice Evans and Keith Bogans the same player?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Kwame is hurt in LA and they need a big. Trevor could be the Pippen piece in the triangle.

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

I agree with bronxboy in Md.

This game is crucial for everyone’s mental health. If the team cannot get up their intensity, energy and concentration for this game, then it is unlikely that any incentive can ever motivate the players currently assembled. I expect a concerted and sustained effort from start to finish. I can tolerate a loss, but not a half-hearted commitment. This is a chance for many players to redeem themselves and for the team itself to assert some pride. If not now, when? LGK

By Post - up Prince on Nov 20, 2007

listening to these comments made by isiah, you wonder why reporters have to make up so much extra garbage. they don’t report what was said to them during interview…they write articles about whatever garbage will make the soap opera more believable. instead of supporting and reporting what the coaching staff and isiah are trying to instill in the players, they go off on tangents to provoke controversy. so, as a fan, you shouldn’t complain how much of a circus the knicks are. what they officially “put out” is much like any other team. the problem is, they are spineless reporters using “sources” (lawd knows who they are) to churn up whatever the latest plotline is.

isiah said about stephon(paraphrasing):” last year, we were talking about stephon being the best defender and often i would put him on the opponent’s best scorer…at the beginning of this year, we thought stephon, defensively, would give us more”

so what about that statement says that stephon is the reason the knicks are losing games?

he’s only been quoted as saying “from the PG position, we need leadership and defense”

where’s all this other garbage coming from and why is it infiltrating the knicksdefense walls?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Steady, if they need a big then why trade Cook?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I’m watching Clyde interview Steph…..man I don’t like Steph’s body language.

He can’t give a straight answer to a question.

You wonder if this kid is gonna ever get it!!

I love Zeke’s take on what he expects out of his leaders and those he holds accountable.

Either you bend or you break!!

I don’t see no “bendin” in Steph.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Evans is Bogans lite–check the coins. GMs always thinking about resignability.

For the scholars/scholar fans here: IT made a new word today almost akin to “youthier”. IT believes in the “uncomfortableness” of players. The MSM took it down hook-line-&-sinker with no sic or “”. Keep feeding them garbageness (a la Anti-) Zeke.

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

other than the games at Phoenix and Denver, I can’t sit here and say that the team has given half hearted effort Prince.

Denver smashed us without any mercy, so there are no excuses or reasons other than the Knicks were not the better team that night. And the Phoenix game, we were stupid short handed. Other than that, they’ve been in every game. The losses were a combination of bad defense in the fourth (I’m thinking Miami and Sac) and great offensive performances by the opponent (LBJ comes to mind)…not to mention the shorthandedness.

Yes, they should overcome any challenge but no its not hard to understand why these Knicks have lost.

Some of you guys were predicting 50 wins easy. This rough start is YOUR reality check.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

bxboy, Steph’s never going to get it. Stop holding your breath,

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

You Gentle Defenders Being Not So Gentle But Really On Point,

I’m loving it. BARF that was one helluva breakdown and I am scared of SJ and SM. SJ for the reasons you stated and SM because he cannot keep up with Baron Davis, the real deal. This game will also be about heart and effort. How long before Zeke sits Curry down and brings in Jared Jeffries. Curry will just be in the way. He will not even show half the time on the Pick and Roll. Sit Curry down. Throw different guards at Baron. Stay with your assignments. This will be a tough but winnable game.

States and KnickDefense, good arguments on both sides. Isiah has done a decent job of putting his team in postion to win. I think he can do a better job. We have seen little sign of team (or unit) that blew teams away, usually when we were in double digit deficits (DDD). Where is that fast break combination that can put games away.

KnickDefense, I do agree with those who don’t see any malice in starting Marbury tonight. Isiah has too much to worry about to be malicious towards Steph and starting him is certainly not a punishment. Boos aren’t sh*t. Marbury is going to get booed a lot whether he starts or subs. The initial boos will be shorter if he starts and less humilitating. If he hustles and puts us in a postion to win, the Boos will stop until Saturday. Isiah needs to win. Steph is delusional and confused. One minute he says the benching has him refocused and the next minute he claims that the whole episode has done no good. Then he says although the incident impacted the team, it was between him and the coach. I am on record as being very supportive of the Knick guard, but his actions/reactions are unsupportable.

Isiah did what he should have done. To hell with how much money you make. Auerbach, Jackson, Popovich and all the great coaches challenged their stars to maintain control of their team and to show that no one was immune to criticism. Isiah was only able to do it because he was the coach and GM. Starbury was flat out wrong. The only facts I need to know is that an apology to his teammates was necessary and he seems to have blown that. I will write letters to the Knicks to follow-up on those wonderful missives from O&B, Peaceman and Post-up Prince (just gorgeous) but I will also write letters for this blog to Stephen, Curry and Jamal on how to conduct themselves as grown men, leaders, basketball players in the Mecca with fans hungry for their success, not demise. I support your right to be critical, very critical of Zeke and you know I will get on him when I thik he is wrong, but in this instance he was gutsy to sit down his star guard despite the alleged extortion attempt, the $42 million dollar salary and the fact that he is still the Knicks best chance to win until a good trade is made. I support your right, but I exercise mine to disagree. Steph needs to take that step forward and grow into the man he sees himself as. Hell, if he can apologize to his wife on television for getting his penis a little wet, he can stand up and face his teammates, can’t he.

Admittedly, I am in an emotional place where a win is the only thing acceptable to me. I don’t care about the reasons or excuses. I don’t want to hear about bad calls, no calls, double dribbles or palming.

TIME FOR TALK TO WALK, TO WALK THE TALK AND PLAY TO WIN. JUST WIN BABY. LGK

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

Conversely, I love what I’m seeing and hearing from N8.

The kid is coming around….he maturing before our eyes.

Isiah’s patience with him will be rewarded. N8 will run through a wall for him.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Bronx, Stephon is the best PG on the team and I’m going with the current coach/President. We have two years left with him unless he gets packaged. We will see a drop-off at the point play if IT just lets them play. He needs to spoon feed them a la Riley so that they do the right thing.

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

Barf, I never was..holding my breath, that is.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

bxboy, Steph bothers me. Never more than last week though. I thought he was over his immaturity. I thought that his finding religion was a sign of things to come. Mainly, his keeping his mouth shut.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

@ Barf…

“Some of you guys were predicting 50 wins easy. This rough start is YOUR reality check.”

Not mine!

I was damn near tarred and feathered when I predicted 43-45 wins. You can check the pre-season posts.

Now I’m wondering if I wasn’t being over optimistic!!

I’m still hopeful. We gotta turn it around..starting tonight!!

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

i’m there with you, 45-47 wins. But 50? Thats more than 15 games improvement. Wow!

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

bxboy, just saw the body language…damn, i agree.

i think the word is insincere.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

BARF, Bronx,
I don’t think we know the full scoop of how things went down over the benching. The AWOL thing is not completely kosher to me considering the MSM penchant for startin’ sum’n sum’n where there ain’t nuhfin’.

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

Steady, I dont doubt the AWOL thing was correctly relayed…but not the intentions behind it. Thats the thing that is real murky. The whole Steph as a scapegoat thing makes no sense to me. If he sh!ts on Steph, he’s sh!tting on himself.

Just heard how much Steph got booooooed. Not surprising at all. He deserves every last boo for abandoning his team.

And the thing about how it wasn’t against his team but against Isiah, was ABS. He knows better than that.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Steph’s getting booed everytime he touches the ball. Can’t say I blame them

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

ZBo looks UP…nice layup off the glass.

Nice pass from Steph to Curry for a bang.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

QRich is on Stephen Jackson, ZBO on Harrington. Thats a good thing

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Jackson on Curry, much like Artest was guarding/hacking Curry and not getting calls. Look for that.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

They should boo Steph from now on, he’s playing with focus.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

They aren’t using Biedrins to guard Curry. Curry should be killing them tonight if he stays out of foul trouble.

QRich is still off. Take him out early please.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Damn they should make Qrich come off the bench and start chandler.

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

DLee spell for Q wit da quickness

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

Curry and Randolph all the scoring. Guys are staying in character.

By Steady on Nov 20, 2007

I like the pace to the game so far. Every possession is going into the post. Thats what they need to keep doing. Do not allow Curry pick up any silly fouls because he is in bad position.

JCraw with a wide open mid range j.

The Knicks are gonna have a hard time stopping them. But if they can outlast them on offense, the Warriors will be in foul trouble.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

BD is the man. Thats not news.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Oh yea, I forgot to mention Pietrus comes off the bench. He’s a lot like Al Harrington the way Nellie uses him.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

jackson takes dlee off the dribble for the and-1. DLee can’t play the swing position in this game. Bad move. GS is the reason DLee can’t be a SF yet.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

We can’t go small with GS. They have 3 different small lineups, we barely have one.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Monte Ellis coming in the game…scary.

They’re gonna really turn it up now.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

bxboy, my thoughts exactly.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

We can definitely smash them in the paint. We should hold off using Curry and ZBo in the first half and make sure they don’t get in foul trouble…also it doesn’t allow GS to adjust their defense to our bigs.

Here’s to hoping that our second team can turn it up some and stay on the floor (conversely, keep our bigs off).

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

i love this second team…the future of the knicks

thanks isiah…

love,
a loyalist
hahaha

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

jackson looks rusty.

good

31-24 11 minutes in the 2nd

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

qrich looks good on the second team.

he may have found a new home

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

It’s fool’ gold to try and run we these guys. Slow it down & pound inside, control the tempo.

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

The thing about Marbury is that when his head is on straight, and he’s ballin’ like he knows how….

NOBODY’S better.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

David Lee is stinking up the place!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

big boys back in…i hope they can close out the quarter with a big run

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

35-30 GS 8:43 left, 2nd quarter

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

steph looked like he wanted to take over for a few possessions. Dumped the ball into DLee at the free throw line and DLee wanted to get closer. DANGIT! Clyde said it right, shoot the baby jumper DLEE!!!

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Oakley: “When i was here, it was no nonsense.”

HAHAHA

Who you trying to kid Oak?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

no nonsense on the floor maybe…but the 90’s knicks had their fair share of nonsense…

come to think of it, even on the floor…headbutts, fights

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

#

The thing about Marbury is that when his head is on straight, and he’s ballin’ like he knows how….

NOBODY’S better.

Comment by bronxboy in Md — November 20, 2007 @ 8:18 pm

AND ONE WITH AS WELL

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Hey where’s Balkman

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

Did yall see Craw in Curry’s face before Zach’s freethrows???

Good on ya, Craw!!

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Balkmam went AWOL

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Yet another small lineup for GS with Bellinelli.

Mbenga is in too.

Marbury strong to the hole.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Is it me or does it seem as though Zeke has annointed Crawford as the leader of this team?

Not a bad choice, if so.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

lol @ Anti..

say it ain’t so….lol..

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

JCraw seems to be the glue guy…the guy everyone likes.

ZBo is the best player though.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

right on cue, zbo with the magnet hands for the bucket and the freebie.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Anti:

Balkmam went AWOL

Aaww sheeet

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

47-43 4 minutes to go in the second

be3fore the pick and roll kills us..49 43 gs

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Somebody has got to stop Baron Davis tonight. 17 points already!

By St_George on Nov 20, 2007

Get collins the hell out! I want channdler

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Knicks Defense (not this site) is horrendous!!!!

Really.

Knicks won’t never be a good team with out solid defense. At least semblance of some Defense.

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

And the Garden Crowd is dead quiet on calling out DEFENSE—but say FIRE ISIAH—ALOUD!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Pound the ball inside, slow down the tempo. Playing this pace will register another lost. What does
N8 offer?

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

Man, I sincerely hope the Knicks can turn it around in the second half.

Zeke ain’t perfect, but damn if he deserves this.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

The Knicks advantage is power and inside. Every trip down should be inside. Also JChuck has 4-turnovers,
Mardy has 3, this is unacceptable. We cna’t beat them at their game.

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

I’d like to see some Jeffries unless he’s hobbled.

Its in games like this one that make me wish we had a legit mobile shotblocker a la Sean Williams.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Collins really stunk it up in the second quarter. He’s gonna see his name in the papers tomorrow for all the wrong reasons. But in his defense, he’s got to work out the kinks in his game. He’s got to have a shot at regaining the confidence he had at the end of the last season.

I hope DLee gets some burn the second half with that second team lineup…Nate, JCraw, QRich, DLee, Zbo

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I would just like a point who can control the tempo, and a guard that ccan play D. A center
who is focused from the beginning of the game would not hurt.

Peace & Blessings

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

2 of JCraw’s TO’s were off offensive fouls

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

No motion on the offense. People just standing around. What a garbage start to the third.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

weak ass lets go knicks chant

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

breen’s trying to get on zbo cuz he was frustrated with the no foul call.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I’m out with family,
Whats the score? It don’t look good!

By Peaceman on Nov 20, 2007

62-51, GS

and its not good.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Isiah looks hot on the bench (nohomo)…hot as in pissed off

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Curry Curry Curry
Why does this man have 2 rebounds in the 3rd and Zach already has like 14?

Is there any explanation for that?

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

dvj, the game’s moving too fast for him on d.

nothing new

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

harrington has 4 fouls and biedrins has 3. mostly cuz of curry and randolph in the first qrtr.

stephon turned it on during the second quarter too for a hot second. only way to beat GS with this knicks team is pounding the post. any other strategy leads to too quick a pace to control gs.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

they’ve had two turnovers in a row but we havent taken advantage yet

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

biedrins and harington out for the next 5 minutes in the third…this is our shot to get closer and we blow it

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Zach needs to shut the fugg up and play ball…..

and quit dribbling so much.

They’re all tryna figure this thing out.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

We can’t even get a rebound…

Incredible.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

they’re tripling curry now.

randolph is frustrated. i called it though…stephen jackson took him out of his game. curry needed to dominate and didnt. and our second unit is useles against the warriors cuz they play at breakneck speeds all game.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

No Lee needs to get his ass in the right spot.
If not…let Zach know when someone is coming from the weaksie…

Damnit Lee

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

with qrich useless from three, fjones and qrich are basically the same player.

curry is still being called like shaq in his prime. he can’t even battle for position in this euro-nba league. knicks ball is dead in the new millenium.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Do you think Isiah has lost his team?

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

now i understand what shaq went through. the only way to have a big man nowadays is to have someone else dominate the ball long enough and well enough for your big man to get open.

we’re cooked if we don’t go to the hole more often and alternate that with the entry pass. they triple the entry pass and don’t even wait for curry to get position to converge on him. the weak ass guard play doesn’t make it easier.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I think so, Lives…

If they can’t respond in wake of the recent series of events, they won’t respond to anything….

other than perhaps a coaching change.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

curry’s got a fade away hook? what the hell is that?

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

The pressure is on and they are getting mad at each other. Zach yelling at Lee, but screwing up on the double teams. Are my eyes deceiving me? Marbury seems to be the best player on the floor for the Knicks.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

“lost the team”?

nah. I didn’t think NYK had much of a chance to win. They have one shot. And that’s using their big men. If they don’t do that, it’s a wrap.

If we start losing to teams we have legit chances to beat and don’t because of lethargic play, I might have to concede his losing of the team.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

JCraw stopped running on the fast break and Lee passed it to him anyway. Beyond the three point line.

Its hard to watch them not take advantage of GS’s mistakes.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Q with the DUNK

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

And you don’t think we had a “legit” shot at beating the GS AT HOME!!!

Yeah, we’re lowering our standards.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Nelly’s letting us get back in the game with this lineup.

But of course we blow it on defense. Curry’s hard to stomach on D. Same thing from last year.

And the funny thing is? He’s better than he was last year. Curry’s improved. But he’s still too slow to react and doesn’t use his body for nothing.

BFN

Big For Nothing

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Fire Isiah???

I don’t know, fire someone!!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Bronxboy, I agree.

I see a lack of effort and execution reminiscent of last year.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

NO PRIDE.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

bxboy. No, did they even win one game against a healthy GS last year?

This is the TYPE of team we have problems with.

Phoenix and GS.

Those are the teams we cannot beat.

Why?

Because the things we are best in, they are better at. They are the fast break teams and they have more experience playing that style.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

i figured it out curry is just a scared pussy!

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Lives, I tried to tell you earlier.

GS is not an automatic win.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

The Ax will be dropped tomorrow…believe it.

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

again curry is a pussy

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Its hard to win when you’re depending on Curry to win.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

BARF, I heard you, but you miss my point. It is not about an automatic win. It’s about not being an automatic loss and giving up over 20 turnovers to a team that doesn’t play defense. This is unconscionable.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

8-2 guys…cant wait to read the papers

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

How many times is Breen gonna say “largest lead of the game”?

Seems like he says it every five minutes….smh.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

The coach has to be responsible for why the Knicks are losing. MOTIVATION!!!!

If not him—who?

Can’t fire the players…and someone has to go!

Now the Knicks are are not looking like the Knicks I was glad to defend last year.

They deserve every boo they get tonight. And every bad press they receive.
I could see them losing, but at least show you are trying to play hard—and right now they’re not showing that.

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Curry (and the guards around him) couldn’t handle the tripling.

It’s hard to play the big man game against the Warriors. This is what happened to Dirk in the first round last year. They tried to post him and Nelly throws 3 swing men (his SG, SF, PF) in to triple and put their hands in the passing lanes or go for the strip. If you notice, each guy has a different reponsibility. One goes up high, another mid-level and the other guards against passes out of the triple.

Its great defense. You need A LOT OF MOTION on the offense to give your big man a better chance at passing out of the triple team.

GS is the truth. Don’t sleep.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Garbage minutes let chandler play!

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Who can play basketball in this circus? They are mentally beat right now. Booing from the start, booing all the first quarter. IT DOES AFFECT THE TEAM.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

I figured we could stem the tide till Christmas, at least……

Looks as if Zeke won’t make it past “Black Friday”.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

before I read your “they don’t play defense” I wrote a description of the kind of defense GS does play.

Its the same thing they did to Dallas.

How many teams in the NBA have a motion offense as busy as Utah?

Not many. If GS would have made it past them, they could have shocked the world.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

“Lives’,

I don’t know if Zeke has lost these guys, but other then Zach the team lacks heart. Also poor chemistry hurts.
Jimmy Dolan’s got a decision to make.

By STATESMAN on Nov 20, 2007

Harlem, what came first…

The booing or the bad play?

They could stop the booing if they just play with a little intelligence and most of all, HEART!!!

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Lives, I’m sorry, that 187 post was to you

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

I never said it was an automatic win. I said it is one of the games that the Knicks could win and I stand by that. It’s all about possessions. For a time GS’s possessions were not only limited they were missing shots and we were still not scoring. Yhe Knicks have a bad habit of playing down to their opponent. 24 turnovers is ridiculous. ZBO turns the ball over on doubles. Mardy’s passes suck wind. Stephen Jackson help defense is serviceable, but that means he leaves a man open when he sneaks behind the bigs. Lazy free throw shooting.

Sorry guys, Zeke is not exhibiting control of his team and his team is exhibiting no pride and lots of fear. They are playing as though they are waiting for the big hammer on somebody.

Randolph lost the ball again. Ridiculous. Zeke should just let them jack it up at this point.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

Until we play a real SF, we will continue to get beat like this. I love Q, but he is not a SF. He is strong enough, but not tall enough to guard most SFs.

New Yorkers are acting like sheep right now.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

Still if they get a win in Detroit tomorrow—-ALL IS FORGIVEN!!!

THE KNICKS NEED A WIN—THIS BLEEDING HAS TO STOP!!!!!!!!

THE FANS ARE HURTING(probably more than the players—and that’s a shame)

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

Defenders, brace yourselves..

It’s gonna be UGLY in the papers tomorrow.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007

Statesman, I am sorry. If after a year and an amalgamation of talent that I am passing off as a final post-seaso product, I hae a team with no heart, then I have lost my team. It may not have been my fault; they are grown men. But they clearly do not have the tenacity and the belief in themselves that a playoff team has. This is unacceptable.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

It used to hurt, its crazy now that I can take the loss…..I guess cause I can accept them doing a big change now!

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Bronx,

The guys were tight right at the start. The boos started with Marbury immediately. they just lost 5 straight. Real fans would not boo their team coming off of a 5 game losing streak. No support at home. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a east-coast trip.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

Dolan doesn’t know shit about basketball. If he listens to the media and itchy trigger finger fans to make them happy, he’s the biggest loser in the history of sports.

Denver, Phoenix and GS

ain’t nothing new. That’s the type of team. I said last year and I’ll keep saying it. They have trouble with the fast break teams. As do a lot of teams.

Plus, their biggest acquisition, ZBO, does nothing to address that.

What do they need?

A big who can play uptempo and play defense uptempo. A Sean Williams. A Camby. An Amare.

Basically, they need a PF who can masquerade as a Center.

They DON’T NEED TO FIRE ISIAH, they need to find an UPTEMPO PF/C.

Until they find that PF/C, they are going to have problems keeping players from finishing in the paint. Curry has no shot blocking ability. ZBo has no hops. Balk’s too skinny. Jeffries isn’t quick enough or rugged enough. Morris is too slow.

plain and simple.

By BARF on Nov 20, 2007

Isiah has to go guys..

He can’t cut it in NY

By DaVonn Jefferson on Nov 20, 2007

Who can play basketball in this circus? They are mentally beat right now. Booing from the start, booing all the first quarter. IT DOES AFFECT THE TEAM.

Comment by HarleminMD — November 20, 2007 @ 9:48 pm

I hear you, bro!

BUT THIS US NEW YORK—-don’t be sissy and cry—MAN UP!!! I bet they become men when they cash that fat pay check!!

The fans pays to see these guys!!! They do have the RIGHT to be mad! I know I would be if paid money on the game.

The knicks right now should be paying us fans!!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

BUT THIS IS NEW YORK

correction noted

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

It happens all the time in New York. It happened with the Mets. It happened with the Giants. New York is a tough place to play. Clyde is saying you have to just do your job, but he also said earlier that the players do hear the boos and it hurts.

Clyde got booed and he won 2 championships.

Just dumb.

LGK

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

BARF,

GS shocked Dallas because Dallas had no inside presence. GS turned them into a running jump shooting team and GS was much better at it. Avery was outcoached; he coached reactively to what Nelson was doing. Small ball has been successful in regular season for a long time, but small ball with no defense has never won a Championship.

GS may be your second favorite team but as their record indicates they are imminently beatable. Crazy.

What does DaVonn say terrible. Have you ever seen Zeke shake his knees like that while on the bench. DEAD MAN WALKING, because of the team he hasn’t lost. Unconscionable.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

Stephen Jackson killed us in the 3rd quarter.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

Detroit is a less winnable game than this one. The Knicks can’t do a thing with Tashaun Prince. Rasheed Wallace negates whoever he guards, ZBO or Curry. They have chemistry. Chauncey to Rip off the curl is butter. Guards will trail him all night because they supposedly played (lies) the night before. Unconscionable.

Yeah Anti, with that type of performance the players need to give the TV viewers some money back too.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

Anti,

Even Ewing played tight because of the boos. He tried to man up, but the extra pressure just caused him to miss free throws late, have a finger roll rim off, etc.

That’s why all the opponents that come to MSG look like worldbeaters. The crowd jumps on the home team to quickly.

We have a young team that needs support man.

Stephon is the lifeless one out there. I’m sure Isiah wants to suit up. You can’t coach the killer instinct, the “f*ck y’all” attitude that the Knicks need out there.

By HarleminMD on Nov 20, 2007

Even Isiah Thomas didnt want to coach this team he created.

He’s a good GENERAL MANAGER—-and I have no QUALMS about that!!!!

By Anti-NYSportsNews on Nov 20, 2007

I’m not being nice about this shit. Be men. Buckle down. Earn your money. Stop mopping like babies. Play some ball. Stop missing those freakin’ easy shots. Marbury came to play. Crawford and QRich show little value in this system. What happened to the mixture of penetration and posting. Are Steph and Nate the only one’s who can drive to the basket? Mardy, what the hell were you doing. Lazy ass passes. Not just one; multiple lazy passes and you’re supposed to be the best entry passer on the team. How dare you embarass yourself and Zeke like that.

By Lives In New Jersey, Loves New York on Nov 20, 2007

exactly not hutsle, its like they dont come to play hard. Cant even make the easy shots…this team needs a change straight up!

By Knicksome on Nov 20, 2007

Harlem,

“Real fans would not boo their team coming off of a 5 game losing streak”.

You’re joking, right????

We they supposed to come home to a hero’s welcome?

I think not.

They should’ve expected the reaction they received from the fans.

Cause they deserved every boo they recieved.

As Anti so eloquently put it…they need to “man up”, dammit….

And if they don’t like the boos, play like it, and they’ll stop.

You gotta earn your keep in NYC.

By bronxboy in Md on Nov 20, 2007